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16:42:58 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Business Group Telco
16:42:58 <ivan> Chair: luc
16:42:58 <ivan> Date: 2019-02-12
16:42:58 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishingbg/2019Feb/0000.html
16:42:58 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2019-02-12: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishingbg/2019Feb/0000.html
16:42:59 <ivan> Regrets+ rachel, Derek_Jackson, jensklingelhoefer, avneesh, liisa
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17:03:00 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
17:03:06 <dauwhe> topic: updates
17:03:18 <dauwhe> laudrain: we've started to talk about changing the times of bg calls
17:03:39 <dauwhe> ... every two weeks we'd have a Euro-friendly time, and and two weeks later an Asia-friendly time
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17:04:18 <garth> Garth: I should have updated all the invites per what Luc is saying now.
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17:04:26 <rkwright> present+ rkwright
17:04:27 <dauwhe> ... so one call would be at 0 UTC, and one at 17UTC
17:04:40 <Bill_Kasdorf> I got eight updates--should I accept them all?
17:04:49 <laudrain> q?
17:04:59 <dauwhe> MURATA: can we make the euro call one hour earlier?
17:05:10 <dauwhe> laudrain: it's the same agenda
17:05:20 <dauwhe> ivan: is the japanese call in one week or two weeks?
17:05:23 <dauwhe> laudrain: two weeks
17:05:25 <garth> PBG Meetings:
17:05:26 <garth>              Tues Feb 12th -- 12:00p Eastern (repeat every four weeks)
17:05:27 <garth>              Tues Feb 26th -- 7:00p  Eastern (repeat every four weeks)
17:06:01 <dauwhe> laudrain: the agenda of today will be the asia-friendly agenda of two weeks from now
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17:06:29 <dauwhe> ivan: this means we will have BG only once a month, for Luc and I
17:06:42 <dauwhe> laudrain: yes, unless there is some urgent subject that needs a decision
17:06:51 <George> present+ George
17:06:58 <laudrain> q?
17:07:05 <ivan> q+
17:07:09 <dauwhe> ivan: I am not absolutely sure I like this
17:07:17 <laudrain> ack ivan
17:07:20 <jeff> present+
17:07:22 <ivan> q-
17:07:34 <dauwhe> MURATA: can a meeting make a decision? Because two weeks later there will be another meeting with different people
17:07:39 <dauwhe> ... which can make a decision
17:07:44 <dauwhe> laudrain: we can share decisions
17:07:53 <dauwhe> ivan: it will be very far away in terms of time
17:08:24 <dauwhe> ... my feeling was that we would have, every second week, a meeting like now, and every second week an asia-friendly meeting
17:08:32 <dauwhe> ... people could join both, or once
17:08:45 <dauwhe> ... so we would meet every two weeks at least
17:08:53 <dauwhe> ... this way there is one BG call per month
17:09:01 <garth> q+
17:09:02 <mateus> +1 to ivan
17:09:06 <dauwhe> ... I don't think this will help in maintaining a regular discussion
17:09:15 <laudrain> ack garth
17:09:16 <MURATA> +q
17:09:18 <dauwhe> garth: I was going to split the difference
17:09:24 <tzviya> present+
17:09:35 <dauwhe> ... having a BG call once a week seems too frequent, even if it alternates
17:09:52 <dauwhe> ... but maybe have a meeting every two weeks, but not with the same agenda
17:10:04 <laudrain> ack garth
17:10:07 <dauwhe> MURATA: sometimes because of agenda people have to attend anyway
17:10:09 <laudrain> ack MURATA
17:10:21 <dauwhe> ... for example today has ISO topics, so I feel obligated to attend
17:10:43 <laudrain> q?
17:10:50 <dauwhe> ivan: so if we have alternate time zones each week but repeating agenda, it wold be better
17:10:54 <laudrain> q+
17:10:58 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
17:11:05 <wolfgang> s/wold/would/
17:11:14 <tzviya> q+
17:11:20 <Daihei> q+
17:11:22 <dauwhe> ... having one meeting a month is detrimental
17:11:29 <dauwhe> laudrain: the idea is to have the same agenda
17:11:32 <garth> q?
