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19:50:17 <PWinstanley> chair: PWinstanley
19:50:28 <PWinstanley> meeting: DXWG weekly plenary
19:51:19 <PWinstanley> regrets+ Antoine
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19:51:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/06/04-dxwg-minutes.html PWinstanley
19:51:54 <PWinstanley> present+
19:51:59 <PWinstanley> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.06.04
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19:52:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/06/04-dxwg-minutes.html PWinstanley
19:53:00 <PWinstanley> agenda - https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.06.04
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20:11:15 <kcoyle> scribenick: kcoyle
20:11:29 <kcoyle> Topic: Admin
20:11:32 <DaveBrowning> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
20:11:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/06/04-dxwg-minutes.html DaveBrowning
20:11:41 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: minutes of previous meeting
20:11:42 <AndreaPerego> https://www.w3.org/2019/05/28-dxwg-minutes
20:11:43 <PWinstanley> proposed: accept https://www.w3.org/2019/05/28-dxwg-minutes
20:11:46 <alejandra> +1
20:11:50 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:11:52 <PWinstanley> +1
20:11:54 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:11:56 <kcoyle> 0 (not here)
20:12:02 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:12:11 <kcoyle> resolved: accept https://www.w3.org/2019/05/28-dxwg-minutes
20:12:12 <alejandra> ?q
20:12:14 <PWinstanley> resolved: accept https://www.w3.org/2019/05/28-dxwg-minutes
20:12:21 <alejandra> q?
20:13:06 <alejandra> s/q?//
20:13:13 <kcoyle> alejandra: minutes looked empty - was wrong link
20:13:27 <alejandra> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
20:13:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/06/04-dxwg-minutes.html alejandra
20:13:48 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
20:13:48 <kcoyle> Topic: open actions
20:14:19 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: 314 for Lars; 337 for Rob - can't deal with today
20:14:39 <kcoyle> ... to subgroups to get rid of open actions if done
20:15:24 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: first thing - have put in request for 6 month extension so that we can get DCAT and Conneg completed
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20:15:49 <kcoyle> ... other question, tho', is whether to continue profiles work
20:16:15 <kcoyle> ... some mandatory work due for profiles because some interaction between conneg and profiles, mainly
20:16:18 <kcoyle> ... profiles definition
20:16:21 <annette_g> present+
20:16:55 <kcoyle> ... do we think we could continue on those two without detriment to DCAT and Conneg?
20:17:07 <kcoyle> ... at least a starter on the profiles recommendation
20:17:28 <kcoyle> ... this connects with idea of evergreen standards and chartering for smaller amounts of time
20:17:44 <kcoyle> ... could this be useful?
20:17:50 <PWinstanley> q?
20:18:24 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: chatted to Antoine who agrees that there is an opportunity to do a bit more that will support conneg
20:18:36 <annette_g> q+
20:18:39 <kcoyle> ... could be a bare bones intro to profiles
20:18:41 <PWinstanley> ack annette_g
20:19:09 <kcoyle> annette_g: I agree with idea to put more effort into that because people often have a different idea of what is meant by profile
20:19:12 <DaveBrowning> q+
20:19:15 <kcoyle> ... we should give our definition
20:19:22 <alejandra> q+
20:19:52 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: DCAT for wide review is getting comments about what profile means
20:20:05 <PWinstanley> ack DaveBrowning
20:20:32 <kcoyle> DaveBrowning: I agree with Annette; more than the slim line spec would be great. Hard to tell how much more can be done within the time
20:21:01 <kcoyle> ... concern - how this can be a recommendation. How can we get implementation evidence? And what does that mean?
20:21:35 <kcoyle> ... kind of working backward, always thinking about what it means to show implementation
20:21:44 <kcoyle> ... it's a process issue
20:22:01 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
20:22:01 <kcoyle> ... assuming this is intended to be a recommendation
20:22:32 <kcoyle> alejandra: I agree with those comments, esp. the guidance document. We also need a dcat primer
20:22:47 <kcoyle> ... We have collected examples for DCAT
20:22:58 <DaveBrowning> +1 on the primer
20:23:15 <kcoyle> ... We still have many un-addressed comments for DCAT; perhaps we should work on those? What's the right balance
20:23:22 <kcoyle> ... between DCAT and these other documents?
20:23:27 <PWinstanley> q?
20:23:40 <kcoyle> q+
20:23:52 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
20:23:58 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:24:12 <alejandra> kcoyle: I'm wondering if the guidance document could be a note rather than a recommendation
20:24:15 <alejandra> +1 to note
20:24:23 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: I'm wondering if the guidance doc couldn't be a note rather than a recommendation, because we don't have time for implementation evidence
20:24:31 <PWinstanley> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:24:41 <DaveBrowning> Agree re note.
