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23:50:47 <tzviya> Meeting: PBG Weekly Call - Asia time
23:50:51 <tzviya> Chair: Liisa
23:51:10 <tzviya> Date: 2019-03-05
23:51:35 <wendyreid> present+
23:58:59 <Karen> This is Publishing Business Group Asia Call
23:59:14 <Karen> Chairs: Daihei and Liisa
00:00:00 <Karen> Scribenick: Karen
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00:03:33 <Karen> Tzviya: Some people are permanently on irc and he may not be on the call
00:03:47 <Karen> Daihei: Let's start
00:03:55 <Karen> ...this the Japan/Asia friendly time call
00:03:59 <Karen> ...I am under the weather today
00:04:10 <Karen> ...so I will only chair the first part of this and then Liisa will join later
00:04:14 <Karen> ...and I will leave it to her
00:04:24 <Karen> ...I trust you have received the agenda
00:04:29 <Karen> ...Meeting times going forward
00:04:45 <Karen> ...in US it will change to daylight savings time on 10 March
00:04:51 <tzviya> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishingbg/2019Mar/0001.html
00:04:56 <Karen> present+ Liisa
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00:05:23 <Karen> Daihei: I just mentioned the meeting times; can you please continue?
00:05:26 <Karen> Liisa: sure
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00:05:31 <Karen> Chair: Liisa
00:05:51 <Karen> Liisa: for meeting times we will continue the alternate weeks of North America/Europe and Asia/Japan
00:06:11 <Karen> ...we are proposing that after daylight savings we change to 8:00pm EST, 5:00pm Pacific and 9:00am Japan
00:06:12 <liisamk> present+
00:06:16 <Karen> ...is that acceptable for everyone?
00:06:37 <Karen> JKamata: This time, 9:00am is perfect for me
00:06:43 <Karen> Liisa: we will send out an email
00:07:02 <Karen> ...I believe Garth has updated the invitation for the meeting for the new schedule we will keep for the next couple of months to see how this works
00:07:12 <Karen> Garth: I have not done the updates, but I can certainly do so
00:07:16 <Karen> present_ Garth
00:07:28 <Karen> Liisa: We will send out by email and one of chairs will send you request for the calendar
00:07:40 <Karen> Garth: and we are not changing the NA/Europe call, correct?
00:07:42 <Karen> Liisa: correct
00:08:00 <Karen> ...any other questions or comments on that before moving on
00:08:36 <Karen> Topic: Event Calendar
00:08:46 <liisamk> https://calendar.google.com/calendar?cid=NWhvMW05aTdsNHVzOXEzbWEyMGVlMmh2a2NAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ
00:08:52 <Karen> Liisa: We have started to publish a calendar and chairs of BG have started to put events in
00:09:09 <Karen> ...There was a question last week on the North American and Europe call if we should include regional events
00:09:13 <Karen> ...like country-specific events
00:09:31 <Karen> ...Chairs discussed and we believe we should include any events that you feel will be helpful. We'll leave that open-ended
00:09:42 <Karen> ...Luc wanted us to mention the EPUB Summit in June is coming up
00:09:51 <Karen> ...that should be a good event for members of that community
00:10:03 <Karen> ...Daihei, do you want to mention anything on the Japanese event before TPAC?
00:10:35 <Karen> Daihei: based on last discussion, I am asking if Sept 14-15 before TPAC in Fukuoka
00:10:47 <Karen> ...I think it depends upon professors' schedules
00:10:53 <Karen> ...I will let you know if I hear any progress
00:10:58 <Karen> Liisa: Great
00:11:22 <Karen> ...any questions about event calendar
00:11:32 <Karen> Liisa: ebookcraft is on the calendar; it will be a good event
00:11:55 <Karen> Topic: EPUB3.2
00:12:13 <Karen> Liisa: There has been discussion if we can get Publishing@W3C members to give us adoption testimonials
00:12:19 <Karen> ...and collect those as people adopt them
00:12:24 <Karen> ...think about whether you want to participate in that
00:12:26 <Karen> q+
00:12:36 <Karen> ack Karen
00:14:04 <Karen> Karen: there is support for EPUB3.2 testimonials from W3C communications perspective
00:14:30 <Karen> Liisa: EPUB3.2 beta is available and we recommend that you test it out and give feedback
00:14:37 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
00:14:37 <Karen> ...there has been some discussion on GitHub
00:14:42 <Karen> ...please do continue to raise any concerns
00:14:46 <Karen> ack Bill_Kasdorf
00:15:00 <Karen> Bill_Kasdorf: Can you remind us what the additional testing is in this release
00:15:17 <Karen> ...the EPUB4.2 Check I believe matches the EPUB3.2 spec
00:15:24 <Karen> Garth: It is not exact, but quite close
00:15:27 <tzviya> full release notes: https://github.com/w3c/epubcheck/releases
00:15:44 <Karen> Liisa: my technical people said things that have been depricated; warnings and errors are good things to check out
00:15:52 <Karen> Tzviya: I just put a link to the release notes in irc
00:15:57 <Karen> Liisa: Thank you, Tzviya
00:16:10 <Karen> ...and reminder that we are continuing the fund raising for EPUB Check
00:16:13 <Jkamata> q+
00:16:22 <Karen> ...we will continue the development but we need to continue to bring in funds
00:16:25 <Karen> ack JKamata
00:16:33 <tzviya> epubcheck contribution form: https://inclusivepublishing.org/epubcheckdonate/
00:16:39 <Karen> JKamata: About EPUB3 we found some message from EPUB Check
00:16:53 <Karen> ...some duplicated elements as warning
00:17:05 <Karen> ...elements, he or she shows message as @
00:17:09 <Karen> ...it is not suitable for us
00:17:14 <Karen> ...we offer EPUBCheck members
00:17:20 <Karen> ...to reconsider about the message
00:17:29 <Karen> ...want you to know about that
00:17:31 <tzviya> q+
00:17:42 <Karen> Liisa: The depricated elements you saw were around the image order?
