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21:00:51 <alejandra> Meeeting: DCAT-Telecon2019.02.06
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21:00:57 <alejandra> chair: alejandra
21:01:06 <SimonCox> present+
21:01:23 <alejandra> regrets+ DaveBrowning
21:01:36 <alejandra> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2019.02.06
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21:02:56 <alejandra> rrsagent, generate minutes v2
21:02:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/02/06-dxwgdcat-minutes.html alejandra
21:04:59 <alejandra> s/Meeeting: DCAT-Telecon2019.02.06/
21:05:02 <alejandra> Meeting: DCAT-Telecon2019.02.06
21:05:12 <alejandra> rrsagent, generate minutes v2
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21:07:03 <alejandra> q?
21:07:39 <alejandra> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2019.02.06
21:07:51 <alejandra> * Simon let us know when you are back
21:08:15 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:08:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/02/06-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:08:19 <alejandra> Topic: Confirm agenda
21:08:48 <alejandra> s/* Simon let us know when you are back/
21:09:14 <AndreaPerego> scribenick: AndreaPerego
21:09:33 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: Any other topic to discuss?
21:10:06 <AndreaPerego> ... And what about thinking about a new PWD?
21:10:10 <alejandra> q?
21:10:29 <alejandra> Topic: Approve minutes from last meeting
21:10:39 <alejandra> https://www.w3.org/2019/01/30-dxwgdcat-minutes
21:10:54 <alejandra> +1
21:10:58 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:11:00 <PWinstanley> +1
21:11:17 <AndreaPerego> SimonCox: +1
21:11:22 <AndreaPerego> resolved: Approve minutes from last meeting
21:11:28 <alejandra> Topic: Outstanding actions
21:11:33 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:11:41 <alejandra> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
21:12:08 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: I made some progress on the very old ones
21:12:12 <PWinstanley> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/726
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21:12:28 <riccardoAlbertoni_> present+
21:12:48 <alejandra> closing #173, #174, #197
21:13:28 <AndreaPerego> close action-173
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21:13:32 <AndreaPerego> close action-174
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21:13:38 <AndreaPerego> close action-197
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21:13:51 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:14:29 <alejandra> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/134
21:16:16 <alejandra> AndreaPerego: I will check the current draft and see what text could be integrated
21:16:25 <alejandra> it could go on Introduction: https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#introduction
21:16:40 <alejandra> or in Motivation for change: https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#motivation
21:18:35 <alejandra> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/282
21:19:16 <alejandra> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/270 can be closed
21:19:26 <alejandra> close action-270
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21:19:49 <alejandra> close action-278
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21:19:50 <alejandra> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/278
21:21:07 <alejandra> q?
21:21:21 <alejandra> Topic: Public comments list
21:21:24 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:21:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/02/06-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:21:35 <alejandra> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-comments/
21:21:45 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: The most recent ones have been addressed, right?
21:22:26 <AndreaPerego> ... We still have to reply to Ine (and Luca).
21:22:40 <alejandra> AndreaPerego: About Ine's reply, I'll check if we are addressing the issue
21:23:08 <alejandra> action AndreaPerego reply to Ine's message on comments list
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21:23:22 <alejandra> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-comments/2019Jan/0005.html
21:23:25 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:24:21 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: This was fixed in the UCR via a PR, and Jaro replied to the mail.
21:24:26 <AndreaPerego> q-
21:24:27 <alejandra> ack AndreaPerego
21:24:31 <alejandra> q?
21:25:30 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: Stephen raised some issues in GH, but we haven't replied on the mailing list.
21:25:41 <alejandra> q?
21:25:52 <AndreaPerego> ... Should we do that, as per possible W3C requirements?
21:26:31 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: I would try to be pragmatic here. What is important is getting feedback.
21:26:40 <alejandra> action alejandra check comments list for missing replies
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21:26:52 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:27:04 <alejandra> Topic: Review open DCAT pull requests if required
21:27:34 <alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/735
21:27:44 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: Please review outstanding PRs - some following up from yesterday's sprint
21:28:12 <alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/730
21:28:25 <alejandra> q?
