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15:25:46 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Working Group Telco
15:25:46 <ivan> Chair: Wendy
15:25:46 <ivan> Date: 2019-03-18
15:25:46 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publ-wg/2019Mar/0015.html
15:25:46 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2019-03-18: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publ-wg/2019Mar/0015.html
15:25:47 <ivan> Regrets+ Tzviya, rdeltour, franco, charlesL, DanieWeck, josh, matt
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16:01:33 <JunGamo> thank you Ivan
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16:04:35 <wendyreid> https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/Meetings/Minutes/2019/2019-03-11-pwg
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16:04:40 <garth> Wendy: Minutes
16:04:49 <BenSchroeter> present+
16:04:58 <garth> … Silence == consent
16:04:59 <Avneesh> present+
16:05:01 <ivan> resolved: last week's minutes are accepted
16:05:09 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/pull/407
16:05:33 <ivan> topic: #407 pull request acceptance
16:05:38 <garth> … Matt submitted PR to restructure Spec; charis have reviews; okay to merge?
16:05:48 <laudrain> +1
16:05:50 <ivan> +1
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16:06:14 <garth> … Merge it!
16:06:19 <gpellegrino> +1
16:06:19 <duga> present+
16:06:38 <ivan> Topic: issue closing
16:06:46 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22propose+closing%22
16:06:50 <garth> … topics for today — list of issues to close!
16:07:01 <garth> … 19 items, many old
16:07:50 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/67
16:08:18 <garth> … #67 not that important; can close?
16:08:22 <ivan> +1
16:08:30 <garth> … Silence == consent
16:08:43 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/73
16:09:08 <garth> … What does modification date mean?
16:09:30 <garth> … Matt’s change has been made; go ahead and close?
16:09:47 <garth> … yes.
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16:10:30 <garth> … Infoset feedback : Accessibility compliance information
16:10:41 <garth> … We’ve expunged Infoset.  So close?
16:10:56 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/178
16:11:01 <garth> … close #178.
16:11:04 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/179
16:11:10 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/180
16:11:18 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/181
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16:11:43 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/187
16:12:18 <garth> …Close 178…181 — all infoset related.
16:12:23 <ivan> +1
16:13:06 <garth> … #187: Bring back popular EPUB 2.x/3.x metadata?
16:13:14 <laudrain> +1
16:13:39 <garth> Ivan: it’s all doable
16:13:50 <garth> Wendy: close #187
16:13:53 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/188
16:14:20 <garth> … #188: Sortable metadata strings propose closing topic:manifest topic:metadata
16:14:42 <garth> … Reopen if comes up again
16:14:48 <garth> … close!
16:14:58 <laudrain> +1
16:15:02 <garth> … #189: linking to multiple manifests
16:15:05 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/189
16:15:59 <garth> … wording change to MAY (for linkage to manifests), from SHOULD.
16:16:27 <garth> … close?
16:16:55 <garth> … crickets
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16:17:12 <geoffjukes> apologies for being late
16:17:55 <garth> Ivan: lukewarm discussion.  Almost a year old.
16:17:59 <garth> Wendy: close.
16:18:07 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/190
16:18:15 <garth> … #190: "resources that belong to more than one Web Publication"
16:18:24 <garth> … yes, this is possible
16:18:36 <garth> … that way in the spec
16:19:11 <garth> Luc: when packaged a different story.
16:19:17 <garth> … don’t see the issue
16:19:25 <garth> Ivan: me neither
16:19:38 <garth> Wendy: close!
16:19:58 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/201
16:20:08 <garth> … #201: Informing the user that the current resource is part of a web publication
16:20:35 <garth> Ivan: should move to affordances, not in spec anymore.
16:20:54 <garth> Wendy: close as no longer relevant.
16:21:09 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/204
16:21:12 <garth> … #204: Document should call out specific actions/notes for User Agents
16:21:41 <garth> Ivan: Affordacnes too.
16:21:46 <garth> Wendy: close
16:21:54 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/207
16:22:01 <garth> … #207: Letting the author control pagination vs scrolling
16:22:34 <garth> … CSS can do?  Not for WP?
16:23:17 <duga> q+
16:23:21 <garth> Luc: issue with FL
16:23:24 <wendyreid> ack duga
16:24:08 <garth> Brady: If done in CSS that’s at doc level, not publication level.  Likely needs to be at the top level.
16:24:28 <ivan> q+
16:24:31 <garth> … Should this be under author “control” (maybe better “intent”); browsers aren’t gonna do it.
16:24:32 <wendyreid> ack ivan
16:25:18 <garth> Ivan: Might want to come back to UA hints.  Maybe want those in the manifest.
16:25:37 <garth> … we shouldn’t deal with this in bits and pieces.
16:25:58 <duga> q+
16:26:02 <garth> … EPUB hints (if any), should they move in?
16:26:05 <wendyreid> ack duga
16:26:49 <garth> Brady: We were vaguely successful in EPUB land (e.g., page progression direction, FL stuff).
16:27:09 <garth> … Should close this one, and open one that (hint) direction.
16:27:21 <garth> Ivan: Should note what worked in EPUB.
16:27:25 <garth> Luc: +1
16:28:04 <garth> Wendy: close this one, open a new one.  Brady will make new issue.
16:28:29 <garth> Ivan: those that work in EPUB.
16:28:51 <garth> Luc: Hadrien’s manifest comparison can help.
16:29:05 <garth> Wendy: close this one (#207)
16:29:17 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/222
16:29:30 <garth> … #222: Hints about resources in "default reading order" or "list of resources"
16:29:52 <garth> … those EPUB hints about linked resources (SVG, scripting)
16:29:57 <garth> q+
16:30:06 <garth> Ivan: which are values
16:30:34 <wendyreid> ack garth
16:30:54 <garth> Wendy: UA’s can check content if need be.