17:11:49 <laudrain> ack laudrain
17:11:52 <dauwhe> ... ivan, you think it should be every week (with alternate time zones)
17:11:57 <laudrain> ack Bill_Kasdorf
17:12:02 <Rachel> present+
17:12:05 <dauwhe> Bill_Kasdorf: I'm persuaded that every week alternating makes sense
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17:12:27 <dauwhe> ... if there's only a once-a-month call, then you might miss two months if you have to miss a meeting
17:12:30 <laudrain> ack tzviya
17:12:40 <rkwright> q+
17:12:42 <dauwhe> tzviya: the call that I held for the PWG asian members...
17:12:58 <dauwhe> ... those who participated were not interested in a call at an asia-friendly time
17:13:09 <dauwhe> ... we should ask the people in Asia what they want
17:13:24 <Bill_Kasdorf> Avneesh has an issue with both times as well
17:13:30 <dauwhe> ... it's not about what looks better, it's what is actually convenient
17:13:37 <laudrain> ack Daihei
17:13:43 <dauwhe> Daihei: let me review
17:13:55 <dauwhe> ... every other week, was a question
17:14:11 <dauwhe> ... we felt strongly we should set up the time which Asian people could participate better
17:14:25 <dauwhe> ... one of the directions of PBG in 2019 is to streamline discussions
17:14:36 <dauwhe> ... and moving towards industry interests
17:14:41 <dauwhe> ... and then conveyed to the WG
17:14:55 <dauwhe> ... the scope and agenda should be narrowed
17:15:00 <laudrain> q+
17:15:04 <dauwhe> ... and then have one call friendly to europe, and one to asia
17:15:14 <dauwhe> ... and talk about the same agenda
17:15:26 <dauwhe> ... and we'll have the minutes of the first call as material for the second call
17:15:33 <MURATA> +q
17:15:44 <dauwhe> ... and most US people can join both meetings
17:15:57 <dauwhe> ... the second meeting is a good time to make a decision
17:16:18 <dauwhe> ... I'm not going against the once a week idea
17:16:31 <dauwhe> ... but I want to remind you of why we proposed today's schedule
17:16:33 <laudrain> https://w3c.github.io/publ-bg/Meetings/Minutes/2019/2019-01-29-pbg
17:16:47 <dauwhe> laudrain: I will put the link where we discussed this option, and approved it
17:17:20 <laudrain> ack rkwright
17:17:24 <dauwhe> rkwright: I'm concerned about duplicate agendas, but Daihei addressed that
17:17:26 <laudrain> q-
17:17:42 <laudrain> ack MURATA
17:18:01 <dauwhe> MURATA: what Daihei said is interesting... everyone is going to suffer in the same way
17:18:14 <dauwhe> ... when ISO topics are discussed, I am the liason from SC34.
17:18:15 <laudrain> q+
17:18:27 <dauwhe> ... if I'm here I can explain, but if I'm not here I can't
17:18:42 <dauwhe> ... will European people be able to understand what is going on in ISO?
17:19:21 <dauwhe> laudrain: we have reorganized the agenda. the first section is just informational--not discussion
17:19:36 <dauwhe> ... some european people involved in ISO, like me, could explain
17:20:01 <dauwhe> ... and if questions came up, they could be addressed on the next call
17:20:27 <ivan> q+
17:20:31 <ivan> ack laudrain
17:20:32 <dauwhe> ... we can try the every week thing; I think it's too many calls but we could try it
17:20:40 <laudrain> ack ivan
17:21:04 <dauwhe> ivan: when you say too many calls, it's the same as now
17:21:13 <laudrain> q+
17:21:20 <dauwhe> ... for US people it may be a lot of calls, but they can choose which calls
17:21:53 <dauwhe> laudrain: for Liisa or Daihei, it will be a call every week.
17:22:10 <dauwhe> ivan: US people can choose. They can choose which call to join.