20:24:45 <AndreaPerego> Same here
20:24:46 <alejandra> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
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20:24:54 <kcoyle> riccardoAlbertoni: I agree with kcoyle but it may be better to be safe and limit to a note rather than a recommendation
20:25:15 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: we can get enough material for a note from the definition
20:25:33 <kcoyle> ... we've already talked about this extensively
20:25:54 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:25:54 <kcoyle> ... that may give time to return to something like versioning in DCAT
20:25:57 <PWinstanley> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:26:32 <kcoyle> riccardoAlbertoni: If we add new features to DCAT that may interfere with candidate recommendation process
20:27:18 <kcoyle> ... we can take the opportunity
20:27:38 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: we've talked about primer, about note for recommendation document;
20:27:51 <kcoyle> ... we need to firm up what we can do in these 6 months
20:28:16 <kcoyle> ... we need proposals; but we are thin on membership participation
20:28:32 <annette_g> q+
20:28:34 <kcoyle> ... could ask for sense of whether folks feel ok about going for a note
20:28:35 <PWinstanley> ack annette_g
20:28:41 <alejandra> q+
20:28:54 <kcoyle> annette_g: charter lists that as rec track deliverable
20:29:03 <kcoyle> ... can we change it to note?
20:29:13 <kcoyle> ... rec track doesn't seem to be better
20:29:14 <alejandra> q-
20:29:35 <kcoyle> ... it doesn't seem to be something that is implementable
20:30:28 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: discussion with Philippe in past, he goes with how the work looks - it can be a recommendation or a note
20:30:40 <kcoyle> ... depending on the content
20:30:57 <kcoyle> +1 - it seems to be quite flexible
20:31:10 <alejandra> +1 to work on it and decide later
20:31:15 <annette_g> +1
20:31:18 <kcoyle> +1
20:31:19 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:31:30 <kcoyle> +1 to leave it and figure out as we go along
20:31:33 <DaveBrowning> +1 but not too much later....<smile>
20:31:43 <kcoyle> topic: DCAT progress
20:32:12 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: have written to chairs of various international, privacy, shapes groups, etc etc etc
20:32:39 <kcoyle> ... requesting wide review, preferably by end of June
20:33:19 <kcoyle> ... have had some acknowledgements; ODRL has already given a response
20:34:17 <kcoyle> DaveBrowning: a few things to do for CR but not big stuff, mainly paperwork; this waits on wider feedback
20:34:53 <kcoyle> ... in implementation evidence space, G spreadsheet where info is being gathered
20:35:37 <kcoyle> ... not a whole lot of pressure
20:36:08 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: remember to log, track and respond to all comments that come in
20:36:41 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: spreadsheet to collect implementation evidence; compares to previous version
20:36:55 <kcoyle> ... need more people to fill in what they know
20:37:38 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: in terms of wide publicity, action on me to check if W3C will automatically publicize the drafts
20:38:07 <kcoyle> ... but they do not, so with Alejandra and Lars I have put together a small blog post which has been submitted to Philippe
20:38:42 <kcoyle> ... hard to get folks to comment on working drafts so more publicity may help
20:39:02 <kcoyle> link to the spreedsheet andrea was referring to ... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eEVUuPFAGO2GjS5ocxylY8T1AlpqlwnOTc3er_Mhcv4/
20:39:56 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: W3C used to post a tweet from their account
20:40:35 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: W3C replies that there are groups doing draft releases very frequently so they seem to have dropped automatic publicity
20:40:55 <kcoyle> ... draft has been given to Philippe and DaveR
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20:41:31 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: Anything else?
20:41:46 <kcoyle> ... will DCAT group reduce frequency of meetings?
20:42:00 <kcoyle> DaveBrowning: Haven't decided that but it will probably happen
20:42:31 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: in that case the plenary could take on some of that
20:43:03 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:43:10 <PWinstanley> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:43:37 <kcoyle> riccardoAlbertoni: Yes, agree to opportunity to discuss in plenary as a way to move things along
20:43:51 <DaveBrowning> q+
20:43:56 <PWinstanley> ack DaveBrowning
20:44:19 <kcoyle> DaveBrowning: Makes sense, DCAT group can still meet on ad hoc basis
20:44:58 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1  to DaveBrowning about having DCAT subgroup when we needed to discuss specific issues  ..
20:45:16 <alejandra> q+
20:45:20 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
20:45:57 <kcoyle> alejandra: has anyone stepped in for dave for tomorrow?
20:46:35 <kcoyle> DaveBrowning: we could move that meeting back if no one can chair
20:46:51 <DaveBrowning> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
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20:47:04 <annette_g> bye all!
20:47:07 <riccardoAlbertoni> bye !
20:47:08 <PWinstanley> bye
20:47:12 <DaveBrowning> bye!
20:47:12 <alejandra> thanks, and bye!
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