21:28:25 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: There's also one related to the "bag of files" issue. Should we wait for Makx's review?
21:28:36 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: Let's wait for Makx.
21:29:26 <AndreaPerego> SimonCox: I tried to fold his comments in the current examples, so better wait for him. It has no impact on the rest we are doing.
21:29:46 <alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22due+for+closing%22+label%3A%22dcat%22
21:30:08 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: So, what is left is next sprint planning. And some open issues ^^
21:30:12 <alejandra> q?
21:30:20 <AndreaPerego> ... Should we look at them?
21:30:27 <AndreaPerego> SimonCox: +1 from me.
21:30:55 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: About https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/224
21:31:09 <alejandra> q?
21:31:15 <AndreaPerego> ... So, should this be for the UCR to decide if it should go in?
21:31:16 <riccardoAlbertoni_> yes I agree
21:31:19 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: +1
21:31:30 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:31:39 <alejandra> ack AndreaPerego
21:31:54 <alejandra> AndreaPerego: this can be linked to another action for me
21:32:03 <alejandra> ... about including examples about licensing and rights
21:32:15 <alejandra> ... and how to use the different properties
21:32:42 <alejandra> ... such as odrl:hasPolicy etc
21:32:56 <alejandra> ... I'll get in touch with Nick
21:33:23 <alejandra> action AndreaPerego to add examples related to licensing and rights (see https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/224)
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21:33:42 <alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/81
21:34:04 <alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/651
21:34:36 <alejandra> final 'due for closing': https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/80
21:34:42 <AndreaPerego> About licences and rights there's already a issue in GH: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/676
21:35:50 <AndreaPerego> SimonCox: About #80, this is in a non-normative part, and I'm unsure how long I should go.
21:36:10 <AndreaPerego> ... I tried to illustrate how this alignment with qualified forms can work.
21:36:41 <AndreaPerego> ... Maybe is just for corner cases.
21:37:04 <AndreaPerego> ... But this issue was not addressed systematically.
21:37:28 <AndreaPerego> ... If anyone has an interest in it, please step in. It might end up in a normative section.
21:37:53 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: Indeed it may be a niche thing - and I see the requirement is yet to be approved.
21:38:08 <alejandra> q?
21:38:21 <AndreaPerego> ... Do we keep the issue for the moment, or we are going to close it as we won't be able to address it?
21:39:06 <AndreaPerego> SimonCox: My understanding is a low concern. We can close it. Maybe with a note saying we were not going on with it.
21:39:25 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: Can you make a proposal then?
21:39:27 <AndreaPerego> SimonCox: Yes.
21:40:00 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: So I'll tag the issue so that we can come back to it if we have time.
21:40:18 <alejandra> proposed: label issue 80 as wontfix and close it adding a comment that we are not going to deal with this issue as too specific/niche
21:40:22 <SimonCox> +1
21:40:25 <alejandra> +1
21:40:31 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:40:32 <riccardoAlbertoni_> +1
21:40:34 <PWinstanley> +1
21:40:44 <alejandra> resolved:  label issue 80 as wontfix and close it adding a comment that we are not going to deal with this issue as too specific/niche
21:41:38 <alejandra> Milestone: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/14
21:41:51 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: Should we now look in other issues?
21:42:38 <AndreaPerego> ... Quite a few of them are editorial, and Dave is assigned to it.
21:42:40 <alejandra> q?
21:42:51 <SimonCox> q+ to ask about editor/contributor list
21:43:00 <AndreaPerego> s/to it/to them/
21:43:11 <alejandra> ack SimonCox
21:43:11 <Zakim> SimonCox, you wanted to ask about editor/contributor list
21:43:52 <AndreaPerego> SimonCox: About contributors. I think a couple of people on the call made quite a few contributions, so it might be worth giving them full credit.
21:43:59 <alejandra> q?
21:44:03 <PWinstanley> +1
21:44:08 <alejandra> +1
21:45:37 <PWinstanley> q+
21:45:38 <AndreaPerego> SimonCox: About the issue concerning Annette proposal, it is probably still incomplete and relates to a specific case of API automation.