17:22:17 <dauwhe> ... they are not obliged to be on all calls
17:22:32 <garth> PBG Meetings:
17:22:33 <garth>              Tues Feb 12th -- 12:00p Eastern (repeat every two weeks)
17:22:34 <garth>              Tues Feb 19th -- 7:00p  Eastern (repeat every two weeks)
17:22:46 <dauwhe> laudrain: so the resolution would be alternate-time calls, but every week
17:22:58 <laudrain> resolution : alternate time calls evry week with same agenda
17:24:07 <dauwhe> laudrain: any objection?
17:24:10 <wolfgang> +1
17:24:33 <dauwhe> laudrain: we will try and see how it goes?
17:25:02 <Karen> present+ Karen
17:25:03 <dauwhe> topic: ISO work
17:25:15 <dauwhe> laudrain: in 2019 there will be three topics starting
17:25:30 <dauwhe> ... 3.0.1 as international standard
17:25:40 <dauwhe> ... new work item on EPUB a11y
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17:25:52 <dauwhe> ... and LCP/DRM for EPUB
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17:26:12 <George> q+
17:26:13 <dauwhe> ... it's starting; there are meetings scheduled in Milano at the end of March, and at the end of may in Ottawa
17:26:20 <dauwhe> ... and then in Fukuoka before TPAC
17:26:23 <laudrain> ack laudrain
17:26:32 <laudrain> ack George
17:26:47 <dauwhe> George: a comment: we've been asked not to call it DRM for EPUB, we don't want to use that trademark with an ISO specification
17:26:51 <laurent_> q+
17:27:12 <dauwhe> George: this is just a matter of the trademark
17:27:27 <dauwhe> ... and don't want another organization using the trademark
17:27:32 <laudrain> ack laurent_
17:27:42 <dauwhe> laurent: I will propose it's called DRM for Electronic Publications
17:27:54 <dauwhe> MURATA: I've already explained that possiblility, and they're OK with that
17:28:06 <dauwhe> laudrain: this work is starting; we'll make you aware after the meetings
17:28:07 <laudrain> q?
17:28:16 <dauwhe> Topic: event calendar
17:28:31 <dauwhe> laudrain: we've planned to set up a google calendar, to collect publishing industry events
17:28:41 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
17:28:41 <Zakim> Present: wendyreid, ivan, wolfgang, laudrain, JKamata, daihei, cristina, dauwhe, mateus, Bill_Kasdorf, jyoshii, Garth, rkwright, George, jeff, tzviya, Rachel, Karen, laurent_
17:28:43 <dauwhe> ... any of us can send events of interest to the chairs
17:28:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see Cristina, George, jeff, Daihei, garth, rkwright, MURATA, Bill_Kasdorf, mateus, Jonathan_Greenberg, laudrain, JKamata, wolfgang, RRSAgent, Zakim, Karen, jyoshii, ivan,
17:28:44 <Zakim> ... wendyreid, tzviya, dauwhe, Rachel, bigbluehat, dmitry
17:28:49 <dauwhe> ... and all can read
17:29:04 <dauwhe> ... regionally or globally
17:29:05 <laudrain> q?
17:29:09 <dauwhe> ... any questions?
17:29:22 <dauwhe> ... send any events to the chairs.
17:29:28 <dauwhe> topic: next steps for EPUB 3.2
17:29:40 <dauwhe> laudrain: we are on the verge of seeing EPUBCheck validating EPUB 3.2
17:29:46 <dauwhe> ... it's being worked on by DAISY
17:29:56 <dauwhe> ... and there's been a 4.2 alpha already
17:30:09 <dauwhe> ... there are small tweaks to the spec itself
17:30:25 <dauwhe> ... but when the first beta of 4.2 is released, scheduled on Feb 25
17:30:39 <dauwhe> ... we hope there will be strong stability of the EPUB 3.2 report from the Community Group
17:30:48 <dauwhe> ... then the next question will be getting support for adoption
17:31:02 <dauwhe> q+
17:31:16 <laudrain> ack dauwhe
17:31:25 <dauwhe> ... and we should communicate that around the world
17:31:41 <laudrain> q+
17:31:55 <garth> q?
