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16:48:10 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Business Group Telco
16:48:10 <ivan> Chair: liisa
16:48:10 <ivan> Date: 2019-01-29
16:48:10 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishingbg/2019Jan/0020.html
16:48:10 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2019-01-29: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishingbg/2019Jan/0020.html
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16:54:03 <ivan> regrets+ Garth
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17:01:12 <Karen> scribenick: Karen
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17:01:20 <jeff> present+
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17:01:47 <Karen> Luc: we have agenda sent by Liisa
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17:02:06 <Karen> Luc: we will wait another minute or so
17:02:42 <Karen> ...Let's start
17:02:51 <Karen> ...Liisa sent an agenda prepared with Daihei and me
17:02:53 <ivan> present+
17:03:04 <Karen> ...resolution taken to make everyone aware
17:03:08 <Karen> ...even if not at calls
17:03:14 <Karen> ...we will have two parts in this call
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17:03:23 <Karen> ...we are trying to structure calls this way
17:03:31 <Karen> ...first give updates on what is going on, then give broad discussions
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17:03:42 <Avneesh> present+
17:03:44 <Karen> ...We are happy to welcome Daihei as new co-chair of BG, please say hello
17:03:48 <jeff> Dahei++
17:03:55 <Karen> Daihei: Thank you. I am very honored to be a new co-chair
17:04:04 <Karen> ...working with everyone and such wonderful co-chairs Liisa and Luc
17:04:04 <ivan> present+ daihei
17:04:18 <Karen> ...My priority is to enhance and enrich the discussion among the whole Pub BG
17:04:30 <laudrain> q?
17:04:38 <Karen> ...Liisa does this is North America, Luc in Europe, and I would like to make clear the interests from Asia and Japan
17:04:42 <Karen> ...very excited to work with all of you
17:04:45 <jeff> q+
17:04:48 <Karen> Luc: Thank you Daihei
17:04:49 <Karen> ack Jeff
17:04:57 <julieblair> present+
17:05:00 <laudrain> ack jeff
17:05:01 <Karen> Jeff: I also want to add my own personal welcome to Daihei as an official co-chair
17:05:09 <Karen> ...and as long as Daihei mentioned Asia and Japan
17:05:12 <ivan> present+ liisamk
17:05:19 <Karen> ...this is a great opportunity to remind everyone that TPAC 2019 is in Japan
17:05:19 <ivan> present+ Bill_Kasdorf
17:05:24 <Karen> ...just 8 months away in September
17:05:30 <Karen> Luc: TPAC in Japan
17:05:31 <Karen> ...thank you
17:05:43 <Karen> Topic: EPUB Check
17:05:50 <Karen> Luc: We have good news on progress
17:05:53 <ivan> present+ julieblair
17:05:55 <Karen> ...DAISY Consortium is on time
17:05:59 <Karen> ...slightly fixed
17:06:04 <Karen> ...some new translations have been added
17:06:10 <Karen> ...from what was published a week ago
17:06:25 <Karen> ...version of EPUB Check inside validator.idpf.org web site
17:06:35 <ivan> present+ Jonathan_Thurston
17:06:35 <Karen> ...there are discussions [future] about what to do with this web site
17:06:46 <Karen> ...next release about 4.2 is already in alpha
17:06:53 <Karen> ...verifying some very early items of EPUB3.2
17:06:59 <ivan> present+ leslie
17:07:01 <Karen> ...especially using the new nuHTMLchecker
17:07:09 <Karen> ...people have been using it to check
17:07:13 <Karen> ...development is on time
17:07:17 <Karen> ...as figure out
17:07:19 <ivan> present+ wolfgang
17:07:24 <Karen> ...there is a milestone for payment end of January
17:07:28 <Karen> ...as everything is ok
17:07:37 <Karen> ...the Pub Steering Committee is proceeding with payment
17:07:44 <Karen> ...On the fundraising side of the aspect
17:07:50 <Karen> ...we have pledges for half of the total that is expected
17:07:57 <Karen> ...something like $80K is pledged
17:08:00 <Karen> ...but we are not yet full
17:08:12 <Karen> ...there is a very important task force to re-launch the call for fundraising
17:08:16 <ivan> zakim, who is here?
