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19:52:29 <trackbot> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
19:52:29 <trackbot> Date: 22 May 2019
19:52:59 <DaveBrowning> meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference 22 May 2019 20:00 UTC
19:53:00 <DaveBrowning> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2019.05.22
19:53:50 <DaveBrowning> regrets: Alasdair Gray, Erik Mannens, Thomas D'Haenens, Lars Svensson, Makx, PWinstanley
19:54:03 <DaveBrowning> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
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19:55:15 <DaveBrowning> present+
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20:05:22 <riccardoAlbertoni> present+
20:09:52 <SimonCox> present+
20:09:57 <DaveBrowning> regrets+ Alejandra
20:10:06 <DaveBrowning> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
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20:10:27 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:10:47 <DaveBrowning> chair: DaveBrowning
20:10:53 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:12:07 <AndreaPerego> present+
20:12:13 <SimonCox> scribe: SimonCox
20:12:20 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
20:12:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/05/22-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:12:22 <SimonCox> scribenick: SimonCox
20:12:34 <SimonCox> Topic: minutes of last meeting
20:12:42 <SimonCox> https://www.w3.org/2019/05/15-dxwgdcat-minutes
20:12:42 <DaveBrowning> https://www.w3.org/2019/05/08-dxwgdcat-minutes
20:12:52 <DaveBrowning> s/https://www.w3.org/2019/05/08-dxwgdcat-minutes//
20:12:53 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:12:57 <SimonCox> +1
20:13:00 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:13:03 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:13:09 <SimonCox> Resolved: approve minutes of last meeting
20:13:22 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:13:29 <SimonCox> Topic: Topics arising from plenary
20:15:00 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: plh explains that we need to have 'wide consultation' with community groups
20:17:11 <SimonCox> ... list from charter. Pwin has taken on the task of contacting the CG chairs.
20:17:38 <SimonCox> Action: DaveBrowning to update action in the tracker to reflect the fact that pwin will do it
20:17:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-332 - Update action in the tracker to reflect the fact that pwin will do it [on David Browning - due 2019-05-29].
20:17:42 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:18:29 <SimonCox> actions from yesterday's plenary - https://www.w3.org/2019/05/21-dxwg-minutes#ActionSummary
20:19:12 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
20:19:17 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: 4-6 weeks to allow for feedback. This would exhaust the charter. Plenary agreed to request 6 month extension.
20:19:23 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: which CGs?
20:19:41 <SimonCox> List from plh - Internationalization, Privacy, Security, Shape Expressions CG, SHACL Community Group, schema.org for datasets Community Group, ODRL Community Group, European Commission's ISA Programme, Research Data Alliance, and bioCADDIE WG 3.
20:20:17 <SimonCox> TomB indicated that ShEx would be interested to receive request for review
20:20:42 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q to ask if  in the six month extension we are expected to update the DCAT CR or just finishing the process to get the rec
20:21:10 <riccardoAlbertoni> s/month/months
20:22:13 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: 1. ShEx 2. Internationalization 3. Security
20:22:27 <SimonCox> ... are the only groups that we need to show evidence of consultation
20:22:47 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: also 4. ODRL
20:23:01 <DaveBrowning> q?
20:23:05 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:23:05 <Zakim> riccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to ask if  in the six month extension we are expected to update the DCAT CR or just finishing the process to get the rec
20:23:15 <SimonCox> Action: DaveBrowning to confirm with pwin which groups we beleive we have to consult
20:23:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-333 - Confirm with pwin which groups we beleive we have to consult [on David Browning - due 2019-05-29].
20:23:35 <SimonCox> riccardoAlbertoni: unclear what next steps
20:24:11 <SimonCox> Another PWD to support wide consultation efficiency
20:26:14 <SimonCox> riccardoAlbertoni: can use GitHub comments to show that we have received external review
20:27:47 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: purpose of 6-month extension is to allow for (a) hiatus during northern summer (b) need to develop implementation evidence for DCAT (c) but mostly to provide breathing room for Profiles work
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20:28:46 <AndreaPerego> q+ to ask if https://www.w3.org/community/hclscg/ is the same of bioCADDIE
20:28:57 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
20:28:57 <Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to ask if https://www.w3.org/community/hclscg/ is the same of bioCADDIE
20:29:27 <SimonCox> Need to check with alejandra I think
20:29:48 <SimonCox> action: PWinstanley to organize wide review of DCAT
20:29:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-334 - Organize wide review of dcat [on Peter Winstanley - due 2019-05-29].