00:17:51 <Karen> JKamata: the @ focus
00:17:55 <Karen> Garth: displacement
00:18:01 <Karen> ack Tzviya
00:18:03 <garth> q+
00:18:13 <Karen> Tzvyia: Please log issues in GitHub
00:18:18 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/epubcheck/issues
00:18:20 <Karen> ...if you have other concerns, please bring those up
00:18:34 <Karen> ...if you are uncomfortable logging issues, you can contact me or Romain Deltour
00:18:40 <Karen> JKamata: Thank you, Tzviya
00:18:47 <Karen> Liisa: can you clarify the warnings for us
00:19:00 <Karen> ...you have people in your market consider the book has failed because of this warning?
00:19:01 <garth> https://github.com/w3c/publ-epub-revision/issues/1242
00:19:10 <Karen> JKamata: yes, that is right; huge impact for Japanese market
00:19:14 <Karen> ack Garth
00:19:28 <Karen> Garth: I pasted in that issue on display sequence
00:19:40 <Karen> ...Matt has proposed not depricating that property value going forward
00:19:49 <Karen> ...seems to be general agreement; needs to be taken up by CG
00:20:06 <Karen> Liisa: Thanks, Garth for clarifying. We should note this is an issue for the Japanese market
00:20:12 <Karen> ...and a good example of why we should be testing
00:20:16 <Karen> JKamata: Thank you
00:20:28 <Karen> Liisa: any further EPUB Check discussions?
00:20:44 <Karen> ...moving on
00:20:52 <Karen> Topic: Reader Expectations for Pop-up Content
00:21:12 <Karen> Liisa: while we have you, Junko, can you tell us how the Japanese market indicates pop-ups?
00:21:19 <Jkamata> q+
00:21:23 <Karen> ...are you doing @ for the books you are publishing?
00:21:26 <Karen> ack JKamata
00:21:34 <tzviya> s/@/popped-up content
00:21:37 <Karen> JKamata: Actually I am not the person to see what happens
00:21:43 <Karen> ...with the pop-up message
00:21:50 <Karen> ...I believe Daihei knows more about that
00:22:00 <Karen> Daihei: Popped-up content did not happen yet
00:22:14 <Karen> ...for the children's books, there were some but limited
00:22:22 <Karen> ...children and picture oriented books the market is limited
00:22:40 <Karen> ...children publishers are not so interested in going into digital publishing market
00:22:46 <Karen> ...might be something in educational publishing
00:22:54 <Karen> ...but not so much popped-up content in trade publishing
00:23:07 <Karen> ...My personal opinion is that popped-up content could really help compared to print
00:23:41 <Karen> Liisa: I have been working on use cases for a handful of places where we use popped-up for things like notes, footnotes, children's picture books for images and text to make them easier to see
00:23:44 <Karen> ...for NA market
00:23:53 <Karen> ...some widely used, some less used use cases to write up
00:24:06 <Karen> ...answer keys on quizzes, flat kind of book pop-ups
00:24:21 <Karen> ...we discovered all the PubBG chairs have been sick, so I have not yet finished that write-up
00:24:26 <Karen> ...maybe end of this week
00:24:42 <Daihei_Shiohama> q+
00:24:43 <Karen> ...anyone else want to contribute to the Popped-up discussion?
00:24:52 <Karen> Bill_Kasdorf: those sound like good use cases
00:24:57 <Karen> ack Daihei_Shiohama
00:25:08 <Karen> Daihei: On the next Asia/Japan friendly time call
00:25:27 <Karen> ...I will reach out to the Japanese, Korean and Taiwanese and Chinese members to see if there are more use cases to report
00:25:35 <Karen> Liisa: That's great, thank you
00:25:54 <Karen> ...we have also started to collect some ideas for future discussion topics
00:26:02 <liisamk> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kq5zOMzOxvHkM8yAgoqao0M0-z5FBzqtWWoO9qLS8PM/edit#gid=0
00:26:12 <Karen> Topic: Topics for future PubBG calls
00:26:18 <Karen> ...please feel free to add or comment to things there
00:26:30 <Karen> ...and let us know about things that are of interest to you to discuss
00:26:42 <Karen> ...possibly next discussion will be relevant to EPUB Check discussion
00:26:59 <Karen> ...if still need to be validate; or if need to let go
00:27:14 <Karen> ...any questions or discussion on that?
00:27:39 <Karen> ...anything else anyone would like to talk about tonight/this morning?
00:27:55 <tzviya> rrsagent, make logs public
00:28:08 <Karen> Liisa: have a lovely rest of your evening or day
00:28:19 <Karen> ...we will convene again at one hour later in two weeks
00:28:24 <Karen> Daihei: thank you, Liisa
00:28:26 <tzviya> rrsagent, make minutes
00:28:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/03/05-pbg-minutes.html tzviya
00:28:29 <Karen> Liisa: Feel better, Daihei
00:28:33 <Karen> [adjourned]
00:28:40 <Karen> rrsagent, draft minutes
00:28:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/03/05-pbg-minutes.html Karen
00:28:55 <tzviya> rrsagent, make minutes
00:28:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/03/05-pbg-minutes.html tzviya
00:30:43 <tzviya> zakim, bye
00:30:43 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been tzviya, wendyreid, JKamata, Bill_Kasdorf, Daihei_Shiohama, Liisa, liisamk
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00:30:49 <tzviya> RRSAgent, bye
00:30:49 <RRSAgent> I see no action items