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11:56:52 <trackbot> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
11:56:52 <trackbot> Date: 16 May 2019
11:57:15 <LarsG> Meeting: DXWG CNEG Subgroup Meeting
11:57:20 <LarsG> present+
11:57:51 <LarsG> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:CNEG-Telecon2019.05.16
11:58:00 <LarsG> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
11:58:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/05/16-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG
11:58:25 <LarsG> RRSAgent, please make logs public
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12:03:52 <roba> present+
12:03:57 <ncar> present+
12:04:27 <ncar> scribe: ncar
12:04:33 <ncar> chair: LarsG
12:04:44 <LarsG> Topic: Confirm agenda
12:04:51 <LarsG> Chair: LarsG
12:04:54 <ncar> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:CNEG-Telecon2019.05.16
12:05:04 <LarsG> +1
12:05:27 <ncar> +1
12:05:31 <roba> +1
12:05:34 <LarsG> Topic: Approve minutes from last meeting
12:05:42 <LarsG> https://www.w3.org/2019/05/09-dxwgcneg-minutes
12:05:50 <LarsG> +1
12:06:19 <roba> +1
12:06:23 <ncar> +1
12:06:29 <LarsG> RESOLVED: Approve minutes from last meeting
12:06:44 <LarsG> Topic: List of open action items
12:06:51 <LarsG> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/products/4
12:07:47 <ncar> roba: no action on ACTION-193 yet
12:08:05 <ncar> LarsG: ACTION-325 & ACTION-326 missing
12:08:09 <LarsG> action-325?
12:08:09 <trackbot> action-325 -- Nicholas Car to Contact roba regarding action-193 and jmeter tests -- due 2019-05-09 -- OPEN
12:08:09 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/325
12:09:05 <ncar> Peter WS has put in ACTION-327 for conneg subgroup
12:09:42 <ncar> LarsG ACTUONB 325, 326 & 327
12:10:36 <ncar> s/ACTUONB/ACTION
12:11:07 <LarsG> ncar: we've talked about action-325
12:11:16 <ncar> LarsG: can close ACTION-325 sicne roba is discussing ACTION-193 here
12:11:37 <LarsG> action-326?
12:11:37 <trackbot> action-326 -- Lars G. Svensson to Write proposal in #785 regarding how to handle multiple dimensions in link headers -- due 2019-05-16 -- OPEN
12:11:37 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/326
12:13:19 <ncar> LarsG: discussing ACTION-326 and Issue 785 - my conclusion is we need to include cartesion product of Media Type & Profile in Link headers to avoid repeated HTTP 406 failures
12:13:31 <ncar> roba: I don't think this will scale well
12:14:14 <ncar> LarsG: old IETF RFC for profile conneg contained cartesian products but new one does't
12:14:47 <ncar> * I can hear you fine
12:14:57 <ncar> * trying new mic
12:15:47 <ncar> * I can still hear you fine
12:16:37 <ncar> roba: we should only say true things and if we do't say something - like no listing Media Type - we shoudl consider it true
12:16:56 <ncar> roba: if a profile is unqualifid with a MT list, it should be true for them
12:18:25 <ncar> * it seems you still can't hear me
12:28:21 <ncar> https://w3id.org/mediatype/text/html&_view=alternates
12:32:03 <ncar> roba: we can either deliver sparse info or cartesian product as long as you don't make a false MT/Profile combo claim
12:32:21 <ncar> LarsG: options for communicating this makes clients harder to make
12:32:38 <ncar> roba: still, this isn't a hard client function
12:34:56 <LarsG> ncar: if we offer two options, we're only pushing the issue further down
12:35:25 <LarsG> s/if we offer two options/if we don't take a stance/
12:36:20 <LarsG> roba: if the client has to evaluate the cartesian product it's harder to
12:36:35 <ncar> http://ldapi.ga.gov.au/sss/sample/AU239?_view=alternates
12:36:36 <LarsG> ... build a page from it (grouping similar items)
12:37:00 <LarsG> ncar: this page has eight views and five formats
12:37:16 <LarsG> ... roba's example would compress that significantly
12:38:24 <LarsG> ... would like to put some more examples into the issue
12:38:33 <LarsG> ... so that we can take a stance
12:40:04 <ncar> roba: if I support multiple DCAT-APs, do I list all the profiles, since they are in a hierarchy?
12:40:55 <LarsG> ncar: we haven't decided on that yet, but we're assuming that both parties
12:41:00 <LarsG> ... know about the hierarchy
12:41:11 <LarsG> roba: that's a bold assumption
12:42:26 <LarsG> ncar: #785 depends on profile hierarchies. Will create new issue
12:43:29 <LarsG> Topic: PWD2 - W3C publicity
12:43:46 <LarsG> Peter has drafted an email text that we can send
12:44:00 <LarsG> Topic: Tom Baker's comments
12:44:16 <LarsG> roba: not inconsistent with our work, but we need to review it line by line
12:44:31 <LarsG> ... most seems to be dealt with
12:44:48 <LarsG> ... the second issue (definition of constraint) is something we need to think about
12:45:18 <LarsG> ... we should raise an issue to discuss that
12:46:01 <LarsG> ... any specification can take the role of a profile
12:46:01 <ncar> Issue 932 created for problem of all-profiles representation as mentioned regarding 785 above
12:47:46 <LarsG> ACTION: roba to draft replies to Tom's email in a new GH issue
12:47:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-328 - Draft replies to tom's email in a new gh issue [on Rob Atkinson - due 2019-05-23].
12:48:28 <LarsG> s/Peter has drafted an email text that we can send/ncar: Peter has drafted an email text that we can send/
12:49:17 <LarsG> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
12:49:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/05/16-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG
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