16:30:54 <wendyreid> garth: We don't find the hints particularly trustworthy, EPUB wasn't successful with this one
16:31:06 <garth> Garth: not really trustable, should close
16:31:10 <garth> Luv: burden on author
16:31:14 <garth> s/Luv/Luc/
16:31:21 <garth> Wendy: close!
16:31:37 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/260
16:31:47 <garth> … #250: Cover infoset requirements is unclear
16:31:52 <garth> … No more infoset
16:31:54 <garth> … close
16:31:59 <ivan> s/250/260/
16:32:22 <garth> … #327: Only allow embedded manifests
16:32:23 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/327
16:32:24 <garth> q+
16:32:28 <wendyreid> ack garth
16:32:57 <wendyreid> garth: Given the direction we have gone with audiobooks, the PEP is not required, that forces closure of this one by example, there won't be an embedded manifest in audiopubs
16:33:13 <garth> Wendy: good point
16:33:33 <garth> … any opposition?
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16:34:18 <garth> Ivan: audiobook is clearly saying seperate manifest.
16:34:52 <Avneesh> Entry page is still a must in WP.
16:35:22 <garth> … Should there be something in spec, if you’re on the Web, embedding should be a SHOULD.?
16:35:48 <garth> … schema.org engines only undersrtand manifest if included in HTML.
16:36:00 <garth> … Shouldn’t be required, but encouraged.
16:36:08 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:36:20 <garth> Wendy: Leave open?
16:36:23 <wendyreid> ack Bill_Kasdorf
16:36:31 <garth> Ivan: turn into advice to editor and close with that?
16:36:42 <garth> BillK: anything required?
16:37:15 <Avneesh> q+
16:37:19 <wendyreid> ack Avneesh
16:37:34 <garth> Ivan: if there is a PEP, manifest should be embedded (not requried, though).
16:37:45 <garth> Aveneesh: PEP is a MUST in WP.
16:37:49 <garth> s/e//
16:38:30 <garth> Wendy: For WP, advise “yes” on embed.
16:38:42 <garth> Ivan: Close with this change.
16:38:42 <garth> +1
16:38:57 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1
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16:39:29 <wendyreid> Resolution: For #327 we ask the editor to make the change that the manifest SHOULD be embedded into the PEP when present
16:39:40 <garth> +1
16:39:44 <ivan> +1
16:39:46 <laudrain> +1
16:39:58 <Avneesh> +1
16:40:16 <wendyreid> RESOLVED: For #327 we ask the editor to make the change that the manifest SHOULD be embedded into the PEP when present
16:40:21 <garth> Wendy: #342: Several pagelists?
16:40:40 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/342
16:40:44 <garth> … can closed
16:40:53 <garth> s/can/can be/
16:41:04 <garth> … Could be in an academic profile.
16:41:05 <Avneesh> +1
16:41:06 <garth> … close.
16:41:07 <geoffjukes> +1
16:41:10 <laudrain> +1
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16:41:23 <gpellegrino> +1
16:41:24 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/369
16:41:27 <garth> … #369: Example for a TOC as JSON in an Audiobook
16:41:48 <garth> … HTML is fine as optional and format as speced.
16:42:00 <laudrain> q?
16:42:23 <garth> … won’t always have TOC for audiobooks.
16:42:50 <garth> … Straight audio can cover may not have one.
16:43:09 <Bill_Kasdorf> s/can/and
16:44:50 <garth> … #376 is still open, about encoding manifest.
16:45:05 <garth> … #369 we can close now.
16:45:09 <garth> … close
16:45:16 <wendyreid> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/402
16:45:21 <garth> … #402: Optional HTML TOC
16:45:31 <garth> … can close, as we’ve deciced on HTML TOC.
16:45:37 <garth> … and be optional.
16:45:45 <garth> … close!
16:46:05 <laudrain> q?
16:46:45 <garth> Avneesh: TOC lots of issues.
16:47:06 <garth> Garth: Left #376 & #408 for futrue discussions.
16:47:09 <geoffjukes> +1 to closing
16:47:20 <garth> Wendy: not dropping topioc, but closing just these.
16:47:27 <garth> … End of list!
16:47:32 <garth> … AOB?
16:48:12 <garth> Garth: Populate: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-TB-_KCg97smmjcsbIVpi728qduOwESr3Og91-2Gtd4/edit#heading=h.4drfu5m5pp9w
16:48:34 <garth> Wendy: Do the right thing.
16:48:47 <laudrain> https://github.com/w3c/epubcheck/releases/tag/v4.2.0-rc
16:48:58 <garth> Luc: epubhceck 4.2 release candiate pushlished today — woo hoo!
16:49:19 <wendyreid> s/pushlished/published/
16:49:21 <garth> … Important for folks to test it!@
16:49:28 <garth> s/@//
16:50:03 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:50:03 <garth> … especially distributors.
16:50:15 <garth> Ivan: Will there be blog about this.
16:50:18 <wendyreid> ack Bill_Kasdorf
16:50:20 <garth> Luc: Yes, in process.
16:50:27 <garth> Billk: Timeline?
16:50:49 <garth> Luc: Final version — end of March.  Will be a bit behind that.
16:50:56 <garth> … into April.
16:51:33 <garth> Wendy: Thanks.
16:51:37 <garth> George: ASAP, though.
16:51:51 <garth> Wendy: End a few min early!
16:51:56 <garth> … Bye!
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16:52:40 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:52:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/03/18-pwg-minutes.html ivan
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16:52:40 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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