19:56:33 RRSAgent has joined #dxwgcneg 19:56:33 logging to https://www.w3.org/2019/03/27-dxwgcneg-irc 19:56:35 RRSAgent, make logs public 19:56:35 Zakim has joined #dxwgcneg 19:56:37 Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference 19:56:37 Date: 27 March 2019 19:57:08 Meeting: DXWG CNEG Subgroup telecon 19:57:14 Chair: LarsG 19:57:29 RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2 19:57:29 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/03/27-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG 19:58:25 present+ 20:02:37 roba has joined #dxwgcneg 20:06:58 ncar has joined #dxwgcneg 20:07:05 present+ 20:07:16 present+ 20:07:21 *apologies for latness - PC updates 20:11:48 scribe: ncar 20:11:55 scribenick: ncar 20:11:56 chair: LarsG 20:12:10 Topic: confirm agenda 20:12:17 +1 20:12:21 +1 20:12:25 +1 20:12:39 Topic: Approve minutes from last meeting 20:12:44 propose: Approve last meeting's minutes 20:12:57 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:CNEG-Telecon2019.03.27 20:13:11 https://www.w3.org/2019/03/13-dxwgcneg-minutes 20:13:21 +0 (not there) 20:13:28 +1 20:13:49 +1 20:14:11 s/https:\/\/www.w3.org\/2017\/dxwg\/wiki\/Meetings:CNEG-Telecon2019.03.27// 20:14:40 resolved: Approve last meeting's minutes 20:14:47 Topic: Check list of open action items 20:14:53 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/products/4 20:15:44 RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2 20:15:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/03/27-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG 20:19:31 action-193? 20:19:31 action-193 -- Rob Atkinson to Move jmeter test suite to within w3c systems -- due 2018-09-05 -- OPEN 20:19:31 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/193 20:20:00 topi: discussion about open action items 20:20:20 action-291? 20:20:20 action-291 -- Nicholas Car to Review initial "no overlap" determination and propose explanatory note -- due 2019-02-20 -- OPEN 20:20:20 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/291 20:21:05 ncar: can probably be closed due to the development 20:21:14 ... of the various documents 20:21:27 ... there doesn't seem to be an overlap any more 20:22:02 ... can be closed 20:22:21 close action-291 20:22:21 Closed action-291. 20:22:27 action-312? 20:22:27 action-312 -- Rob Atkinson to Create an issue for sequence diagram -- due 2019-03-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW 20:22:27 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/312 20:23:11 roba: fixed as #852, can be closed 20:23:21 close action-312 20:23:21 Closed action-312. 20:23:31 action-313? 20:23:31 action-313 -- Lars G. Svensson to Ping nick about action-291 -- due 2019-03-20 -- OPEN 20:23:31 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/313 20:23:59 LarsG: can be closed since acted on and 291 is closed 20:24:05 close action-313 20:24:06 Closed action-313. 20:24:09 action-315? 20:24:10 action-315 -- Lars G. Svensson to Add a proposal for url length into #592 -- due 2019-03-20 -- OPEN 20:24:10 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/315 20:24:49 LarsG: acted https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2019Mar/0409.html 20:25:01 close action-315 20:25:01 Closed action-315. 20:25:14 action-316? 20:25:14 action-316 -- Lars G. Svensson to Review the implications of profile transitivity wrt to ietf document -- due 2019-03-20 -- OPEN 20:25:14 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/316 20:27:26 roba: you could say this is a client problem 20:27:40 LarsG: the IETF document will likely not say anything about this 20:27:58 LarsG: the IETF doc may refer to the W3C doc for details about this 20:28:40 roba: most common UC, server supports a more specific profile than the client wants 20:29:03 roba: want to allow clients to ask for most general, server to give most specific 20:29:16 roba: want to make sure IETF doc doesn't prevent this 20:29:50 LarsG: perhaps IETF doc will suggest servers might want to support transitivity (of profiles) but that the IETF doc won't describe how 20:30:33 roba: we have to say what a valid response is - the requested URI or another (more specific?) 20:30:48 LarsG: client won't know that it's a narrower profile 20:31:08 roba: unless the rule is you either get what you asked for or a narrower 20:32:02 LarsG: from mediatype world, you ask for text/xml but you get back some other ...+xml, the client might not know that this is XML but this is legal 20:32:12 roba: this is what we want 20:32:48 roba: tricky if client asked for a weighted set of profiles 20:32:59 LarsG: this all makes it hard to make clients 20:34:12 roba: might not make the client harder to make 20:34:26 LarsG: client might not know how to relate profile URLs 20:34:58 LarsG: mediatypes not opaque - has +xml for XML subtypes 20:35:29 ncar: there is knowledge in the structure (+xml) 20:35:50 ... not sensible to ask for "nothing but this profile" 20:36:04 roba: the server has a specific version 20:36:31 ncar: If I get back a narrower profile everything is OK 20:36:56 roba: problem is when you ask for two profiles 20:37:23 ncar: is it possible to have the case when you get a resource according 20:37:28 ... to two profiles? 20:38:22 ncar: thought we decided to return the profile URI the client 20:38:33 ... asked for even if it returns a narrower profile 20:39:15 roba: then the client doesn't know what profile it really got 20:42:29 [...] discussion on how to split what the client asked for and which profile it actually is (a broader one) 20:42:40 ncar: will make a branch and a PR with proposal text 20:42:55 action-317? 20:42:55 action-317 -- Rob Atkinson to Remove the "list tokens" part from the ed since that's not necessary any more -- due 2019-03-20 -- PENDINGREVIEW 20:42:55 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/317 20:43:15 roba: PR has been approved and merged 20:43:20 close action-317 20:43:21 Closed action-317. 20:43:25 action-318? 20:43:25 action-318 -- Lars G. Svensson to Remove closed issues from the connec ed document -- due 2019-03-20 -- OPEN 20:43:25 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/318 20:44:41 LarsG: I went to remove closed isseus but didn't find any 20:44:56 close action-318 20:44:56 Closed action-318. 20:44:58 LarsG: was I meant to remove Requirements? 20:45:05 roba: no, looks like job done 20:45:26 Topi: General Business 20:45:38 Topic: General Business 20:45:58 s/Topi: General Business// 20:46:31 ncar: want to put forward to publish ED as PWD in next plenary 20:46:31 ncar: are we ready for 2PWD 20:49:04 +1 20:49:09 +1 20:49:10 +1 20:49:29 resolved: want to put forward to publish ED as PWD in next plenary 20:52:25 Anette's issue regarding the QSA approach is Issue 544 in Sec 7.2 in the doc 20:52:46 roba: our main respondent, Kam Hay Fung, has heighed in about it 21:01:17 ncar: I will prepare the doc for 2PWD and prepare a PR for returning narrower profiles 21:01:32 topic: Daylight savings time changes 21:01:46 LarsG: we used to meet at other times, should we change? 21:02:21 LarsG: we haven't had any USA participation for 4 months, can we go back to previous time? 21:03:02 roba: I can make the previous timeslot 21:03:16 ncar: I can make the previous, prefer this timeslot 21:03:24 LarsG: I will prepare a poll for a new time 21:04:56 Action: LarsG to propose new meeting times 21:04:56 Created ACTION-320 - Propose new meeting times [on Lars G. Svensson - due 2019-04-03]. 21:05:23 RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2 21:05:23 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/03/27-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG 21:26:18 LarsG has joined #dxwgcneg 22:31:03 Zakim has left #dxwgcneg