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15:00:46 <dauwhe> Meeting: Publishing Business Group Steering Commitee
15:00:46 <jeff> jeff has joined #pbgsc
15:00:54 <dauwhe> Date: 3 May 2019
15:01:04 <dauwhe> Chair: Daihei
15:01:07 <Bill_Kasdorf> Bill_Kasdorf has joined #pbgsc
15:01:11 <jeff> present+
15:01:16 <dauwhe> present+
15:01:22 <Bill_Kasdorf> present+
15:01:33 <ivan> rrsagent, set log public
15:01:35 <Bill_Kasdorf> No sound on the GTM yet. . . .
15:01:56 <ivan> present+
15:02:01 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
15:02:16 <Bill_Kasdorf> thanks, got it!
15:02:35 <Bill_Kasdorf> I could use the time. . . .
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15:05:35 <Bill_Kasdorf> which government?
15:05:37 <garth> (not the US government!)
15:05:56 <garth> One of those countries where it’s dark in the winter!
15:07:39 <jeff> q+
15:08:20 <dauwhe> jeff: PWG is meeting in our fair city next week
15:08:48 <dauwhe> ... is there anyone who has input for the meeting; topics they want covered?
15:08:57 <dauwhe> ack jeff
15:09:10 <garth> q?
15:09:11 <dauwhe> ivan: we have a session on the second day which covers the BG and the CG
15:10:02 <jeff> q+
15:10:16 <dauwhe> dauwhe: both CG and BG approved EPUB 3.2 publication; 50-0 in CG and 24-0 in BG
15:10:19 <dauwhe> ack jeff
15:10:51 <dauwhe> jeff: I recall from the last call there was a bit of a rush to get this properly announced quickly, and then to get IPR committments
15:11:00 <dauwhe> ... are those actions defined and underway?
15:11:18 <dauwhe> ... was there an email about this?
15:11:56 <Bill_Kasdorf> wasn't the vote the call for consensus? Or are we talking about the formal publication?
15:12:13 <dauwhe> dauwhe: there hasn't been an email yet about the result of the calls for consensus.
15:12:25 <Bill_Kasdorf> Ah, thanks
15:12:25 <dauwhe> ... a formal announcement depends on having the final URLs for the publication of the spec
15:12:48 <dauwhe> ... and note that EPUBCheck supporting EPUB 3.2 was released in final form a few weeks ago
15:12:59 <dauwhe> ivan: I can set up to redirections
15:13:32 <dauwhe> dauwhe: MattG, Ivan, and I can sort all this out next week as we will be in Cambridge
15:14:27 <dauwhe> dauwhe: I'm deferring to the BG as a whole on the marketing strategy, announcements/publicity, etc.
15:15:14 <dauwhe> dauwhe: And I would note that at least some people want us to collect testimonials in support of EPUB 3.2
15:15:25 <dauwhe> ivan: what do you mean by we? who collects them?
15:15:45 <dauwhe> garth: we is the BG
15:16:45 <dauwhe> garth: press and endorsements does seem a BG-type responsibility to me
15:17:07 <Daihei> q+
15:17:11 <dauwhe> ivan: we can assign to the BG :)
15:17:16 <dauwhe> ack daih
15:17:39 <dauwhe> Daihei: as far as Japan and Taiwan are concerned, I can send out a message to request testimonials from publishers, etc.
15:17:44 <dauwhe> ... is there a template?
15:17:57 <dauwhe> ivan: On the last BG call, the same question came up
15:18:06 <dauwhe> ... I put up a set of example testimonials
15:18:07 <jeff> q+
15:18:22 <dauwhe> Daihei: I will ask people. What's the timing?
15:18:23 <dauwhe> ack jef
15:18:33 <dauwhe> ivan: I don't think there's a deadline
15:18:46 <dauwhe> ... having testimonials while announcing is good; others can be added later
15:18:51 <dauwhe> ... that's my personal view
15:18:55 <dauwhe> ... it's a BG question
15:18:55 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:19:03 <jeff> q+
15:19:19 <dauwhe> Daihei: So Luc is on vacation, and Liisa is still recovering, so I will exchange thoughts with co-chairs
15:19:37 <dauwhe> ... And I will request this from east asian members
15:19:38 <dauwhe> q+
15:20:13 <dauwhe> jeff: every interaction is a possibility to improve engagement
15:20:28 <dauwhe> ... I'm concerned that we have not made our value clear enough to Japanese publishers
15:20:47 <dauwhe> ... we should also use that as an opportunity to remind them of ongoing work in PWG, for example,
15:20:57 <dauwhe> ... and to learn from them what their priorities are
15:21:07 <dauwhe> ... so we can bring those up in the appropriate group
15:21:09 <dauwhe> Daihei: OK
15:21:12 <dauwhe> ack Bill
15:21:16 <jeff> q-
15:21:48 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: if, next week in Cambridge, you get a timeline for the announcement, a deadline is useful for testimonials, as it provides a PR opportunity
15:21:58 <dauwhe> ivan: I agree
15:22:28 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: I was talking to an STM group in Japan last week, with Springer, T&F, Wiley, etc.
