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14:38:56 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Chairs’ Telco
14:38:56 <ivan> Chair:  Luc
14:38:56 <ivan> Date: 2019-04-05
14:38:56 <ivan> Regrets+
14:38:56 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2019Apr/0000.html
14:38:56 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2019-04-05: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2019Apr/0000.htmll
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15:04:05 <ivan> scribenick: garth
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15:04:19 <jeff> present+
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15:05:01 <laudrain> Here are various items I’ve gathered. Please raise other issues of interest.
15:05:01 <laudrain> 
15:05:03 <laudrain> EPUBCheck 4.2.0 / EPUB 3.2
15:05:04 <laudrain> Synchronizing communication in April
15:05:06 <laudrain> PBG Draft plan at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Uh4FE6fkHHrtCzrlxleH7NxYEuWlixZkG2zSjsaVms0/edit#gid=0
15:05:07 <laudrain> 
15:05:09 <laudrain> EPUB 3.2
15:05:10 <laudrain> Final CG Report vote discussed yesterday in CG
15:05:12 <laudrain> 
15:05:13 <laudrain> AC flash talk on Publishing@W3C
15:05:15 <laudrain> Any comment?
15:05:16 <laudrain> 
15:05:18 <laudrain> TPAC 2019
15:05:19 <laudrain> PBG Thursday meeting organized by APL and Keio in preparation
15:05:21 <laudrain> 9h00-12h00 is the time slot
15:05:22 <laudrain> 
15:05:24 <laudrain> ISO
15:05:25 <laudrain> Work on EPUB Accessibility
15:05:27 <laudrain> Issue raised by Italian publishers on a11y metadata in and/or outside EPUB
15:05:28 <laudrain> Schema.org vs ONIX vocabulary to be harmonized
15:05:29 <laudrain> 
15:05:30 <laudrain> Avneesh running in the AB election.
15:05:44 <garth> Geroge: Avneesh running for AB ellection
15:06:03 <ivan> s/Geroge/George/
15:06:10 <garth> … will prepare background document.  Be nice if we all voted for him.  :-)
15:07:06 <garth> … Nomination period to end of month, with election in May.
15:07:16 <tzviya> regrets+ Dave_Cramer
15:07:30 <laudrain> q,
15:07:32 <laudrain> q?
15:07:50 <ivan> Topic: epubcheck 4.0.2
15:08:13 <garth> Luc: Good new about PUBCheck 4.2.0 / EPUB 3.2 — RC released — no major issues thus far.
15:08:19 <garth> s/new/news/
15:08:41 <garth> … EPUB3 CG discussed voting for draft of EPUB 3.2
15:08:48 <garth> … only slight modifications
15:09:01 <garth> … to support final EPUB 3.2 epubcheck
15:09:05 <laudrain> q?
15:09:55 <garth> Rachel: Will be sending out vote request to CG to approve current EPUB 3.2 draft (five day window)
15:10:13 <garth> … Some Best Practices discussions with MDN feedback
15:10:39 <laudrain> q?
15:10:41 <George> qq+
15:10:44 <garth> … Will be able start with first article soon.
15:11:12 <laudrain> q+
15:11:17 <garth> George: Vote period?
15:11:49 <garth> Rachel: Don’t seem to have it in the CG charter — perhaps go with five.  Lots of reading.
15:12:00 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:12:12 <garth> s/(five day window)//
15:12:18 <Bill_Kasdorf> q-
15:12:30 <garth> Luc: Won’t be done by BG call on Tuesday.  Too short.
15:12:35 <garth> ack laudrain
15:12:57 <garth> … give enough time to do a good job with review
15:13:23 <garth> … Draft comms schedule
15:13:52 <garth> BillK: April 23rd official release date?
15:14:22 <garth> Luc: Some BG calls will be cancelled for various reasons.
15:15:19 <garth> … Plan to be announced on Tuesday call, but not vote (as CG vote won’t be complete); likely vote on 23rd BG call (assuming results of CG vote in).
15:15:50 <garth> … Hopefully all done on the 23rd.
15:16:02 <garth> … approve final report (note) from CG.
15:16:31 <laudrain> q?
15:16:33 <garth> … approve on call, then do an email call for consensus for five days (at least).
