15:02:05 RRSAgent has joined #tt 15:02:05 logging to https://www.w3.org/2019/05/16-tt-irc 15:02:07 RRSAgent, make logs public 15:02:07 Zakim has joined #tt 15:02:09 Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference 15:02:09 Date: 16 May 2019 15:02:13 Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/38 15:02:20 Log: https://www.w3.org/2019/05/16-tt-irc 15:03:53 glenn has joined #tt 15:04:04 Regrets: Thierry, Pierre, Cyril, Gary 15:10:34 Present: Philippe, Andreas, Glenn, Nigel 15:10:37 Chair: Nigel 15:10:39 scribe: nigel 15:10:54 Topic: This meeting 15:11:28 Glenn: I'd like to talk about the schedule for the Charter, and I have to leave at the half hour. 15:11:40 .. I don't think we can have any technical discussions today given the lack of participants. 15:11:44 atai2 has joined #tt 15:11:48 Philippe: I can update on the Charter. 15:12:31 Nigel: I was hoping to discuss ttml2#1054. 15:12:36 Glenn: Fragment ID URLs? 15:12:38 Nigel: yes 15:13:11 Glenn: I have some work in progress to complete before I can take that any further. 15:13:50 Nigel: Given the attendees it seems like we should discuss Charter. 15:14:33 .. We can't cover WebVTT without Gary. Any AOB? 15:14:52 group: no AOB 15:14:59 Topic: Charter renewal 15:15:16 Nigel: I suggest a status update from Philippe first. 15:15:27 Philippe: [work in progress] 15:16:23 .. not gone to W3M yet. Has been circulated for horizontal cross-review. 15:16:31 .. There is a small tweak to make, nothing major. 15:17:04 Glenn: I've raised my concern previously about the dates for TTML2 2nd Ed and TTML3. I think its impossible 15:17:18 .. to resolve 50 issues on TTML2 between now and June 1 when we're expecting FPWD. 15:17:33 .. My suggestion is to push out those dates by 1 year compared to the current Charter draft. 15:17:39 .. The current dates are not going to happen. 15:18:00 .. Unless we defer some issues to 3rd Ed. 15:18:35 q+ 15:19:05 Nigel: I would like to separate TTML3 from TTML2 for this, and I think there's less of a drive for TTML3. 15:19:28 .. I would like to do what we said we'd do before and set a timetable for TTML2 2nd Ed and resolve the issues we can 15:19:37 .. within that timescale and defer the remainder. 15:20:00 Glenn: I agree about separating the timelines for TTML2 2nd Ed and TTML3. 15:20:04 q? 15:20:28 .. But I still think we should delay 2nd Ed. It is feasible to meet an April 1 Rec date but no way by the end of the year. 15:20:43 Nigel: I would say March 31 is the absolute latest. 15:20:48 https://w3c.github.io/charter-timed-text/ 15:20:55 Philippe: I don't see any timeline in the proposed Charter. Am I missing something? 15:21:56 Nigel: I agree, there's a link to the group publication status page. 15:22:01 Philippe: Which is great. 15:22:10 Glenn: We can update that without changing the Charter, right? 15:22:18 Philippe: Correct. It would be good to have realistic timelines. 15:22:26 Glenn: I'm all for having no dates in the Charter. 15:22:57 Philippe: At some point we might want to switch to Evergreen, the proposal to do Living Standards at W3C. 15:23:06 .. It's only a proposal, not part of the process. 15:23:33 Nigel: Glenn, it seems like your concerns are addressed? 15:23:43 Glenn: Right, I have no problems with the draft Charter as it is. 15:23:54 Philippe: The publication page has no milestones in it yet either. 15:25:13 Philippe: I hope to get it to W3M by end of May. I would like to wrap up on WebVTT too, so if we can move it to PR 15:25:47 .. then my story would be better. I would hate to revise the Charter without WebVTT moving to PR. That needs Gary 15:25:50 .. to have that conversation. 15:26:42 Nigel: At this stage I don't think we have enough input materials in terms of the implementation report to make a 15:26:47 .. decision about moving to PR. 15:27:01 Philippe: I suggest you mention what you need from Gary to move ahead. 15:27:03 Nigel: Yes. 15:27:30 Philippe: I want to do the minimum to declare victory here and make WebVTT a Rec and move on because whether 15:27:44 .. we like it or not it is part of the web, and not making it a Recommendation will not make it go away. 15:30:54 Nigel: OK, as long as we're within the requirements of the Process. I just haven't seen the documentation that says 15:31:07 .. all the non-at-risk features are implemented. When we have that I'm sure we can move ahead. 15:31:10 Topic: Meeting close 15:31:27 Nigel: Given the attendance, and that Glenn has to drop off the call now, and that we have no more agenda topics 15:31:47 .. to cover, let's adjourn a little earlier than planned today. Thanks everyone, apologies again for the late start from me. 15:31:52 .. [adjourns meeting[ 15:32:01 rrsagent, make minutes 15:32:01 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/05/16-tt-minutes.html nigel 15:50:32 scribeOptions: -final -noEmbedDiagnostics 15:50:33 rrsagent, 15:50:33 I'm logging. I don't understand '', nigel. Try /msg RRSAgent help 15:50:45 rrsagent, make minutes 15:50:45 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/05/16-tt-minutes.html nigel 15:51:09 s/g[/g] 15:51:11 rrsagent, make minutes 15:51:11 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/05/16-tt-minutes.html nigel 17:21:29 Zakim has left #tt