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20:49:13 <kcoyle> meeting: DXWG Plenary Jan 29 2019
20:49:18 <kcoyle> chair: Karen Coyle
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20:58:51 <PWinstanley> regrets+ DaveBrowning , RiccardoAlbertoni, Alejandra, Makx
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21:04:46 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.01.29
21:04:55 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:04:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/01/29-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:05:32 <antoine> scribenick: antoine
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21:05:57 <antoine> Topic: Admin
21:06:15 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2019/01/22-dxwg-minutes
21:06:57 <antoine> Proposed: accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2019/01/22-dxwg-minutes
21:06:59 <antoine> +1
21:07:00 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:07:02 <PWinstanley> +1
21:07:02 <ncar> +1
21:07:02 <kcoyle> +1
21:07:06 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
21:07:27 <annette_g> +1
21:07:31 <antoine> Resolved: accept https://www.w3.org/2019/01/22-dxwg-minutes
21:07:38 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:07:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/01/29-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:07:42 <antoine> Topic: open actions
21:07:48 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
21:07:53 <antoine> q+
21:08:02 <annette_g> yes, me
21:08:07 <AndreaPerego> I was already.
21:08:14 <kcoyle> ack antoine
21:08:23 <PWinstanley> antoine: I am subscribed
21:08:38 <PWinstanley> ... I've received all the exchange with Paul Walk - the last emails
21:09:09 <kcoyle> action #244
21:09:42 <PWinstanley> ... My own action - I want to check whether Nick or Rob are planning ontology changes, or is it stable for the nxext few days, esp the diagram
21:10:04 <ncar> q+
21:10:11 <PWinstanley> ... I've spotted some changes today and need to know if there are any others in the pipeline
21:10:11 <kcoyle> ack ncar
21:10:44 <PWinstanley> ncar: No change apart from small changes and colour alterations
21:10:54 <PWinstanley> ... a new diag might be added
21:11:37 <antoine> kcoyle: I'm going to close the action on subscribing
21:11:45 <antoine> Topic: Assessment of Current Position
21:12:00 <antoine> kcoyle: anything to add to Dave Browning's post?
21:12:05 <ncar> q+
21:12:13 <antoine> ... it seems that they're going to try and have a new WD soon.
21:12:15 <kcoyle> ack ncar
21:12:26 <antoine> ncar: have they decided?
21:12:34 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:12:34 <antoine> kcoyle: I haven't seen
21:12:43 <PWinstanley> q+
21:12:43 <antoine> ncar: maybe they'll decide tomorrow
21:12:58 <antoine> ack PWinstanley
21:13:00 <kcoyle> ack PWinstanley
21:13:25 <antoine> PWinstanley: we had a meeting on the point of distributions/services
21:13:31 <antoine> ... whether to describe an API.
21:13:39 <antoine> ... this was a lot of discussion.
21:13:50 <antoine> ... result: annette_g will make a proposal
21:14:06 <antoine> ... Dave will initiate a doodle poll for the sprint
21:14:17 <annette_g> q+
21:14:28 <kcoyle> ack annette_g
21:14:50 <antoine> annette_g: I thought my ideas would be considered for the next WD
21:14:57 <antoine> ... not the coming one
21:15:15 <antoine> ... I'm worried that people would say it's impossible to consider my changes
21:15:35 <antoine> kcoyle: it's flexible, but there needs to be a stopping point.
21:15:40 <antoine> ... none has been declared yet
21:16:24 <antoine> annette_g: my sense is that the group will publish the next WD very soon
21:16:24 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:16:34 <antoine> ack AndreaPerego
21:16:35 <kcoyle> ack AndreaPerego
21:16:50 <antoine> AndreaPerego: about closing action 276
21:16:53 <antoine> ... I can do it
21:16:54 <AndreaPerego> close action-276
21:16:54 <trackbot> Closed action-276.