20:30:37 <SimonCox> Topic: wrapping up the current PWD
20:31:44 <SimonCox> pwin did some work on https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/913 but appears to have stalled or been overtaken ..
20:31:51 <AndreaPerego> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/939
20:32:41 <SimonCox> q+
20:32:46 <DaveBrowning> q?
20:33:18 <DaveBrowning> ack SimonCox
20:34:10 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to have version 2 ( I think it is more understandable to a large audience)
20:36:59 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to put version in the title ... and  the future no one can see ..
20:37:55 <SimonCox> 1. evergreen rec means that 'version N' will be appropriate 2. subtitle does not currently appear in specref - move 'Version 2' into main title so that there is no confusion in specref references now.
20:38:19 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: doing PR now.
20:40:05 <DaveBrowning> profile def  https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/937
20:40:51 <SimonCox> topic: definition of 'Profile'
20:40:58 <riccardoAlbertoni> we gave  a definition of DCAT profile
20:41:20 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:41:27 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
20:41:31 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: if profiles documents are not complete, we don't have an external definition of profile to refer to
20:42:22 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: inconsistent terminology - colleagues cannot tell if 'DCAT Profile' == 'Application Profile' == 'Profile'
20:42:42 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:43:22 <SimonCox> ... and there is no Profile guidance document to provide definition
20:43:28 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/937#issuecomment-494436750
20:43:52 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: we already have definition in conformance section
20:44:17 <SimonCox> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#conformance
20:44:29 <SimonCox> ... carried through from DCAT 2014
20:46:05 <SimonCox> actually it was tweaked a bit - compare with https://www.w3.org/TR/2014/REC-vocab-dcat-20140116/#conformance
20:46:53 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: perhaps we should be more consistent in use of 'DCAT Profile' vs 'Application Profile'
20:47:22 <SimonCox> riccardoAlbertoni: I think we mean the same thing.
20:48:42 <SimonCox> q+
20:49:19 <SimonCox> q+ to suggest a adding a clarifying sentence to conformance section, then use DCAT Profile consistently in this document thereafter
20:49:48 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
20:50:51 <SimonCox> riccardoAlbertoni: propose to replace 'Application Profile' with 'Profile' except where we are referring to something where 'Application Profile' is in its name.
20:51:16 <DaveBrowning> ack SimonCox
20:51:16 <Zakim> SimonCox, you wanted to suggest a adding a clarifying sentence to conformance section, then use DCAT Profile consistently in this document thereafter
20:51:48 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to add also the note .. .
20:53:15 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: use 'application profile' in two ways in text - 1. extending DCAT classes and propertie 2. in section https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#profiles
20:55:19 <SimonCox> Proposed: note in conformance section should say something close to 'when we say DCAT Profile we mean things that the Dublin Core community would call Application Profiles (in the context of DCAT)'
20:55:35 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:55:39 <DaveBrowning> s/use '/do use '/
20:55:39 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:55:41 <SimonCox> +1
20:55:41 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:56:04 <SimonCox> resolved: add note in conformance section should say something close to 'when we say DCAT Profile we mean things that the Dublin Core community would call Application Profiles (in the context of DCAT)'
20:56:27 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:56:30 <SimonCox> Action: andrea to make ed change adding note to definition of DCAT Profile
20:56:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-335 - Make ed change adding note to definition of dcat profile [on Andrea Perego - due 2019-05-29].
20:56:33 <AndreaPerego> Re. the subtitle issue, this is the relevant PR: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/940
20:56:36 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
20:57:31 <DaveBrowning> rssagent, draft minutes v2
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