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20:52:03 <PWinstanley> meeting: DXWG Plenary
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21:10:08 <antoine> Topic: Admin
21:10:18 <SimonCox> present+
21:10:55 <antoine> PWinstanley: some early announcements. Some good news and some modifications on how we go ahead.
21:11:04 <antoine> ... from discussions between kcoyle , Philippe and I
21:11:23 <antoine> ... We're under pressure for ??? [there was noise]
21:11:43 <antoine> ... All of our effort should go into getting DCAT and Conneg out of way.
21:11:52 <antoine> ... And put all the other stuff on old until May
21:12:00 <kcoyle> s/old/hold
21:12:13 <antoine> ... then we can see where we are on Profiles and PROF
21:12:38 <antoine> ... so others need to know of this shift of fucs
21:12:43 <antoine> s/fucs/focus
21:13:08 <antoine> ... and put a tag on the docs that the documents are on hold.
21:13:38 <antoine> ... I understand that there will be concerns about e.g. Rob and Nick for continuing their own work.
21:13:54 <plh> q+
21:14:09 <antoine> ... We have to ensure that a separate fork can be worked on separately and privately.
21:14:44 <antoine> ... In order to work full steam on DCAT and Conneg, we need to solve issues on timing for merging of PRs.
21:15:08 <antoine> ... Aggregating PRs in the last few days
21:15:34 <antoine> ... Editors could go on merging of PRs but put it in the agenda so that people can see what's happening
21:15:36 <antoine> q+
21:15:45 <PWinstanley> ack plh
21:16:28 <antoine> plh: the priority is DCAT. We need progress before the end of the charter or the group will not be extended.
21:16:43 <antoine> ... Conneg is ok if it doesn't get in the way
21:17:06 <antoine> ... The rest can be put on hold.
21:17:18 <antoine> ... The group can pick it up afterwards.
21:17:35 <antoine> Before June, we need to think whether the group needs an extension
21:17:53 <antoine> ... I don't think we need the discussion right now.
21:18:17 <antoine> ... regarding the profile docs, there can be progress on a separate fork.
21:18:26 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:18:29 <antoine> ... and the group can do a review, but not now as the priority is DCAT
21:18:46 <ncar> q+
21:19:00 <PWinstanley> antoine: Can we have clarification re: the profile doc?
21:19:08 <kcoyle> antoine: asking for clarification re: profile document; in terms of forking repo
21:19:20 <kcoyle> ... means forking into another repo?
21:19:43 <kcoyle> ... assume that looking at PRs - DCAT and conneg only?
21:20:23 <antoine> PWinstanley: the challenge is to allow people with work interest to continue
21:20:50 <antoine> ... I've asked phl about licenses etc
21:21:04 <antoine> ... this can cover continuation of work
21:21:09 <annette_g> s/phl/plh/
21:21:37 <antoine> ... [reiters shift of focus]
21:21:59 <ncar> ?q
21:22:04 <ncar> q?
21:22:06 <kcoyle> +1
21:22:12 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
21:22:32 <antoine> ncar: no real problem if there is a timing issue
21:22:51 <antoine> ... but there is a dependency, e.g. Conneg mentions things like conformance
21:23:10 <antoine> ... so there could be things to sort out
21:23:27 <antoine> ... And can we push out a PWD with the recent changes?
21:23:36 <antoine> ... to answer the changes
21:23:50 <roba> +1 to responding to commenters - whiuch cannot be done without a new PWD
21:23:53 <antoine> ... Wrt PROF there haven't been significant changes
21:24:11 <antoine> ... so I'm ok leaving it for a couple of months
21:24:28 <antoine> PWinstanley: we're up for publishing often
21:24:37 <antoine> ... how much time does it require?
21:24:59 <kcoyle> +1
21:25:01 <PWinstanley> q?
21:25:02 <annette_g> q+
21:25:03 <antoine> ncar: it can be done right after this meeting for the changes mentioned on the agenda
21:25:04 <roba> +1
21:25:09 <antoine> q+
21:25:10 <PWinstanley> ack annette_g
21:25:28 <antoine> annette_g: there is one substantial issue on Conneg before it moves to PWD
21:25:43 <antoine> PWinstanley, ncar: this would be PROF
21:26:26 <plh> q+
21:26:32 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:26:56 <roba> if editors can do there job and close issues and refactor issues that are now mixed issues.