17:08:16 <Zakim> Present: mateus, dauwhe, tzviya, wolfgang, laudrain, rkwright, Karen, jeff, liisamk, George, Bill_Kasdorf, ivan, Avneesh, daihei, julieblair, Jonathan_Thurston, leslie
17:08:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see julieblair, Avneesh, Bill_Kasdorf, George, liisamk, rkwright, laudrain, mateus, wolfgang, jeff, Zakim, RRSAgent, ivan, dauwhe, wendyreid, Karen, tzviya, dmitry,
17:08:20 <Zakim> ... bigbluehat
17:08:27 <tzviya> regrets+ Rachel_Comerford
17:08:29 <ivan> present+ tzviya
17:08:30 <Karen> ...have more direct contact to bring this issue to more companies, publishers, distributors, even suppliers of EPUB
17:08:44 <Karen> ...we hope all of us will do this in the future weeks to have a new table
17:08:49 <Karen> ...as of today, just 18 companies
17:09:00 <Karen> ...a small percentage of companies that use EPUB Checker all over the world
17:09:02 <tzviya> q+
17:09:04 <Karen> ...So big hope to get more money
17:09:07 <laudrain> q?
17:09:08 <Karen> ...that is situation today
17:09:10 <Avneesh> q+
17:09:11 <Karen> ack Tzviya
17:09:21 <Karen> Tzviya: I want to make it clear that if we don't get the funding
17:09:21 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
17:09:29 <Karen> ...then we might have to look at abandoning the work
17:09:36 <Karen> ...I know some on this call are looking into it
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17:09:44 <Karen> ...any amount of contribution is appreciated
17:09:53 <Karen> ...Rachel Comerford has been leading the fundraising effort
17:10:04 <Karen> ...you know how important this tool is; EPUB starts and stops with this check
17:10:13 <Karen> ...we don't want to have to stop and start a contract again with DAISY
17:10:15 <laudrain> ack Avneesh
17:10:15 <Karen> ack Avnish
17:10:17 <ivan> ack Avneesh
17:10:24 <Karen> Avnish: regarding the new HTML validator
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17:10:35 <Karen> ...we are using it as a reference, but we have not integrated it
17:10:39 <Karen> ...HTML schema
17:10:42 <Karen> ...is what W3C is using
17:10:44 <tzviya> s/Avnish/Avneesh
17:10:51 <Karen> ...not in plan for now to build EPUB check on it
17:11:03 <Karen> ...we are using it as a reference to improve the internal schema which is used by EPUB Check
17:11:05 <laudrain> ack Bill_Kasdorf
17:11:06 <laudrain> q?
17:11:09 <Karen> ack Bill_Kasdorf
17:11:19 <Karen> Bill_Kasdorf: regarding messaging for a new appeal
17:11:25 <Karen> ...it would be useful to have a document or a web site
17:11:32 <Karen> ...that was perhaps touting our success of the first phase
17:11:35 <laudrain> q+
17:11:38 <Karen> ...please use new EPUB check
17:11:43 <Karen> ...and we are working on EPUB3.2
17:11:49 <Karen> ...I am not offering to create it as I am slammed
17:11:59 <Karen> ...but we have been planning to fire up the external coordination TF
17:12:05 <Karen> ...and reach out to more contacts around the world
17:12:12 <Karen> ...would be nice to have such a document from W3C
17:12:14 <Karen> ack Luc
17:12:20 <ivan> present+ cristina
17:12:21 <rkwright> +1 to Bill's idea
17:12:24 <Karen> Bill_Kasdorf: yes, a blog is good to promote
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17:12:35 <jeff> ack lau
17:12:40 <Karen> Luc: I was thinking to write a new blog on what has been achieved until now
17:12:47 <Karen> ...I will prepare that with Tzviya and post on the W3C blog
17:12:48 <laudrain> q?
17:12:54 <Karen> Bill-Kasdorf: thank you
17:12:54 <jyoshii> preswent+
17:12:57 <Karen> Luc: no more comment?
17:13:00 <Karen> ...thank you
17:13:13 <ivan> present+ jyoshii
17:13:15 <Karen> Topic: Rec Track Resolution
17:13:31 <Karen> Liisa; We have officially resolved to NOT pick up Rec Track for EPUB3.2
17:13:40 <laudrain> q?