17:32:04 <dauwhe> dauwhe: note that most of us are already producing EPUB 3.2 :)
17:32:29 <dauwhe> ... but it may take a while for reading system ingestion pipelines to upgrade to the new EPUBCheck
17:32:41 <dauwhe> ... and thus allow the new features allowed by 3.2 that aren't in 3.1
17:33:15 <dauwhe> laudrain: we could demo a file that is validated by the new EPUBCheck and also use ACE
17:33:30 <laudrain> q?
17:33:36 <dauwhe> ... it would be nice to have a practical event
17:33:38 <laudrain> ack laudrain
17:33:57 <dauwhe> laudrain: that ends the informational part of the meeting
17:34:11 <dauwhe> ... now we hope to discuss more about the AB meetup
17:34:17 <dauwhe> topic: AB meetup
17:34:27 <dauwhe> laudrain: this brought interest in local meetups
17:34:39 <dauwhe> ... liisa would have made the report, but she is ill
17:34:50 <dauwhe> ... could someone else recap the meeting for us?
17:35:03 <dauwhe> tzviya: I thought it was successful
17:35:16 <dauwhe> ... it showed the pub community what working on web standards is like
17:35:28 <dauwhe> ... and it showed people on the AB and W3T about the business side of publishing
17:35:57 <dauwhe> ... Dave's history of EPUB starting in 1999, and the stories that Liisa told about interop told a great story of what it's like to work on EPUB, and how it differs from the web
17:36:27 <dauwhe> ... and good info was shared by berjon & tink about the time committments/timelines for working on browsers
17:36:31 <dauwhe> ... it was a bit terrifying
17:37:12 <dauwhe> ... it was a small group--twenty to thirty. there were a lot of side conversations. it was a chance to build relationships.
17:37:23 <dauwhe> ... that was part of the success. it was fun.
17:37:45 <dauwhe> ... selected speakers and targeted topics were a key to success
17:37:53 <dauwhe> ... i think such events would be valuable in the future
17:38:04 <Karen> +1 Tzviya for organizing the program and speakers
17:38:09 <dauwhe> laudrain: we should propose this type of event as an alternative to conferences
17:38:17 <dauwhe> ... and could be good networking
17:38:27 <dauwhe> ... how could we manage to set up these kinds of meetups locally
17:38:36 <tzviya> and +1 to Karen for all the work in organizing the event in such a short time!
17:38:42 <dauwhe> Daihei: Yoshii-san and I had a discussion about this
17:38:57 <dauwhe> ... first of all, taking the opportunity for a F2F is important
17:39:16 <dauwhe> ... having actual conversation is good
17:39:49 <dauwhe> ... taking advantage of TPAC in Fukuoka, we talked about APL etc and discussed with Keio, and organize some sort of publishing summit
17:39:58 <dauwhe> ... doesn't have to be same as in SF two years ago
17:40:06 <dauwhe> ... but have something similar to AB meetup
17:40:23 <dauwhe> ... and have atmosphere where free conversation is possible, and have both business and tech people present personally
17:40:24 <MURATA> Before TPAC or after TPAC?
17:40:32 <dauwhe> ... we haven't figured out details
17:40:39 <dauwhe> ... during, before, or after
17:40:44 <ivan> q+
17:40:47 <dauwhe> ... APL and W3C Keio can coordinate
17:40:52 <dauwhe> ... and then we will present to PBG
17:40:56 <tzviya> q+
17:40:56 <laudrain> ack ivan
17:41:09 <MURATA> ISO meetings (in particular, JWG7) will happen before TPAC.
17:41:11 <dauwhe> ivan: two questions, one is before or after?
17:41:16 <laudrain> q+
17:41:21 <dauwhe> ...and where? at the place of TPAC or in Tokyo?