15:22:41 <dauwhe> ... this was a prominent part of my talk to them
15:22:51 <dauwhe> ... so I now have relationships with those individuals
15:23:02 <dauwhe> Daihei: if its ok with you, can you give me the list of your contacts?
15:23:14 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: they might be more responsive if they get something from me
15:23:25 <dauwhe> Daihei: I could do something that's bilingual
15:23:36 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: I don't know if the T&F person speaks Japanese
15:23:47 <dauwhe> ... I can copy you on it, and identify you as co-chair
15:23:57 <dauwhe> ... and they might not do the endorsing themselves
15:24:02 <dauwhe> Daihei: no problem
15:24:12 <dauwhe> q?
15:24:52 <dauwhe> dauwhe: the type of testimonial I'm most interested in is support from reading systems for ingesting EPUB 3.2 and using EPUBCheck 4.2
15:24:55 <dauwhe> q?
15:25:04 <dauwhe> ack dau
15:25:27 <dauwhe> dauwhe: is the end of May a reasonable deadline for testimonials?
15:25:31 <dauwhe> ivan: that should be enough
15:26:17 <dauwhe> dauwhe: we can at least start to collect material, and the BG can help us with guidance on how to use it
15:26:47 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: SSP is the end of may, which is not that critical as they aren't EPUB-oriented, but it also coincides with BEA
15:27:46 <jeff> Book Expo --> https://www.bookexpoamerica.com/
15:28:07 <dauwhe> dauwhe: I wonder if BEA takes up too much oxygen for anything else to get through
15:29:52 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
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15:31:32 <dauwhe> dauwhe: CG wants to take up work on EPUB for Education again. IMS global will take the LMI part, but CG needs to figure out document structure, metadata, etc.
15:31:35 <dauwhe> ack Bill
15:31:58 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: in that context, I had a conversation with Rick Johnson a while ago, and he was interested in getting updated on all these groups.
15:32:22 <dauwhe> ... He certainly could join the CG
15:32:38 <dauwhe> ... Rachel, you were going to reach out to him? He could be the liason to IMS global
15:33:31 <tzviya> present+
15:33:50 <Rachel> present+
15:34:18 <Rachel> q+
15:34:25 <dauwhe> tzviya: I thought we decided that it would be best practices, and the spec part of it would be IMS
15:34:30 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: that was my recollection
15:34:38 <garth> q?
15:34:53 <dauwhe> dauwhe: we should communicate that
15:34:58 <garth> ack Rachel
15:35:18 <dauwhe> Rachel: LTI work was moving to IMS, which it did, and is still working on it
15:35:28 <dauwhe> ... but Macmillan is no longer affiliated with IMS
15:35:46 <dauwhe> ... and the rest of the work was going to shift to best practices or other EPUB documentation
15:35:58 <dauwhe> ... and when looking at the backlog of tickets in publ-cg
15:36:13 <dauwhe> ... and when looking at the remaining EDUPUB spec
15:36:31 <dauwhe> ... and see which pieces which pieces might need to be handed off to the best practices team
15:36:36 <dauwhe> ... and what needs more work done
15:36:51 <dauwhe> ... Dave pointed out there is some conversation to be had around vocabulary and semantics
15:37:22 <dauwhe> dauwhe: we want to give all these pieces to someone else
15:37:24 <dauwhe> q?
15:38:27 <Bill_Kasdorf> * bill spoke _to_ but not _with_ Yukari Arao and Atsuko Inoue who were attending
15:39:06 <dauwhe> dauwhe: are there any other topics people wish to discuss?
15:39:25 <dauwhe> ... if not, we should bring this meeting to an end.
15:40:35 <garth> It will be balmy 50-ish degrees on Sunday evening.
15:40:40 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:40:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/05/03-pbgsc-minutes.html ivan
15:40:40 <ivan> zakim, bye
15:40:40 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
15:40:40 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
15:40:40 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been jeff, dauwhe, Bill_Kasdorf, ivan, tzviya, Rachel
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15:40:42 <dauwhe> ... Ice Cream social on Sunday 7-9PM at JP Licks