17:13:44 <Karen> ...we resolved this and work continues in EPUBCG
17:13:51 <Karen> ...bug reporting takes more time
17:13:55 <Karen> ...need people to commit resources
17:14:06 <laudrain> q?
17:14:11 <Karen> ...and Pub BG will pick up discussion in Q4, and at TPAC time frame [Sept]
17:14:21 <Karen> Luc: Karen, would you take next topics on TPI transition
17:14:25 <Karen> ...we saw you sent mails
17:14:26 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
17:14:28 <jeff> scribenick; jeff
17:14:34 <laudrain> ack Karen
17:14:49 <dauwhe> Karen: this week, it's been two years since the combination and the TPI offer
17:15:08 <dauwhe> ... this thursday, the special membership category comes to the end
17:15:20 <dauwhe> ... we've spoken to all 44 organizations over the last few months
17:15:37 <dauwhe> ... we have several who became members, and several who joined the BG
17:15:47 <dauwhe> ... but quite a few will not be continuing at all
17:16:00 <dauwhe> ... and those folks will be dropped from the BG
17:16:10 <dauwhe> ... they can subscribe to the emails, but not participate in the calls
17:16:13 <dauwhe> ... the same for PWG.
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17:16:26 <dauwhe> ... they can follow the work on the mailing list.
17:16:28 <Julian_Calderazi> present+
17:16:32 <ivan> q+
17:16:33 <liisamk> q+
17:17:05 <dauwhe> scribenick: karen
17:17:20 <Karen> Liisa: Karen, when you say people can follow the work
17:17:25 <dauwhe> scribenick: dauwhe
17:17:31 <dauwhe> Karen: they can read what's happening
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17:17:39 <dauwhe> ... they should be able to respond to the public mailing list
17:17:51 <laudrain> q?
17:17:59 <dauwhe> laudrain: they can raise objection on the ML?
17:18:04 <dauwhe> Karen: they don't have votes
17:18:04 <laudrain> ack liisamk
17:18:07 <jeff> q+
17:18:14 <dauwhe> laudrain: there is nothing in the process on BG and CG
17:18:25 <dauwhe> ... in working group any objection should be taken seriously
17:18:41 <laudrain> ack jeff
17:18:54 <Karen> scribenick: Karen
17:19:09 <Karen> Jeff: WG have signed up for the IPR and commit to the technology
17:19:20 <Karen> ...BG people can object, but can also be freely ignored
17:19:27 <Karen> ...in WG if public objects, there is some resonance
17:19:34 <laudrain> q?
17:19:38 <Karen> ...but not with BG; they can contribute but objections can be ignored
17:19:43 <Karen> Luc: Ivan, do you have your mic?
17:19:45 <Karen> ...let's try
17:19:50 <Karen> Ivan: one more thing
17:20:06 <Karen> ...the general public can also follow on the GitHub issue list for the Working Group
17:20:10 <Karen> ...where most of the work happens
17:20:22 <laudrain> q+
17:20:27 <Karen> ...but they cannot be solicited for comments, etc. So following work is also possible on GitHub
17:20:35 <Karen> Luc: If someone has strong objections or opinions
17:20:43 <Karen> ...they should pay for a membership; there is a solution to that
17:20:48 <Karen> ...in any case
17:20:55 <Karen> ...if a company wants to come back to the BG
17:21:03 <Karen> ...or have a new subscription, it is possible at any time
17:21:05 <laudrain> q?
17:21:09 <Karen> Ivan: Absolutely
17:21:09 <laudrain> ack laudrain
17:21:20 <Karen> Luc: no more comments on TPI updates?