15:17:16 <garth> … Then announce both EPUB 3.2 and epubheck 4.2 final release at same time.
15:17:35 <garth> … Final message tranlations in process (epubcheck).
15:18:10 <garth> … Then start comms process — worldwide.
15:18:52 <garth> … This would be end of epubheck 4.2 milestone, and payment should be approved (the end of April).
15:19:06 <garth> … Next phase (test suie cleanup and refactoring) to be launched then.
15:19:31 <ivan> s/suie/suite
15:19:57 <laudrain> q?
15:20:40 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:20:44 <garth> … Golden Week, maybe cancel that Asia friendly call.
15:21:31 <garth> Daihei_Shiohama: 10 days of holidays; 30th in that range; should cancel.
15:22:02 <garth> Luc: BG call during Pub WG F2F in Boston; likely cancel for that too.
15:22:13 <laudrain> q?
15:22:36 <laudrain> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:22:52 <garth> … Should be able to declare victory on the 23rd — epubheck 4.2 and EPUB 3.2
15:23:07 <garth> s/23rd/23rd (April)/
15:23:23 <garth> … We’ll consider this the plan!
15:23:36 <ivan> Topic: AC flash talk on Publishing@W3C
15:24:05 <garth> Wendy: not until next week
15:24:09 <liisamk> q+
15:24:17 <laudrain> ack liisamk
15:24:42 <garth> Liisa: Speaker is well prepared; BG gave input
15:25:20 <garth> Luc: Jeff, Tviya, Rachel should be there
15:25:28 <garth> s/Tviya/Tzviya/
15:25:32 <ivan> and Karen
15:26:29 <ivan> Topic: TPAC 2019
15:27:23 <garth> Daihei_Shiohama: Submitted application for Sept 19th PBG conference in the AM
15:27:36 <garth> Luc: Co-charis to flesh out content
15:27:45 <laudrain> q?
15:28:09 <garth> George: Other meetings TPAC week?
15:28:23 <Daihei_Shiohama> q+
15:28:35 <garth> Luc: Only that one week.  ISO meeting week before.
15:28:46 <laudrain> ack Daihei_Shiohama
15:29:52 <garth> Daihei_Shiohama: Murata said he will invite ISO folks to attend on the 14th/15th for some sort sort of tour; offer to PWG/PBG folks too.
15:30:34 <garth> … TPAC Monday/Tuesday PWG; Wed nothing on Publishing; Thursday PBG in the AM
15:31:16 <garth> Luc: ??? city tour with Japanese painters weekend following; Ivan might want to go too.
15:31:28 <laudrain> Kagoshima
15:31:33 <wendyreid> s/???/Kagoshima/
15:31:41 <ivan> TPAC: ISO
15:32:57 <garth> Luc: ISO new work items: 3.0.1 EPUB to move to TS, ebook DRM based on LCP, EPUB A11Y.
15:33:02 <garth> … Work started.
15:33:21 <garth> … Lots of internation participation (the “I” in ISO).
15:33:37 <garth> … Revise EPUB Accessibility 1.0
15:34:31 <garth> … Some wording modifications & A11Y metadata — needs to be commuicated to vendors.
15:35:00 <garth> … Use case where metadata sent before publication file (e.g., pre-orders).
15:35:09 <garth> … Need A11Y metadata there too.
15:35:24 <garth> … Other non-ONIX metadata languages.
15:35:45 <garth> … A11Y metadata in EPUB file.
15:35:57 <George> q+
15:36:10 <garth> George: Yes, correct.
15:36:21 <laudrain> ack George
15:36:25 <garth> … Matt was there as well as Geroge; Matt will be editor of Spec.
15:36:38 <garth> … No substantive changes to spec.
15:36:59 <garth> … MUSTs became SHALLs, per ISO language.
15:37:31 <garth> … Kept requirement for A11Y metadaa in EPUB, though ONIX can count.
15:38:13 <garth> … “crosswalk between scheme.org and ONIX” discussions with Editeur.
15:38:14 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to harmonizing schema.org and ONIX re a11y
15:38:49 <garth> … Opportunities for harmonization but without substantive changes.
15:39:26 <laudrain> q?