21:45:56 <alejandra> ack PWinstanley
21:46:12 <AndreaPerego> ... The scope is a bit different from the general one.
21:46:16 <SimonCox> re list of DCAT editors ... to add riccardoAlbertoni_ and AndreaPerego to list of editors in recognition of their substantial contributions to the document
21:47:03 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: I think we should still give it a chance to make the point.
21:48:09 <AndreaPerego> ... I also think the machine-to-machine perspective is worth being considered.
21:48:36 <alejandra> q?
21:48:43 <AndreaPerego> SimonCox: One of the issues is that I don't completely catch Annette's proposal.
21:49:16 <AndreaPerego> ... So I'm concerned on the impact that it may have on the spec.
21:49:59 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: I don't disagree, but I think that trying somehow to think of people writing tools when talking about services.
21:50:07 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:50:43 <SimonCox> I'm looking at Annete's proposal here https://agreiner.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#dcat-scope
21:50:47 <alejandra> q?
21:50:48 <AndreaPerego> ... We need to put a bridge.
21:50:54 <SimonCox> s/Annete/Annette/
21:51:43 <alejandra> ack AndreaPerego
21:51:49 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: I do see the value. What is unclear is why we need, e.g, a class instead of a property for this.
21:52:34 <alejandra> AndreaPerego: I was also trying to catch the point made by Annette - one of the things we should consider whether it is or not in scope of DCAT
21:52:44 <alejandra> ... one of the examples was about the description of the interface
21:52:54 <alejandra> ... she was talking about human targetted description of it
21:53:16 <alejandra> ... maybe this information should not be in DCAT but in the API description linked from DCAT such as Swagger, OpenAPI, etc
21:53:27 <alejandra> ... this is what people are using for doing this job
21:53:54 <alejandra> ... description of search capabilities
21:54:18 <PWinstanley> +1 to AndreaPerego , but we need to be explicit about this
21:54:18 <alejandra> ... we are not saying how to do these things within DCAT, we point to other language specifications that are designed to do the job
21:54:41 <alejandra> ... from a developer perspective, I'd be happy to reuse what is out there rather than having to adapt my code
21:54:42 <PWinstanley> we need to explicitly delegate
21:54:51 <alejandra> ... I may not be catching completely the point
21:54:59 <alejandra> ... but we could consider if the requirements are or not in scope
21:55:01 <alejandra> q?
21:55:05 <riccardoAlbertoni_> +1 to AndreaPerego consideration about the scope
21:55:41 <PWinstanley> ? does Hydra have something to offer too?
21:56:10 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: Maybe it would be good to have an example to clarify the points.
21:56:35 <AndreaPerego> SimonCox: Yes, I think we should ask Annette to provide examples to move the discussion forward.
21:56:45 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:57:01 <SimonCox> In order to understand the scope of Annette's proposal, need to see a worked example, then we can tell if AndreaPerego response is suffucient
21:57:14 <alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/675
21:57:37 <alejandra> q?
21:57:41 <alejandra> ack AndreaPerego
21:58:08 <alejandra> AndreaPerego: wanted to reply about PWinstanley comment about Hydra
21:58:18 <alejandra> ... there is one example by Luca Trani
21:58:27 <alejandra> ... and it is yet another way of doing things
21:58:40 <alejandra> ... we don't need to enumerate the specs
21:58:48 <alejandra> ... we say 'use what is out there to do the job'
21:59:04 <riccardoAlbertoni_> yess
21:59:25 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: Thanks. We can then close the meeting.
21:59:40 <PWinstanley> bye
21:59:42 <riccardoAlbertoni_> Thanks a lot, bye
21:59:58 <AndreaPerego> [meeting adjourned]
22:00:07 <SimonCox> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
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22:02:01 <AndreaPerego> s/action AndreaPerego reply to Ine's message on comments list/action: AndreaPerego to reply to Ine's message on comments list/
22:02:08 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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22:02:51 <AndreaPerego> s/action alejandra check comments list for missing replies/action: alejandra to check comments list for missing replies/
22:02:53 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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