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14:51:58 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Steering Committee Telco
14:51:58 <ivan> Chair:  Luc
14:51:58 <ivan> Date: 2019-03-21
14:51:58 <ivan> Regrets+ dauwhe, tzviya, wendy
14:51:58 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2019Mar/0009.html
14:51:59 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2019-03-21: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2019Mar/0009.html
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15:04:54 <garth> Luc: epubcheck 4.0.2
15:05:04 <garth> s/4.0.2/4.2.0/
15:05:10 <ivan> topic: epubcheck
15:05:20 <garth> RC made available by DAISY.  Testing discussion starting.
15:05:35 <garth> s/RC/… RC/
15:05:55 <garth> … Kobo will process a bunch of EPUBs
15:06:08 <liisamk> q+
15:06:08 <garth> … Hopefully Google will get on it too.
15:06:15 <laudrain> ack liisamk
15:06:17 <garth> … Issues to Github.
15:06:34 <garth> Liisa: Apple has likely started testing too (backlist issues).
15:06:59 <garth> … Can we send messages to all of our lists to start testing and filing feedback?
15:07:28 <garth> Luc: Should do so worldwide.
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15:07:52 <laudrain> q?
15:08:02 <garth> … Our responsibility in the publishing industry.
15:08:34 <ivan> q+
15:08:35 <garth> … Final version scheduled for end of March; will really be in April (mid?).
15:08:42 <Rachel> q+
15:08:55 <Daihei_Shiohama> q+
15:09:00 <laudrain> ack ivan
15:09:27 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to Ivan
15:09:31 <garth> Ivan: Is it better if the release of epubheck is coinicident with EPUB 3.2 release?
15:09:35 <liisamk> +1 to releasing 3.2 and epubcheck 4.2 at the same time
15:10:00 <garth> Luc: Yes previously discussed.
15:10:08 <Daihei_Shiohama> +1 to lisamk
15:10:22 <garth> … Yes, they should be synchronized.
15:10:34 <garth> Ivan: talking about public presentation.
15:10:47 <garth> Luc: Yes, we should do together.
15:10:52 <laudrain> ack Rachel
15:10:53 <garth> q?
15:11:06 <garth> Rachel: Do we have the funds to get there?
15:11:24 <garth> Luc: next on the agenda.
15:11:35 <laudrain> ack Daihei_Shiohama
15:11:47 <garth> Daihei: Question from Japan… what’s the time period?
15:11:52 <garth> … Mid-April?
15:12:16 <garth> … The timing of end-of-testing should be annoucned.
15:12:22 <garth> Luc: Yes, but also ASAP.
15:12:31 <liisamk> +1 to announcing that we allow for testing until mid-April
15:13:02 <garth> Luc: we will discuss and announcement makes sense too.
15:13:40 <garth> … results should be sent back to DAISY (positive too), so that we can know the amount of testing.
15:14:03 <laudrain> q?
15:14:04 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:14:14 <laudrain> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:14:53 <garth> Bill_Kasdorf: Intention to complete asap, but shouldn’t do anything formal until we know results of testing.
15:14:54 <George> q+
15:15:13 <laudrain> ack George
15:15:27 <garth> … and can we fund it?  So hold off a bit on puclic announcement.
15:15:52 <garth> George: complains about scribe typing loudly.  :-)
15:15:56 <ivan> +1 to george
15:15:58 <laudrain> +1 to George’s BIG BAND
15:15:59 <liisamk> q+
15:16:02 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to George
15:16:12 <garth> … One big bang announcement — epubcheck & EPUB 3.2 concurrently.
15:16:23 <garth> … Hopefully some time in April.
15:16:23 <laudrain> ack liisamk
15:16:56 <Daihei_Shiohama> +1 to Liisa
15:16:59 <garth> Liisa: And announcement saying “you should be testing, this is coming, feedback needed by early/mid April.  Then do Big Bang.”
15:17:13 <garth> Luc: Yes, that should be the plan.
15:17:36 <Daihei_Shiohama> +1 to Garth
15:17:56 <garth> … Announcements from DAISY and W3C blog.
15:18:00 <garth> q?
15:18:10 <garth> … should be pushed by all of us too.
15:18:18 <laudrain> q?
15:18:33 <garth> … topic complete.
15:18:38 <ivan> topic: epubcheck funding
15:19:41 <garth> … Have 2/3 of needed funds for full 18mo development.  Have funds to get 4.2 out.
15:19:49 <garth> … But need more for next phases.
15:20:02 <garth> … see small but regular contributioins coming.
15:20:10 <garth> … We should all cintinue to grovel.
15:20:24 <garth> s/cintinue/continue/
15:20:42 <garth> … Daihei_Shiohama did much in April.