17:21:24 <Karen> ...thank you
17:21:37 <Karen> ...Liisa, you wanted to introduce for us the new way we would like to work in the future
17:21:44 <Karen> ...as we discussed on our call with Daihei
17:21:49 <Karen> Liisa: What we are proposing
17:21:53 <ivan> Topic: new ways of working
17:21:57 <Karen> ...is to keep the update section of our meeting short
17:22:03 <Karen> ...and we take 2-3 topics per month
17:22:12 <Karen> ...that we define ahead of time so people have time to prepare
17:22:16 <Karen> ...we have two calls per month
17:22:17 <Karen> ...same agenda
17:22:27 <Karen> ...but allowing us to work in two different time zones
17:22:48 <Karen> ...first Tuesday call of the month is the 12:00pm EST; 6:00pm Europe; not great Japan; and start on discussion on topic
17:23:05 <Karen> ...then two weeks later we do 7:00pm EST, morning Japan, not great Europe
17:23:16 <Karen> ...so people can choose which or both calls to participate
17:23:23 <Karen> ...update discussions, report back
17:23:26 <Karen> ...to folks from first call
17:23:32 <Karen> ...let's say we take up a topic
17:23:41 <Karen> ...and over the two meetings we discuss worldwide
17:23:58 <Karen> ...see if we need to develop task forces to continue work on the topics outside of these calls
17:24:06 <Karen> ...we think this will help with better worldwide participate
17:24:16 <Karen> ...and that we are clear on what topics are important for different parts of the world
17:24:27 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to this plan
17:24:28 <Karen> ...and simultaneously work on things that are important in different areas
17:24:30 <laudrain> q?
17:24:32 <Karen> ...questions?
17:24:44 <Karen> George: I think that sounds really good
17:24:45 <ivan> present+ george
17:24:45 <laudrain> q+ George
17:24:47 <Daihei> q+
17:24:52 <Karen> ...the email list for asynchronous communication
17:24:54 <laudrain> ack George
17:24:54 <ivan> ack George
17:24:57 <Karen> ...is something we can always rely on
17:25:02 <Karen> ...to discuss different items any time
17:25:07 <Karen> Liisa: absolutely
17:25:10 <laudrain> ack Daihei
17:25:11 <Karen> ack Daihei
17:25:19 <Karen> Daihei: in addition to what Liisa explained
17:25:26 <Karen> ...we want everyone to come into the meeting and to speak out
17:25:30 <Karen> ...and to give their input
17:25:41 <Karen> ...whether from company, industry, global perspectives
17:25:43 <Karen> ...in the past
17:25:52 <Karen> ...the time friendliness was lacking
17:26:14 <jeff> Yoshii-san ++
17:26:20 <Karen> ...luckily I am based in California, so it's 9:30am, but for Japanese colleagues it's 2:30am
17:26:24 <Karen> ...this helps to solve that
17:26:27 <Karen> ...and in between the two meetings
17:26:33 <Avneesh> q+
17:26:35 <Karen> ...the topics come afterwards
17:26:44 <Karen> ...and I can communicate with Japan and other Asian countries
17:26:47 <tzviya> q+
17:26:59 <Karen> ...to relay information and solicit them to come to the Asia-friendly conference call
17:27:12 <Karen> ...so with the two meetings, hope the global interest and more consensus can be built
17:27:16 <laudrain> q?
17:27:19 <Karen> ack Avneesh
17:27:31 <Karen> Avneesh: Good to have same list of topics
17:27:35 <Karen> ...that will help to do the job
17:27:48 <Karen> ...also talk about it's Japan friendly, so it's 5:30am for me
17:27:49 <liisamk> q+
17:28:00 <Karen> ...not so good for Eastern Europe and Eastern continenent
17:28:07 <laudrain> q?
17:28:11 <Karen> ...most calls happen at this time, and I cannot do 5:30am calls
17:28:19 <Karen> Luc: thank you Avneesh, important to know
17:28:22 <Karen> ack Tzviya
17:28:36 <Karen> Tzviya: I have been trying to coordinate one call with WG members from Asia to assess the needs
17:28:48 <Karen> ...as Avneesh mentioned, there are a number of time zones in Asia
17:29:01 <Karen> ...I will include Daihei on that email, and Liisa and Luc as well for that initial call
17:29:08 <Karen> ...I definitely support this
17:29:08 <liisamk> +1 to the WG call and BG participation
17:29:14 <Karen> ...We do have a number of members who are not in Japan
17:29:18 <jeff> q+
17:29:24 <Karen> ...I will forward the email I sent out to the chairs for coordination
17:29:29 <laudrain> ack liisamk
17:29:30 <Karen> ...let me know if I left anyone out
17:29:41 <Karen> Liisamk: Avneesh, thank you for bringing that up
17:29:55 <jyoshii> aI always wear pajama.