21:27:01 <kcoyle> antoine: about PWD for vocab - I'm in favor this but have we responded to commenters?
21:27:04 <roba> s/there/their/
21:27:16 <roba> q+
21:27:52 <DaveBrowning> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:28:47 <kcoyle> antoine: not against general approach; if we get out 2PWD of vocabulary, then we need to be sure discussion does not happen
21:29:11 <kcoyle> ... need good mechanism to say that
21:29:28 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: we will make announcement
21:29:36 <antoine> ... along several routes
21:29:40 <PWinstanley> ack plh
21:30:10 <ncar> q+
21:30:19 <PWinstanley> ack roba
21:30:28 <antoine> plh: is there an issue with Conneg? The priority is DCAT
21:30:58 <antoine> roba: a lot of people have responded and many changes and we need to come back to the commenters
21:31:02 <antoine> q+
21:31:29 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
21:31:29 <antoine> q-
21:31:47 <antoine> PWinstanley: if editors think the issues have dealt with, issues can be closed.
21:32:08 <antoine> ncar: On Conneg there is a couple of issues but we're not far
21:32:17 <antoine> ... maybe next week
21:32:44 <roba> note this concern was relating to issues only waiting for feedback to reviewers to close
21:32:48 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2019/03/12-dxwg-minutes
21:32:58 <plh> +1
21:33:01 <SimonCox> q+
21:33:01 <antoine> Proposed: approve minutes of last meeting
21:33:02 <roba> +1
21:33:02 <annette_g> +1
21:33:02 <kcoyle> +1
21:33:08 <antoine> +0 (not here
21:33:09 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:33:16 <ncar> q+
21:33:52 <PWinstanley> ack SimonCox
21:33:52 <annette_g> I think those decisions were in a chairs meeting
21:33:52 <antoine> Simon: the minutes were not very informative wrt process, I had to go back to the agenda.
21:33:54 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
21:34:04 <PWinstanley> +1
21:34:11 <antoine> ncar: I was there, I would need to be put on
21:34:22 <SimonCox> q+
21:34:28 <PWinstanley> ack SimonCox
21:35:12 <antoine> SimonCox: the concern is about the communication on decisions, how they were made.
21:35:16 <roba> decisions were all made behind closed doors - so wont be minutes
21:35:24 <antoine> ... the process discussion were not announced in emails.
21:35:38 <antoine> PWinstanley: apologies for this
21:35:53 <ncar> +0 - I was there but am listed incorrectly as a regret
21:36:08 <SimonCox> Retrospective apologies for not having been present last week.
21:36:19 <antoine> Resolved: approved minutes of last call  https://www.w3.org/2019/03/12-dxwg-minutes
21:36:40 <antoine> Resolved: approved minutes of last call  https://www.w3.org/2019/03/19-dxwg-minutes
21:36:51 <ncar> +1 - I am correctly listed
21:37:26 <antoine> Call times
21:37:29 <annette_g> +1 for 20:00 UTC
21:37:35 <kcoyle> +1
21:37:38 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:37:41 <PWinstanley> +1
21:37:41 <ncar> +0 (I don't mind)
21:37:49 <antoine> -1 but if profiles is not on the table then I can attend fewer meetings
21:37:50 <PWinstanley> q?
21:38:12 <DaveBrowning> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:38:49 <kcoyle> +q
21:39:17 <antoine> Topic: PRs
21:39:23 <antoine> q?
21:39:32 <PWinstanley> q?
21:39:34 <kcoyle> q-
21:39:37 <DaveBrowning> q+
21:39:37 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
21:39:55 <roba> PRs dont need to reflect a decision - they are necessary just to reference open issues correctly
21:40:10 <ncar> * I'm not switching!
21:40:18 <PWinstanley> ack DaveBrowning
21:40:24 <ncar> * Always +10 here
21:40:31 <antoine> kcoyle: about time, both Europe and Australia are going to switch next week so the times will remain the same
21:41:03 <antoine> DaveBrowning: About PR 825, the conversation should continue
21:41:39 <antoine> PWinstanley: we need to know when we can close issues
21:42:01 <antoine> DaveBrowning: should we list issues next to PRs?
