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DXWG CNEG Subgroup telecon

*apologies for latness - PC updates

confirm agenda

<LarsG> +1

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Approve minutes from last meeting

propose: Approve last meeting's minutes

<LarsG> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌wiki/‌Meetings:CNEG-Telecon2019.03.27

<LarsG> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2019/‌03/‌13-dxwgcneg-minutes

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<roba> +1

<LarsG> s/https:\/\/www.w3.org\/2017\/dxwg\/wiki\/Meetings:CNEG-Telecon2019.03.27//

Resolved: Approve last meeting's minutes

Check list of open action items

<LarsG> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌track/‌products/‌4

<LarsG> action-193?

<trackbot> action-193 -- Rob Atkinson to Move jmeter test suite to within w3c systems -- due 2018-09-05 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌track/‌actions/‌193

topi: discussion about open action items

<LarsG> action-291?

<trackbot> action-291 -- Nicholas Car to Review initial "no overlap" determination and propose explanatory note -- due 2019-02-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌track/‌actions/‌291

<LarsG> ncar: can probably be closed due to the development

<LarsG> ... of the various documents

<LarsG> ... there doesn't seem to be an overlap any more

<LarsG> ... can be closed

<LarsG> close action-291

<trackbot> Closed action-291.

<LarsG> action-312?

<trackbot> action-312 -- Rob Atkinson to Create an issue for sequence diagram -- due 2019-03-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌track/‌actions/‌312

<LarsG> roba: fixed as #852, can be closed

<LarsG> close action-312

<trackbot> Closed action-312.

<LarsG> action-313?

<trackbot> action-313 -- Lars G. Svensson to Ping nick about action-291 -- due 2019-03-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌track/‌actions/‌313

<LarsG> LarsG: can be closed since acted on and 291 is closed

<LarsG> close action-313

<trackbot> Closed action-313.

<LarsG> action-315?

<trackbot> action-315 -- Lars G. Svensson to Add a proposal for url length into #592 -- due 2019-03-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌track/‌actions/‌315

<LarsG> LarsG: acted https://‌lists.w3.org/‌Archives/‌Public/‌public-dxwg-wg/‌2019Mar/‌0409.html

<LarsG> close action-315

<trackbot> Closed action-315.

<LarsG> action-316?

<trackbot> action-316 -- Lars G. Svensson to Review the implications of profile transitivity wrt to ietf document -- due 2019-03-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌track/‌actions/‌316

roba: you could say this is a client problem

LarsG: the IETF document will likely not say anything about this

LarsG: the IETF doc may refer to the W3C doc for details about this

roba: most common UC, server supports a more specific profile than the client wants

roba: want to allow clients to ask for most general, server to give most specific

roba: want to make sure IETF doc doesn't prevent this

LarsG: perhaps IETF doc will suggest servers might want to support transitivity (of profiles) but that the IETF doc won't describe how

roba: we have to say what a valid response is - the requested URI or another (more specific?)

LarsG: client won't know that it's a narrower profile

roba: unless the rule is you either get what you asked for or a narrower

LarsG: from mediatype world, you ask for text/xml but you get back some other ...+xml, the client might not know that this is XML but this is legal

roba: this is what we want

roba: tricky if client asked for a weighted set of profiles

LarsG: this all makes it hard to make clients

roba: might not make the client harder to make

LarsG: client might not know how to relate profile URLs

LarsG: mediatypes not opaque - has +xml for XML subtypes

<LarsG> ncar: there is knowledge in the structure (+xml)

<LarsG> ... not sensible to ask for "nothing but this profile"

<LarsG> roba: the server has a specific version

<LarsG> ncar: If I get back a narrower profile everything is OK

<LarsG> roba: problem is when you ask for two profiles

<LarsG> ncar: is it possible to have the case when you get a resource according

<LarsG> ... to two profiles?

<LarsG> ncar: thought we decided to return the profile URI the client

<LarsG> ... asked for even if it returns a narrower profile

<LarsG> roba: then the client doesn't know what profile it really got

<LarsG> [...] discussion on how to split what the client asked for and which profile it actually is (a broader one)

<LarsG> ncar: will make a branch and a PR with proposal text

<LarsG> action-317?

<trackbot> action-317 -- Rob Atkinson to Remove the "list tokens" part from the ed since that's not necessary any more -- due 2019-03-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW

<trackbot> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌track/‌actions/‌317

<LarsG> roba: PR has been approved and merged

<LarsG> close action-317

<trackbot> Closed action-317.

<LarsG> action-318?

<trackbot> action-318 -- Lars G. Svensson to Remove closed issues from the connec ed document -- due 2019-03-20 -- OPEN

<trackbot> https://‌www.w3.org/‌2017/‌dxwg/‌track/‌actions/‌318

LarsG: I went to remove closed isseus but didn't find any

<LarsG> close action-318

<trackbot> Closed action-318.

LarsG: was I meant to remove Requirements?

roba: no, looks like job done

General Business

<LarsG> ncar: want to put forward to publish ED as PWD in next plenary

ncar: are we ready for 2PWD

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Resolved: want to put forward to publish ED as PWD in next plenary

Anette's issue regarding the QSA approach is Issue 544 in Sec 7.2 in the doc

roba: our main respondent, Kam Hay Fung, has heighed in about it

ncar: I will prepare the doc for 2PWD and prepare a PR for returning narrower profiles

Daylight savings time changes

LarsG: we used to meet at other times, should we change?

LarsG: we haven't had any USA participation for 4 months, can we go back to previous time?

roba: I can make the previous timeslot

ncar: I can make the previous, prefer this timeslot

LarsG: I will prepare a poll for a new time

Action: LarsG to propose new meeting times

<trackbot> Created ACTION-320 - Propose new meeting times [on Lars G. Svensson - due 2019-04-03].