17:30:03 <Karen> ...Luc, Daihei, we owe everyone an update on if we can find a more friendly time zone to call all of Asia
17:30:04 <Avneesh> q+
17:30:07 <Karen> ack Jeff
17:30:12 <Karen> Jeff: I wanted to mention
17:30:22 <Karen> ...the time which is currently used as the US/Europe time, noon EST
17:30:31 <Karen> ...I wonder if we could move that up a couple of hours
17:30:37 <Karen> ...to be barely ok for West Coast
17:30:52 <laudrain> q?
17:30:52 <Karen> ...better for Europe, and may still be within the working day for India
17:31:07 <Karen> Luc: Daihei, what do you think about a couple hours earlier?
17:31:14 <Karen> Daihei: someone is going to have to suffer
17:31:21 <liisamk> someone always suffers where digital publishing is concerned...
17:31:24 <Karen> ...it is very hard to find times in global time zones
17:31:33 <Karen> ...one for US/Europe, the other for Asia friendly
17:31:52 <Bill_Kasdorf> Jeff is suggesting that for the US/EU-friendly call, not the Asia-friendly time, correct?
17:32:00 <Karen> ...Avneesh, we will go over that again, the India time zone difference
17:32:01 <laudrain> ack Avneesh
17:32:03 <Karen> ack Avneesh
17:32:18 <jeff> yes, Bill, but it is tough for San Diego people like Daihei
17:32:19 <Karen> Avneesh: the Accessibility guidelines are doing US/Europe and Europe/Asia
17:32:30 <Karen> ...one call is 1500UTC; the other is 900UTC
17:32:37 <Karen> ...covers everyone from London to Australia
17:32:40 <Karen> ...this kind of model
17:32:43 <Karen> ...as an example
17:32:49 <Karen> Luc: thank you for this information
17:33:03 <Karen> ...as Daihei and Liisa said, we will discuss among the chairs and bring some proposals
17:33:09 <laudrain> q?
17:33:15 <Karen> ...Liisa explained the timing and the stuff we want to discuss on these calls
17:33:22 <Karen> ...if no more comment, we can take next topic
17:33:31 <Karen> Topic: Conferences in 2019 and 2020
17:33:46 <Karen> ...we think we have to discuss earlier for how we make people aware of work in W#C
17:33:49 <Karen> s/w3C
17:34:00 <Karen> ...either unique events or partnering with existing conferences
17:34:11 <dauwhe> q?
17:34:14 <liisamk> q+
17:34:15 <Karen> ...the Digital Publishing Summit, being organized 25-26 June in Paris
17:34:16 <dauwhe> q+
17:34:22 <Karen> ...is a very important conference
17:34:37 <Karen> ...I will be involved on the program committee, and there is a lot of W3C information to share in this conference
17:34:39 <Karen> ...that is one point
17:34:41 <Karen> ack Liisa
17:34:45 <Karen> Liisamk: I would know
17:34:49 <laudrain> ack liisamk
17:34:58 <Karen> ...we talked about this with the Publishing Steering Committee on Friday
17:35:06 <Karen> ...we should figure out what conferences are important to us
17:35:19 <Karen> ...and from overall W3C perspective, discuss how the work is being represented well enough
17:35:30 <Karen> ...so people realize that it is important and how it impacts their world
17:35:40 <Karen> ...we talked about ebookcraft, Toronto, DigPub Summit in Paris
17:35:48 <Karen> ...we realized that a lot of conferences are about books and trade
17:35:59 <laudrain> q?