15:39:31 <garth> Luc: Roundtripping important.  Metadata should be in both inside and outside channels.  Should not be major change.
15:39:31 <liisamk> +1 to a11y data both inside and out
15:40:01 <ivan> topic: publishing CG
15:40:27 <garth> Wendy: Kicked off Publishing CG — Jeff and Mateus chairs.
15:40:46 <laudrain> q+
15:40:52 <garth> … Official nomination soom, with call for participation to follow.
15:40:58 <garth> Luc: What will it do?
15:41:34 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:41:43 <garth> Wendy: TBD.  Call for topics will happen.  Maybe pop-up issue, pagination, workflow work-arounds.
15:41:45 <laudrain> ack laudrain
15:41:53 <garth> Garth: Maybe super-DOM too.
15:42:01 <liisamk> q+
15:42:04 <laudrain> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:42:21 <garth> BillK: Relationship to EPUB CG and BG?
15:43:03 <Rachel> q+
15:43:14 <garth> Wendy: Formal relationship: Pub CG will incubate Publishing technologies; if EPUB related, should be done in EPUB CG.
15:43:20 <garth> … BG can feed ideas too.
15:43:34 <Rachel> q-
15:43:37 <laudrain> ack liisamk
15:43:39 <garth> … Things that aren’t ready for WG.
15:44:18 <laudrain> q?
15:44:23 <garth> Liisa: Should be clear on what folks are doing there.  Need clear directions for Pub CG, before willing to assign folks to participate.
15:44:57 <George> q+
15:44:59 <garth> Wendy: Should participate and bring topcis to Pub CG.  Futrue of Publishing.
15:45:03 <laudrain> ack George
15:45:29 <garth> Geroge: Need to figure out communication methods between all these groups.
15:45:40 <laudrain> q+
15:45:52 <ivan> q+
15:45:53 <garth> … Avoid confusion to publishing industry.  What’s going on where?
15:45:57 <jeff> q+
15:46:07 <garth> … Though happy about activity.
15:46:45 <garth> Luc: Should should Jeff & Mateus become members of this charis group (BGSC)?
15:46:46 <laudrain> ack laudrain
15:46:49 <ivan> ack laudrain
15:46:50 <garth> Wendy: yes
15:46:53 <liisamk> +1 to the new CG chairs joining SC
15:46:58 <garth> Luc: Objections?
15:47:03 <garth> Ivan: Agree.
15:47:04 <laudrain> ack ivan
15:47:22 <garth> … Pub CG is a technical group.
15:47:46 <garth> … Discussions can happen without chartering and deadlines.
15:48:19 <garth> … Efforts can move to Pub WG, CSS WG, or elsewhere.  And incubation for Publishing folks.  Don’t read too much into it.
15:48:46 <garth> … Pick up tech stuff from WG that’s outside the WG charter.
15:49:04 <garth> … Place to do experimentation.
15:49:15 <laudrain> ack jeff
15:49:28 <garth> Jeff: Appreciate Geroge’s point re confusion.
15:49:31 <garth> … it is./
15:49:35 <garth> s./..
15:49:52 <garth> … Publishing home page might be a good plan; maybe Ivan can help with that?
15:50:05 <ivan> q+
15:50:08 <garth> … Discription of these and other related groups.
15:50:20 <garth> … who’s doing what.
15:50:21 <laudrain> ack Ivan
15:50:30 <liisamk> we have a psgr- https://www.w3.org/publishing/ we just need to edit
15:50:39 <garth> Ivan: Makes sense.  There is a /publishing page that should be updated.
15:51:01 <garth> … Left page with related groups already; need to tune.
15:51:16 <garth> … adding details would be a GoodThing(tm).
15:51:22 <laudrain> q?
15:51:35 <garth> Luc: Anything else?
15:51:43 <garth> … Other items?
15:51:58 <garth> … Finish early!
15:52:14 <garth> … Next week AC meetings – have good ones.
15:52:24 <garth> Ivan: It’s cold there!
15:52:50 <garth> George: Will be in Boston next week at MIT Library conf — doing EPUB presentation.
15:53:06 <garth> Luc: Next PBG call this coming Tuesday.
15:53:07 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:53:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/04/05-pbgsc-minutes.html ivan