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20:42:19 <PWinstanley> chair: PWinstanley
20:42:29 <PWinstanley> Meeting: DXWG weekly plenary
20:43:37 <PWinstanley> regrets+ Makx
20:43:51 <PWinstanley> rrsagent, create minutes v2
20:43:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/03/19-dxwg-minutes.html PWinstanley
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21:03:33 <roba> scribenick: roba
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21:05:05 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.03.19
21:05:14 <kcoyle> that's the agenda, fyi
21:05:31 <PWinstanley> proposed:  accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2019/03/12-dxwg-minutes
21:06:03 <annette_g> +1
21:06:12 <roba> +1
21:06:19 <kcoyle>  +1
21:06:22 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:06:30 <plh> +1
21:06:30 <ncar> 0 (absent)
21:06:32 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> 0 (absent)
21:06:33 <ncar> present+
21:06:45 <PWinstanley> 0 absent
21:06:50 <alejandra> +1
21:06:58 <PWinstanley> accepted:  accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2019/03/12-dxwg-minutes
21:07:08 <PWinstanley> resolved:  accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2019/03/12-dxwg-minutes
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21:07:20 <kcoyle> rrsagent, create minutes v2
21:07:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/03/19-dxwg-minutes.html kcoyle
21:07:54 <kcoyle> q+
21:08:05 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
21:09:09 <roba> +1 for either 21 or 20 UTC
21:09:41 <ncar> as per Rob
21:10:39 <ncar> q+
21:10:43 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
21:10:53 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> I will not be present at TPAC in September..
21:11:06 <roba> Pwinstanley: should we be optimisitic and book a slot at TPAC in september?
21:11:14 <DaveBrowning> q+
21:11:19 <PWinstanley> ack DaveBrowning
21:11:49 <roba> DaveBrowning: is there a downside to accepting?
21:12:09 <kcoyle> q+
21:12:11 <alejandra> Personally, I cannot confirm now
21:12:13 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
21:12:22 <annette_g> I would be dialing in.
21:12:24 <roba> plh: downside is cost to W3C if not used
21:12:58 <tomb> isn't September is three months beyond end of charter?
21:13:24 <tomb> ok
21:14:04 <roba> PWinstanley: other options such as "evergreen" as discussed by plh last week/
21:14:41 <roba> ... we need to have many eyes on all things on final run to mitigate errors in haste to finish
21:15:33 <kcoyle> q+
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21:15:40 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
21:15:41 <alejandra> +q
21:15:55 <riccardoAlbertoni> present+
21:16:07 <roba> ... see proposal on agenda
21:16:26 <plh> q+
21:16:52 <plh> q+ to add a bit more background as well
21:17:12 <AndreaPerego> present+
21:17:13 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:17:13 <annette_g> q+
21:17:36 <roba> kcoyle: not the first suggestion which is that every single commit needs to be reviewed and accepted by the plenary?
21:17:58 <roba> annette_g: is this for all documents and all types of edits?
21:18:42 <roba> Pwinstanley: this applies to all commits and merges
21:19:14 <DaveBrowning> q+
21:19:44 <roba> alejandra: we have already been doing a process where editors review pull requests and if one editor submits other editors must review.
21:20:06 <roba> Pwinstanley: this is what we are already doing
21:20:09 <annette_g> um, I didn't say the above
21:20:09 <roba> q+\
21:20:13 <roba> q+
21:20:21 <PWinstanley> ack plh
21:20:21 <Zakim> plh, you wanted to add a bit more background as well
21:21:07 <roba> plh: some background - stopped ability to rewrite repository, and IPR check
21:21:49 <roba> ... requiring review on PR is being applied across W3C
21:21:59 <alejandra> s/annette_g: is this for all documents and all types of edits?/alejandra: is this for all documents and all types of edits?
21:22:02 <ncar> q+
21:22:05 <PWinstanley> ack annette_g
21:22:18 <roba> ... at least one person needs to review
21:22:32 <roba> annette_g: we need to flag substantial changes
21:22:36 <PWinstanley> ack DaveBrowning
21:22:51 <alejandra> +q
21:23:00 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:23:48 <roba> DaveBrowning: have been doing this with DCAT for some time - whats the procedure - looks like no merges on DCAT spec until over a week
21:25:18 <roba> ... we wont meet end of month deadline
21:25:25 <PWinstanley> ack roba
21:27:43 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
21:29:06 <roba> roba: we currently bring changes to normative sections in conneg and profiles to plenary - DCAT works within the sub-group only. plenary review of purely editorial commits is an untenable overhead
21:29:49 <PWinstanley> ack \,
21:29:54 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:30:04 <PWinstanley> ack \
21:30:07 <kcoyle> ack \
21:31:02 <roba> ncar: i dont think this will work: no problems with PR review but will require to preempt conversations and put PRS in a queue in advance.
21:31:34 <roba> alejandra: dont agree with it being for all commits: we have a procedure that works.