17:36:01 <Karen> ...and we are trying to figure out conferences for education and scholarly publishing
17:36:05 <laudrain> ack dauwhe
17:36:05 <Karen> ack Dauwhe
17:36:15 <Karen> Dauwhe: I think we should also figure out what we are trying to accomplish
17:36:21 <Karen> ...being at conferences is a means to an end
17:36:39 <Karen> ...we want to communicate to people outside of the people who normally listen to us; spread the word; invite people to join us
17:36:44 <Karen> ...we also want to have dialogue
17:36:47 <laudrain> q+
17:36:57 <Karen> ...to have the kinds of conversations we had last week at the AB-Pub meet-up
17:37:06 <Karen> ...question is how we facilitate these kinds of conversations
17:37:11 <Karen> ...conferences are one venue
17:37:19 <Karen> ...challenges of resources, budgets, travel
17:37:25 <Karen> Luc: thank you, Dave
17:37:27 <Karen> ack Luc
17:37:43 <Karen> Laudrain: I want to emphasize what Dave said
17:37:51 <Karen> ...the DigPub Summit is not only what we do at W3C
17:38:00 <Karen> ...but interesting to have different facets discussed
17:38:04 <Karen> ...and make it aware to people
17:38:11 <Karen> ...will be to a specific publishing audience
17:38:24 <Karen> ...but we could also have a workshop or small group discussing technical, business issues
17:38:30 <jeff> q+
17:38:35 <Karen> ...and interesting to have all that kind of stuff tested and prepared in that conference
17:38:36 <ivan> ack laudrain
17:38:41 <Karen> ...and try to get some information about adoption
17:38:45 <Karen> ...perspectives on what is going on
17:38:55 <Karen> ...and how publishers can imagine engaging to these new standards
17:39:03 <Karen> ...like web audo books, visual narratives
17:39:14 <Karen> ...EDRLab is very interested and engaged with Readium
17:39:22 <wolfgang> s/audo/audio/
17:39:30 <Karen> ...and the visual narrative group at W3C is important to learn about
17:39:35 <Karen> ...and communicate more broadly
17:39:43 <Karen> ...as Dave said, it's not the only way to communicate
17:39:54 <Karen> ...we talked about the small group meet-up with AB
17:40:00 <Karen> ...and see if this can be reproduced
17:40:18 <Karen> ...there are also large conferences on education, accessibility, STEM, where we should consider to be present
17:40:19 <Karen> ack Jeff
17:40:31 <Karen> Jeff: I think like you said, Dave asked a great question
17:40:37 <Karen> ...I wanted to provide a perspective
17:40:46 <LHulse> q+
17:40:50 <Karen> ...My impression is that IDPF was both a spec factory but also a bit of a trade group
17:40:54 <Karen> ...the merge into W3C
17:41:03 <Karen> ...we maintained the spec factory, but did less on the trade group
17:41:09 <Karen> ...for question on what we are trying to achieve
17:41:16 <Karen> ...we want to restore that capability that IDPF
17:41:18 <Karen> ...had
17:41:25 <Karen> ...when I spoke with TPIs that did not continue
17:41:36 <Karen> ...many said they were in IDPF for the trade piece, not the spec piece
17:41:40 <Karen> ...so what does it do?
17:41:44 <tzviya> q+
17:41:49 <Karen> ...it popularizes, evangelizes, builds a community
17:41:53 <Karen> ...those are higher level goals
17:42:04 <Karen> ...conferences are a piece of it
17:42:08 <Karen> ...and goal is to build a community
17:42:13 <Karen> ...especially for the EPUB family specs
17:42:18 <Karen> ack LHulse
17:42:31 <Karen> Leslie: I see this is a continuation of conversation about audio books conversation
17:42:46 <Karen> ...I have concerns whether there is a broad enough community in audio that is aware of work being doe
17:42:55 <Karen> ...and if they have responded to the perceived business need
17:43:00 <wolfgang> s/doe/done/
17:43:04 <Karen> ...slightly different topic than conferences
17:43:21 <Karen> ...but I agree with Jeff there is a gap in having that trade group forum for discussion and sharing of information
17:43:28 <Karen> ...would make sense to have a meet-up or a webinar
17:43:33 <Karen> ...to have a broader conversation
17:43:37 <laudrain> q?