15:21:02 <garth> Daihei_Shiohama: Yosji-san helped alot, working on big contributions.
15:21:09 <garth> … more in process.
15:21:18 <laudrain> q?
15:21:23 <liisamk> q+
15:21:23 <garth> s/April/Japan/
15:21:59 <garth> … Kadokawa was presenting epubcheck tee-shirts… buy to contribute.
15:22:42 <garth> … TDPF will reach out to Taiwaneese publishing industry to raise funds there.
15:22:42 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:23:26 <garth> … will work outside W3C to raise funds.
15:23:26 <laudrain> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:23:49 <garth> Bill_Kasdorf: Draft of letter from External Coordination Task Force.
15:24:08 <garth> … Provided starter text to use — modify or translate as needed.
15:24:17 <laudrain> q+
15:24:35 <garth> … Fundraising for completion and *continued maintenance* of epubcheck.
15:24:58 <garth> Liisa: Need to stress the *continued maintenance* part.
15:25:07 <garth> … Multi-language tee-shirts?
15:25:07 <Rachel> q+
15:25:13 <garth> ack liisamk
15:25:41 <garth> Luc: Tee-shirts at digital publishing summit in Paris.
15:26:05 <garth> … Good point for pushing *continued maintenance* of epubhceck.
15:26:22 <garth> … Starting to modify fund-raising page to bring it up-to-date.
15:26:34 <garth> … need to add next steps.
15:26:38 <laudrain> q?
15:26:44 <laudrain> ack laudrain
15:26:45 <garth> ack laudrain
15:26:50 <garth> ack Rachel
15:27:00 <garth> Rachel: I guess we don’t have all needed funds.
15:27:11 <garth> … do we have a $$’s number?
15:28:01 <garth> Luc: 2/3 done.  Total needed is $136K.  Today at $86K.
15:28:23 <garth> … Pledged.  $78K actually recevied.
15:29:03 <garth> … no real collection problems.
15:29:14 <garth> Rachel: Thank you.
15:29:27 <garth> Luc: Cash ballance is possitive. 4.2 can be paid in time.
15:29:39 <garth> Rachel: $550 rasied so far with tee-shirts.
15:29:52 <garth> … it’s a non-trival effort to do this sort of fund rasiing.
15:30:08 <garth> … multiples for different languages.
15:30:14 <garth> … Need 50 for each.
15:30:24 <garth> … not the best fund raising source.
15:30:27 <laudrain> q?
15:30:43 <garth> scirbenick: George
15:30:55 <ivan> scribenick: george
15:31:55 <George> Ivan: George stated what I wanted to say.
15:32:07 <George> Luc: what about remaining issues?
15:32:16 <ivan> Topic: Epub 3.2
15:32:26 <George> The issues would not prvent the launch.
15:32:40 <ivan> Topic: Audiobooks
15:32:50 <George> Next Topic audio books.
15:33:08 <George> Wendy sent us a status this morning.
15:33:45 <laudrain> q?
15:33:53 <jeff> q+
15:34:02 <laudrain> ack jeff
15:34:25 <laudrain> From Wendy: Audiobooks – the APA were presented the Explainer doc at their meeting this week, they’re consulting with a lawyer to ensure there’s no anti-trust concern in meeting with me to discuss the spec together. I’ve already been contacted by Audible so I’m hoping that continues. George has also provided 2 contacts for me!
15:34:26 <laudrain> 
15:34:27 <George> APA were presented  with the explainer. Their legal counsel are being contacted and also  Audible.Audible. The
15:34:47 <George> Wendy's report was below her regrets.
15:34:54 <ivan> -> Wendy's mail: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2019Mar/0012.html
15:35:05 <laudrain> q?
15:35:11 <George> Jeff: Good that Audible were contacted.
15:35:34 <George> Good progress in reaching out to the audio arena.
15:35:50 <ivan> s/Good/Luc: /
15:36:08 <George> The audio book is present for the Boston F2F in early May.
15:36:33 <George> Ivan: We are still in process of developing the agenda, but Audio books will be there.
15:36:41 <ivan> Topic: Digital publ. summit
15:37:05 <George> Next Topic: Ebook conference in June.
15:37:07 <George> Dates June 25 and 26.
15:37:20 <George> Program is not final and is being developed.
15:37:24 <ivan> q+
15:37:27 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:38:20 <George> There will be important representation from Japan.
15:38:21 <George> Representatives will present and talk about the digital publishing in Japan.
15:38:29 <laudrain> ack ivan
15:38:32 <George> We will promote EPUB 3.2
15:38:35 <laudrain> q+
15:39:06 <laudrain> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:39:11 <George> Ivan: I advise you to make hotel reservations, because this is a big time for tourists. It took a lot to get a hotel.
15:39:23 <George> Bill: It is a digital publishing summit.