17:42:10 <dauwhe> tzviya: the summit in SFO was valuable, for those of us involved in W3C doing something in TPAC is hard. We're often triple-booked. I'd encourage doing it before or after rather than during
17:42:17 <Daihei> q＋
17:42:21 <dauwhe> laudrain: the ISO meetings will be the week before TPAC
17:42:42 <dauwhe> q+
17:42:48 <laudrain> ack tzviya
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17:42:49 <Julian_calderazi> present+
17:42:54 <laudrain> ack laudrain
17:43:09 <dauwhe> Daihei: taking advantage of TPAC in Fukuoka, with people already there
17:43:42 <dauwhe> ... it would be very difficult to organize away from TPAC
17:44:02 <dauwhe> ... we want to do in Fukuoka
17:44:10 <laudrain> ack dauwhe
17:44:11 <ivan> +1 for Fukuoka
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17:44:23 <laurent_> q?
17:44:38 <laurent_> present+ laurent_
17:44:44 <laudrain> dauwhe: AB Meetup exchange with business people
17:45:02 <laudrain> … but business people not at TPAC
17:45:03 <Rachel> +1 dauwhe
17:45:07 <mateus> +1
17:45:11 <wendyreid> +1
17:45:13 <ivan> q+
17:45:15 <Karen> q+
17:45:21 <laudrain> ack ivan
17:45:50 <dauwhe> ivan: It's a problem, we did succeed in getting people in getting people to the Hotel California
17:45:59 <dauwhe> ... which were not the usual suspects
17:46:12 <laudrain> q+
17:46:21 <laudrain> ack Karen
17:46:51 <dauwhe> Karen: I wanted to make sure that if the event happens during TPAC, you need to get in touch with meeting planners at W3C, like Naomi and and Alexandra
17:47:13 <dauwhe> ... there are a lot of logistical things, and would need to modify contracts unless it's entirely offsite
17:47:24 <dauwhe> ... and we may need to think about weekends or evenings
17:47:31 <Daihei> q＋
17:47:32 <Rachel> q+
17:47:33 <dauwhe> laudrain: I agree with Ivan
17:47:51 <Rachel> q+ daihei
17:47:53 <tzviya> q+
17:47:56 <laudrain> q?
17:47:56 <dauwhe> ... with Daihei can make something interesting from this opportunity
17:48:01 <laudrain> ack laudrain
17:48:12 <laudrain> ack Rachel
17:48:13 <dauwhe> Rachel: Daihei added himself first
17:48:23 <laudrain> ack Daihei
17:48:25 <dauwhe> Daihei: To follow up on Karen's point
17:48:41 <dauwhe> ... Murai and Yoshi are involved
17:48:53 <dauwhe> ... and ??? will help coordinate logistics
17:49:03 <ivan> s/???/Naomi
17:49:07 <tzviya> s/???/Naomi Yoshizawa
17:49:13 <dauwhe> Rachel: my concern about doing this during TPAC, in addition to what Dave said
17:49:25 <laudrain> q?
17:49:38 <dauwhe> ... it does isolate us from the rest of the W3C community, thus we can't participate in other things, we can't contribute to other groups
17:49:54 <dauwhe> ... I was invited to a11y group meetings, but I couldn't because of a publishing event
17:50:04 <dauwhe> ... which makes it harder to do outreach for publishing
17:50:06 <mateus> +1
17:50:09 <wendyreid> +1
17:50:11 <dauwhe> ... I won't want to end up in a silo
17:50:14 <laudrain> ack tzviya
17:50:20 <dauwhe> +10^1100
17:50:38 <ivan> q?
17:50:40 <laudrain> q+
17:50:40 <ivan> q+
17:50:52 <dauwhe> tzviya: there were many people in Burlingame from a11y, CSSWG, etc. who would have wanted to attend but had conflicts
17:51:05 <dauwhe> ... it built a wall between publishing and the rest of W3C
17:51:12 <Daihei> q＋
17:51:19 <dauwhe> laudrain: I don't know if this might be an evening networking event
17:51:23 <laudrain> ack ivan
17:51:26 <dauwhe> ivan: I agree with the concerns
17:51:27 <laudrain> ack laudrain
17:51:37 <laudrain> dahei q+
17:51:42 <laudrain> q?