17:43:42 <Karen> ...share explainers, materials put together by WG
17:44:04 <Karen> ...concerned that you have three strong audio players participating, but four are not, and not so many publishers
17:44:08 <laudrain> +1
17:44:14 <liisamk> +1
17:44:16 <wolfgang> +1 to LHulse
17:44:17 <Karen> ...I think we should pause and solicit specific feedback on this topic [audio books]
17:44:20 <liisamk> q+
17:44:22 <dauwhe> q+
17:44:31 <Karen> ...we should intentionally broaden the conversation
17:44:32 <ivan> ack tzviya
17:44:36 <Karen> ack Tzviya
17:44:41 <Karen> Tzviya: I agree with Leslie
17:44:50 <Karen> ...conferences by IDPF were not so exciting
17:44:57 <Karen> ...even meet-ups take a lot of work to do
17:45:00 <Karen> ...I like webinars idea
17:45:02 <laudrain> q+
17:45:09 <Karen> ...and Leslie's suggestion to solicit feedback
17:45:16 <Karen> ...the explainer doc in WG is a great way to do that
17:45:20 <Karen> ...expect to have that end of week
17:45:27 <Karen> ...maybe do a formal feedback in the BG
17:45:31 <Karen> ...and webinars is another way
17:45:34 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
17:45:34 <LHulse> q+
17:45:38 <Karen> ...rather than a full-fledged conference
17:45:42 <Karen> ack liisamk
17:45:51 <ivan> ack liisamk
17:46:01 <Karen> Liisamk: not about having one, but see which conferences are relevant to tack on conversations
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17:46:17 <Karen> ...to Leslie's point on audio, we need to take back into the Pub BG
17:46:22 <Karen> ...help people understand what is happening
17:46:30 <Karen> ...even more true as the TPI access separates
17:46:40 <laudrain> q?
17:46:40 <Karen> ...energy to participate; we need to find a better mechanism
17:46:44 <Karen> ack Dauwhe
17:46:51 <Karen> Dauwhe: Bit thumbs up to what Leslie said
17:46:57 <Karen> ...this means there is homework for many of us
17:47:09 <jeff> s/Bit/Big/
17:47:14 <Karen> ...I need to engage with Hachette's audio publishers, Leslie with HC and Liisa with PRH
17:47:19 <Karen> ...those who work on audio books
17:47:33 <Karen> ...we need to try to bring them into this conversation and at least get their feedback on what's going on
17:47:52 <Karen> Luc: with EDRLab we visited the main audiobook publishers and made them aware of what's at stake
17:48:02 <Karen> ...not sure if there is a list of audio books publishers
17:48:22 <Karen> ...these people are outside the circles of our conversations; would be interesting to have a global list of audio book publishers
17:48:29 <Karen> ...do a Q&A, get questions from them
17:48:30 <laudrain> q?
17:48:34 <Karen> ack laudrain
17:48:40 <Karen> ack Bill_Kasdorf
17:48:58 <Karen> Bill_Kasdorf: two comments
17:49:00 <Karen> ...one is that
17:49:23 <Karen> ...the value of a conference is not the formal conference itself, it's the fact that a whole lot of people with common interests are in same room at same time
17:49:39 <Karen> ...main reason NY meet-up worked well last week, is concentration of trade publishers is in NYC
17:49:44 <Karen> ...but not true for scholarly
17:49:49 <Karen> ...SSP in May
17:50:05 <Karen> ...STM major commercial publishers do STM Week in London
17:50:13 <Karen> ...those orgs capitalize on the fact that folks are there
17:50:21 <Karen> ...Coko Foundation had a one-day event in London
17:50:31 <ivan> q?
17:50:34 <Karen> ...it was not an STM event, but they held it in London because many people were there
17:50:35 <ivan> q+
17:50:45 <Karen> ...also comment on the value of the AB meetup in NYC [last Wed]
17:50:53 <Karen> ...Leslie mentioned specific invite to audio books
17:51:02 <Karen> ...makes me think about the EDUPUB Spec
17:51:09 <Karen> ...we had an invitational meeting
17:51:16 <Karen> ...we were at stage in development of that spec
17:51:24 <Karen> ...we know who these people are, get them in a room and talk about this
17:51:31 <Karen> ...it was very productive and very luminating
17:51:39 <Karen> ...One of the main lightbulbs
17:51:59 <Karen> ...was that they were not as interested in EPUB as a distribution spec, but more for infrastructure development
17:52:04 <Karen> ...that kind of meeting is good to do
17:52:09 <Karen> ...bringing these up
17:52:29 <Karen> ...even if only invitation-only, doing it where they are already traveling for something else, you could do an evening event
17:52:36 <Karen> ...without conflicting with the conference they are there for
17:52:44 <Karen> ack LHulse
17:53:05 <Karen> LHulse: a couple points
17:53:20 <Karen> ...for audio, the org to reach out to is the Audio Publishers Association in the US; not sure if int'l
17:53:26 <Karen> ...I am happy to host an in-person event
17:53:33 <Karen> ...they don't have their big conference coming up now
17:53:35 <Karen> ...figure out what works
17:53:44 <Karen> ...maybe goes back to what happens to membership transition
17:53:49 <Karen> ...not clear what is visible
17:53:53 <Karen> ...what is open to general public
17:53:59 <Karen> ...not sure what they can access
17:54:03 <Karen> Luc: good question
17:54:14 <Karen> ...Dave answered they are public
17:54:15 <laudrain> q?