21:32:15 <roba> Pwinstanley: review by plenary "should go quickly" unless there are things people have issues about
21:32:34 <roba> ... c.f. comments by annette_g re QSA
21:32:41 <roba> q+
21:32:51 <alejandra> We always worked on the assumption that we have a draft document and everyone can make comments at any stage of the process
21:33:13 <roba> * thanks alejandra - struggling to keep up
21:33:24 <PWinstanley> q?
21:33:28 <PWinstanley> ack roba
21:34:04 <annette_g> The issue is several months old, for the record.
21:35:03 <plh> q+
21:35:19 <PWinstanley> ack plh
21:35:40 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:35:54 <roba> plh: i think you should try it out - PRS can be merged
21:35:58 <alejandra> +q to mention potential conflicts
21:36:03 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:36:03 <Zakim> alejandra, you wanted to mention potential conflicts
21:36:26 <kcoyle> q+
21:36:52 <roba> PRS yes - but commits makes no sense - we should commit on issue resolution - its the issues we should vote on, not the commits
21:37:00 <kcoyle> q-
21:37:21 <roba> alejandra: many PRS will mean many conflicts
21:37:32 <annette_g> q+
21:37:34 <roba> plh: groups arent experiences
21:37:35 <roba> q+
21:37:38 <PWinstanley> ack annette_g
21:37:56 <DaveBrowning> q+ to follow up on commit resolution
21:38:07 <roba> annete_g: when commits of editorial nature these can be grouped in one PR
21:38:13 <alejandra> +q
21:38:13 <PWinstanley> ack roba
21:38:31 <plh> q+ to remind folks about labels
21:39:03 <ncar> q+
21:39:18 <plh> q+ to mention github workflow
21:40:04 <DaveBrowning> q-
21:40:25 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:40:55 <roba> roba: issues should be accepted and commits are editorial process
21:41:16 <roba> alejandra: agree with roba
21:41:31 <PWinstanley> ack plh
21:41:31 <Zakim> plh, you wanted to remind folks about labels and to mention github workflow
21:41:40 <plh> https://w3c.github.io/workflow.html
21:41:45 <roba> ...we currently work on fine grained PRs on separate branches and it works well
21:41:59 <plh> git add -p
21:42:20 <roba> plh: we have github page for procedures
21:42:26 <ncar> -q
21:42:58 <alejandra> We have been using the labels
21:43:04 <ncar> q+
21:43:35 <roba> ... recommend that use editors label "editorial only"
21:43:47 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
21:43:57 <roba> ... two editors can work separately in a non-default branch
21:44:38 <roba> ncar: do you mean commits or pull requests
21:44:57 <roba> plh: I mean PR - a PR containst one or more commits
21:45:19 <roba> plh: granularity is at PR not commit
21:45:22 <alejandra> the text about the procedure at https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.03.19 has to change to refer to PRs
21:46:04 <annette_g> +1 to alejandra
21:46:11 <roba> ncar: labelling as editorial implies a lesser level of review - which is actually more difficult.
21:47:18 <roba> Pwinstanley: hearing this but can we just roll with it?
21:47:23 <roba> q+
21:47:27 <PWinstanley> ack roba
21:48:16 <ncar> +1 to plenary review needed for Issue closing, not Commits or PRs
21:48:23 <alejandra> +1
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21:51:53 <roba> ACTION: Pwinstanley to correct proposal to reference pull requests not commits
21:51:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-319 - Correct proposal to reference pull requests not commits [on Peter Winstanley - due 2019-03-26].
21:53:03 <PWinstanley> topic: open issues
21:53:04 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
21:53:19 <roba> Pwinstanley: are there any issues the subgroups are finding diffuculty with
21:53:20 <roba> q+
21:53:28 <PWinstanley> ack roba
21:54:26 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:54:32 <PWinstanley> s/diffuculty/difficulty/
21:54:33 <ncar> q+
21:54:38 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
21:55:54 <alejandra> +q
21:57:26 <roba> can we add this to the standing agenda as first item after actions
21:57:50 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:57:58 <roba> ncar: anything passed in plenary is then merged
21:58:22 <roba> alejandra: in the last meeting we were told we shouldnt address new features
21:58:33 <roba> .. so its all editorial work
21:58:44 <annette_g> q+
21:59:22 <roba> its actually editorial work on profiles - after bottoming out comments on scope and descriptions - a bit of actual work on normative  in conneg
21:59:40 <plh> q+
21:59:57 <PWinstanley> ack annette_g
22:00:01 <roba> q+
22:00:04 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.03.19
22:00:05 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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22:00:30 <kcoyle> q+
22:01:09 <alejandra> I think we can add new issues with the understanding that they will go to the backlog for now
22:01:16 <PWinstanley> ack plh
22:03:44 <PWinstanley> ack roba
22:03:45 <alejandra> DCAT CR milestone: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/14
22:04:01 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
22:04:09 <plh> q+
22:04:13 <PWinstanley> ack plh
22:04:18 <alejandra> DCAT backlog: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/15 (these milestones are not yet updated)
22:05:11 <roba> plh: should be dealt with as a group as a "consent" item
22:05:49 <PWinstanley> rrsagent, create minutes v2
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22:05:50 <kcoyle> rrsagent, create minutes v2
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