21:42:06 <antoine> PWinstanley: yes it would be great
21:42:42 <PWinstanley> q?
21:42:45 <antoine> ... so that we can close the many issues that are around
21:43:07 <antoine> ... Now can we push forward with the PRs?
21:43:13 <ncar> q+
21:43:18 <roba> q+
21:43:55 <antoine> q+
21:44:25 <roba> q-
21:44:44 <PWinstanley> acn ncar
21:44:49 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
21:44:52 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:45:20 <roba> q+
21:45:53 <PWinstanley> ack roba
21:46:28 <PWinstanley> antoine: I am not against the merge of PR 841, but I want to keep issue #642 open
21:47:52 <antoine> roba: please make sure that issues are correct. there's an issue polluted
21:48:16 <antoine> ... and we've created new ones
21:48:37 <antoine> Topic: Actions
21:48:51 <antoine> PWinstanley: the subgroups need to take care of them
21:48:55 <antoine> Topic: Feedback
21:49:30 <antoine> PWinstanley: these sheets need to be updated
21:49:39 <antoine> ... so that we can report on the discussions we've had
21:49:58 <antoine> Topic: DCAT
21:50:49 <kcoyle> q+
21:50:57 <antoine> DaveBrowning: work has been done in the last week
21:51:13 <kcoyle> q-
21:51:20 <antoine> ... we've not assessed how far we are from the end (the issues critical for the CR)
21:51:41 <antoine> ... if some people think the list misses anything please add it
21:51:45 <antoine> Topic: Conneg
21:51:45 <SimonCox> DCAT: 12 open PRs https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+label%3Adcat+sort%3Aupdated-desc
21:52:08 <antoine> ncar: we're pretty close to a 2nd PWD
21:52:20 <antoine> ... annette_g says there's a couple of issues are outstanding
21:52:30 <antoine> ... the rythm of feedback is slowing down
21:52:40 <annette_g> There is one substantial one, that would alter about half the content.
21:52:49 <antoine> ... there are some dependencies on PROF
21:52:51 <SimonCox> DCAT: 9 of the 12 open PRs are 'approved' though one has ongoing discussion
21:52:57 <PWinstanley> s/rythm/rhythm/
21:53:02 <antoine> ... one could be solved by removing a function
21:53:05 <SimonCox> ... i.e. ready for merge
21:53:08 <antoine> ... we could put this on the agenda
21:53:18 <SimonCox> q+
21:53:25 <PWinstanley> ack SimonCox
21:53:52 <antoine> SimonCox: there are 12 PRs on DCAT, 9 of them are approved
21:54:08 <antoine> ... do we require a plenary vote for merging them?
21:54:30 <alejandra> +q
21:54:36 <antoine> PWinstanley: we're removing this requirement, but please put the PRs into the table (agenda) and the issues next to them.
21:55:10 <antoine> SimonCox: the link I've posted above does this
21:55:29 <antoine> PWinstanley: we still want the two reviews
21:56:17 <antoine> q+
21:56:17 <PWinstanley> q?
21:56:21 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:56:45 <antoine> alejandra: if we go back to the process we had, agreed by the WG at the beginning, it's alright
21:56:59 <antoine> ... but sharing PR is not possible after they're merged
21:57:33 <antoine> PWinstanley: what we're after is a consolidated view of what's happening every week.
21:57:45 <PWinstanley> q?
21:57:48 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:58:09 <alejandra> so closing issues needs to wait until the plenary?
21:59:22 <SimonCox> this link https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed+label%3Adcat+sort%3Aupdated-desc shows the recently merged PRs for DCAT
21:59:27 <kcoyle> Alejandra, good question. let's figure that out
22:00:05 <alejandra> we had it totally figured out until recently
22:00:10 <alejandra> as a WG
22:00:11 <SimonCox> q+
22:00:13 <alejandra> with consensus
22:01:14 <SimonCox> q+ to suggest that the issue with profiles vocabulary is not to 'shape it properly' but to 'reach consensus' (which is less value-laden)
22:01:47 <plh> q?
22:01:49 <PWinstanley> ack SimonCox
22:01:49 <Zakim> SimonCox, you wanted to suggest that the issue with profiles vocabulary is not to 'shape it properly' but to 'reach consensus' (which is less value-laden)
22:03:07 <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes
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22:03:07 <antoine> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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