17:54:18 <Karen> ack Ivan
17:54:19 <dauwhe> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/blob/master/explainers/audio-explainer.md
17:54:28 <Karen> Ivan: Dave has answered the last question of Leslie
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17:54:29 <dauwhe> https://github.com/w3c/wpub/blob/master/explainers/wpub-explainer.md
17:54:38 <Karen> ...any document produced by W3C are publicly available
17:54:49 <Karen> ...all the drafts and final specs are public
17:54:58 <Karen> ...I think next steps are to take explicit actions
17:55:08 <Karen> ...the community should plan to be present at the December STM week
17:55:15 <Karen> ...I think we should actively start that now
17:55:18 <laudrain> q+
17:55:28 <Karen> ...as Tzviya said, organizing any kind of meeting is a lot of work
17:55:33 <Karen> ...same for Audio Association
17:55:42 <Karen> ...we should task ourselves
17:55:54 <Karen> ...combining that with an invitation only event sounds like a great idea
17:56:09 <laudrain> q?
17:56:10 <Karen> ...but also try to organize a webinar or Q&A via some telco for those who cannot travel
17:56:15 <Karen> ...get a 1-1.5 hour telco
17:56:18 <Karen> ...with the audio community
17:56:24 <Karen> ...and a discussion sounds like a good idea
17:56:32 <Karen> ...my main message is that we have to organize this
17:56:38 <Karen> ...we cannot be passive
17:56:43 <Karen> ack laudrain
17:57:00 <Karen> Luc: to summarize, we have the Digital Publishing Summit in June
17:57:19 <Karen> ...Daihei is looking to see if we can do something with APL timed with TPAC in Japan
17:57:28 <Karen> ...And coordinate with BillK on STM for December
17:57:36 <Karen> ...and the audio community, and this has to be prepared
17:57:45 <tzviya> q+
17:57:46 <Karen> ...do we have some kind of task force for the audio community
17:57:56 <Karen> Ivan: I think Tzviya said @@
17:58:00 <laudrain> ack tzviya
17:58:12 <Karen> Tzviya: Leslie, if I can put Wendy in touch with you, the group has not been responsive
17:58:17 <lhulse> Audio Publisher's Association will be in NY for events on March 4 https://www.audiopub.org/members/events
17:58:18 <Karen> Luc: good, some kind of action in progress here
17:58:23 <Karen> ...ok
17:58:28 <Karen> thank you very much for that
17:58:32 <Karen> ...we are nearly at end of the hour
17:58:41 <Karen> ...we explored the discussions we had with Daihei and Liisa
17:58:50 <Karen> ...next steps are to set up this new way to work every two weeks
17:58:54 <Karen> ...and figure out a better time for Asia
17:59:00 <Karen> ...and ask Garth to change the invitations
17:59:05 <Karen> ...so we have invitations in our agendas
17:59:14 <laudrain> q?
17:59:18 <Karen> ...More comments, final comments from you, Liisa or Daihei
17:59:32 <Karen> Liisa: I think I could blog about the AB meet-up since we did not have time to talk about it
17:59:32 <jeff> +1 to Liisa blog
17:59:33 <Karen> +1
17:59:39 <Karen> Luc: ok
17:59:47 <Daihei> Liisa+1
17:59:54 <Karen> Luc: thank you, very good idea
18:00:00 <Karen> ...Daihei, ok for you?
18:00:03 <Karen> Daihei: yes, ok
18:00:12 <Karen> Luc: thank you to all of you; have a good day or night; talk to you soon
18:00:15 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
18:00:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/01/29-pbg-minutes.html ivan
18:00:15 <ivan> zakim, bye
18:00:15 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
18:00:15 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
18:00:15 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been mateus, dauwhe, tzviya, wolfgang, laudrain, rkwright, Karen, jeff, liisamk, George, Bill_Kasdorf, ivan, Avneesh, daihei,
18:00:15 <Zakim> Zakim has left #pbg
18:00:16 <Karen> adjourned