15:39:44 <George> We expect innovations to be presented along with practicle items.
15:39:59 <ivan> s/We/Luc: We/
15:40:27 <laudrain> q?
15:40:27 <George> The summit will be a great opportunity to promote EPUB 3.2, epubcheck, and fund raising to cotinue epubcheck development and maintenance.
15:41:05 <George> Luc: We want testamonials from W3C members endorsing EPUB 3.2
15:41:24 <George> We do not know where these testamonials should be placed?
15:41:45 <George> Ivan: what is the question?
15:41:48 <Karen> q+
15:42:04 <George> Luc: Where should testamonials for EPUB 3.2.
15:42:06 <laudrain> ack laudrain
15:42:12 <laudrain> ack karen
15:42:44 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:42:55 <George> Karen: I talked with Carlie?? The business group can post, and we can link from publishing pages. We need to work out the details.
15:43:06 <Karen> s/Carlie/Coralie, head of W3C marcomm
15:43:14 <liisamk> q+
15:43:30 <George> Luc: It could be Rachel and Dave as chairs or it could be chairs of PBG.
15:43:32 <laudrain> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:44:11 <laudrain> ack liisamk
15:44:13 <George> Bill: If we are posting to the W3C lists, that hits the W3C members. We need to broadcast further outside the W3C:
15:44:21 <Rachel> +1 to PBG
15:44:33 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to PBG
15:44:50 <liisamk> we should add a discussion to the agenda for next week!
15:44:53 <laudrain> q?
15:45:00 <George> Liisa: The PBG should take point on on the collection of testamonials. This should go broader than W3C members.
15:45:05 <Bill_Kasdorf> That will be another opportunity for the External Coordination TF to distribute a press release with testimonials
15:45:28 <ivan> Topic: TPAC questions
15:45:41 <George> Last Topic: Early questions about TPAC 2019.
15:46:09 <George> PBG and PWG discussions are being planned.
15:46:24 <ivan> q+
15:46:38 <George> There will be  a PBG event for two days.
15:47:06 <laudrain> q?
15:47:16 <George> PGG conference on Thursday and this is the date when dr. ?? will be able to present.
15:47:40 <George> We want to have other publishers to participate in our meetings.
15:47:48 <ivan> s/??/Jun Murai/
15:48:02 <laudrain> s/There will be  a PBG event for two days./There will be a PBG short event./
15:48:05 <George> We want to make time available for publishers to come and bring the business point of view.
15:48:20 <laudrain> q?
15:49:17 <George> We will do our best to raise attendance. We will be submitting the dates to W3C for the OK to have this publishing meeting.
15:49:34 <laudrain> ack ivan
15:50:03 <Daihei_Shiohama> q+
15:50:25 <George> Ivan: This event will be an integral part of TPAC week. It will be open to all TPAC attendees? My feeling is that it should be open to TPAC members.
15:50:51 <laudrain> q+
15:50:59 <George> The only problematic is that Thursday and Friday are days where we have other WG meetings.
15:51:00 <Rachel> q+
15:51:24 <George> This means that the two day publishing will conflict in some cases with these WG meetings.
15:51:42 <George> We should be aware of these overlaps; it is impossible to avoide.
15:51:44 <laudrain> ack Daihei_Shiohama
15:52:52 <George> It should be open. The publishers do not participate inthese kinds of meetings. In terms of timing, this is the only time we have been able to get key people to attend.
15:53:12 <Daihei_Shiohama> Yes to Luc
15:53:39 <George> Luc: the meeting will be only a half day. If we do something on the 19th and depends on other working groups.
15:53:43 <Rachel> q-
15:53:47 <Daihei_Shiohama> q+
15:54:03 <George> This will be a short event inside TPAC.
15:54:07 <laudrain> ack laudrain
15:54:07 <Rachel> +1 to Ivan's concerns
15:54:23 <laudrain> ack Daihei_Shiohama
15:55:13 <George> I was trying to avoid conflicts, but this is difficult.
15:55:34 <ivan> I have a WG call on those 2 days (JSON-LD)
15:55:54 <George> On Thursday there are no major conflicts as of yet. We will look if it is a half day in morning or in the afternoon.
15:56:26 <jeff> q+
15:56:37 <George>  are better with a morning or afternoon on the 19?Should we doodle that publishing members that attend TPAC
15:56:48 <laudrain> ack jeff
15:57:19 <laudrain> q?
15:57:23 <George> Jeff: Tipically an AC meeting on Thursdyay afternoon. If we want AC reps there, morning would be betterr.
15:57:32 <Karen> s/Tipically/Typically
15:57:42 <Karen> s/betterr/better
15:57:43 <laudrain> q?
15:57:51 <George> Luc: Are there any other points?
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