17:51:44 <dauwhe> ... I thought that Daihei's idea was before or after TPAC, which would avoid the problems
17:51:48 <Karen> +1 before or after TPAC in Japan
17:51:49 <laudrain> q+ Daihei
17:51:51 <dauwhe> ... but it is a longer stay in japan for some
17:52:12 <dauwhe> Daihei: we would like to extend and spirit of the AB meetup
17:52:17 <dauwhe> ... to the TPAC meeting
17:52:30 <dauwhe> ... we have no intention to obstruct any opportunities at tpac
17:52:47 <dauwhe> ... so it doesn't work during TPAC time to have a publishing meeting
17:52:58 <dauwhe> ... either before or after, or outside of TPAC programmed time
17:53:04 <laudrain> q?
17:53:09 <laudrain> ack Daihei
17:53:09 <dauwhe> ... I'll bring this back to APL and W3C/Keio
17:53:17 <laudrain> q?
17:53:30 <Karen> +1 Daihei's approach to evaluate further and figure it out
17:53:50 <dauwhe> laudrain: we also had planned a discussion on pop-up content
17:53:59 <dauwhe> ... expectations we have as a reader or as a publisher
17:54:11 <dauwhe> ... why would we use popped-up content
17:54:27 <dauwhe> ... do we have strong opinions about this? For footnotes or other things?
17:54:42 <dauwhe> ... and share the value of developing more precise standards or best practices?
17:54:50 <dauwhe> q+
17:54:59 <laudrain> ack dauwhe
17:55:07 <wolfgang> q+
17:55:17 <laudrain> dauwhe: EPUB spec doesn’t stop this
17:55:31 <laudrain> … can of worms
17:55:57 <tzviya> q+
17:56:02 <dauwhe> ... if we gather expectations, we have a better chance of this coding working without JS
17:56:11 <dauwhe> ... by using epub:type
17:56:34 <laudrain> ack wolfgang
17:56:34 <dauwhe> wolfgang: I see two use cases
17:56:38 <dauwhe> ... one is a glossary
17:56:48 <dauwhe> ... such a popup might be good
17:56:48 <laudrain> thanms garth
17:57:14 <dauwhe> ... if you have a second EPUB as an external source dictionary, click on a world and get a dictionary entry
17:57:24 <dauwhe> ... there is an EPUB spec for that
17:57:33 <laudrain> q?
17:57:47 <Bill_Kasdorf> figures and tables popping up would be useful too
17:57:47 <laudrain> acl tzviya
17:58:02 <dauwhe> tzviya: I can think of hundreds of uses, however I will remind everyone that we're phasing out epub:type and phase in aria roles
17:58:12 <laudrain> q?
17:58:14 <dauwhe> ... and those footnote popups don't work in most reading systems
17:58:18 <dauwhe> ... and they are unreliable
17:58:19 <laudrain> ack tzviya
17:58:27 <mateus> +1 to no epub:type; use ARIA roles
17:58:39 <laudrain> q+
17:58:54 <dauwhe> laudrain: we are speaking about expectations
17:59:07 <dauwhe> ... today EPUB 3 is running with epub:type
17:59:36 <dauwhe> ... and aria roles are devoted to a11y
18:00:11 <dauwhe> laudrain: next call is next week at 0 UTC
18:00:27 <dauwhe> garth: and this is the same agenda as this week's call
18:00:38 <dauwhe> laudrain: yes, I will send agenda with link to minutes
18:01:07 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:01:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/02/12-pbg-minutes.html ivan
18:01:08 <ivan> zakim, bye
18:01:08 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
18:01:08 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
18:01:08 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been wendyreid, ivan, wolfgang, laudrain, JKamata, daihei, cristina, dauwhe, mateus, Bill_Kasdorf, jyoshii, Garth, rkwright, George,
18:01:08 <Zakim> Zakim has left #pbg
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