21:17:10 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:17:18 <ncar> q+
21:17:23 <kcoyle> ack ncar
21:17:25 <antoine> kcoyle: Profile ontology
21:17:37 <antoine> ncar: there were many PRs, with dependances
21:17:49 <antoine> ... Rob and I did a lot of them last night
21:17:56 <antoine> ... handling incremental feedback
21:18:11 <antoine> ... What is now in the main view is a first batch of updates
21:18:16 <ncar> Best upated doc: https://raw.githack.com/w3c/dxwg/paper-reviews/profilesont/index.html
21:18:17 <antoine> ... There is another branch
21:18:49 <antoine> ... The main thing is examples, appearing higher up in the doc.
21:19:01 <ncar> Crosswalks: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/PROF-Alignments-and-crosswalks
21:19:17 <antoine> ... We've removed some difficult things (base specifications, inverse)
21:19:31 <antoine> ... there are crosswalks
21:19:54 <antoine> ... which could allow to simplify PROF (by deprecating elements that exist in other vocs)
21:20:09 <antoine> ... for example VANN prefered namespace abbrev and PROF token
21:20:26 <antoine> ... kcoyle we now have the example as you asked for
21:20:39 <antoine> ... but rob and I are still not convinced.
21:20:47 <antoine> kcoyle: when will you publish a new WD?
21:20:56 <antoine> ncar: we still have many issues
21:21:10 <antoine> ... possibly another week worth of incremental updates.
21:21:12 <antoine> q+
21:21:35 <kcoyle> ack ant
21:21:41 <PWinstanley> antoine: when was the date?
21:21:43 <kcoyle> ack antoine
21:21:46 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: 10 Feb
21:21:53 <antoine> ncar: yes
21:22:09 <antoine> ... it would be the latest
21:22:36 <antoine> ncar: 12th
21:22:59 <PWinstanley> antoine: the second batch of updates presented by Nick, will they be merged soon?
21:23:15 <antoine> ncar: yes
21:23:40 <antoine> ... the problem is that until yesterday we didn't have a meeting for approving it
21:23:52 <antoine> ... again we're waiting for DCAT group to free a slot
21:25:26 <antoine> ncar: we'll try to have them for the next call
21:25:38 <antoine> kcoyle: conneg?
21:25:38 <ncar> q+
21:25:54 <kcoyle> ack ncar
21:25:59 <antoine> ncar: only comments received are from the JSON-LD people
21:26:13 <antoine> kcoyle:
21:26:19 <antoine> kcoyle: Profile Guidance
21:27:06 <antoine> ncar: at the last profgui meeting I had 3 actions. (1) create an issue, (2) create a google doc
21:27:10 <antoine> ... (3) schedule a meeting
21:27:25 <antoine> kcoyle: ok
21:27:49 <antoine> ncar: we've got several comments both for profgui and PROF
21:27:51 <antoine> q+
21:28:18 <antoine> ... it seems to me that some considerations (role) with assist with answering
21:28:20 <kcoyle> ack antoine
21:29:05 <PWinstanley> antoine: this gives me a transition to another topic from Nick - the call for profgui and prof, there is value in merged calls
21:29:29 <PWinstanley> +1 to antoine point
21:29:31 <antoine> kcoyle, ncar: it would make sense
21:29:56 <antoine> q+
21:30:30 <kcoyle> ack antoine
21:31:22 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:31:27 <antoine> antoine: regular calls could be as long as usual
21:31:36 <antoine> ... it is the sprints that would be longer.
21:31:49 <antoine> q+
21:31:53 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:32:15 <PWinstanley> antoine: the issues in AOB, they may include everyone here.
21:32:35 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
21:32:38 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: shall we go through from top to bottom
21:32:43 <kcoyle> ack antoine
21:32:46 <kcoyle> ack AndreaPerego
21:33:00 <antoine> AndreaPerego: I've discovered that the references in the spec are not where they should be
21:33:17 <antoine> ... some references are in the normative section (e.g. for UCR) which seems strange.
21:33:26 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> .. right, because the context is not marked as informative, as of: https://github.com/w3c/respec/wiki/ReSpec-Editor%27s-Guide#references
21:33:29 <antoine> ... this is handled by reSpec
21:33:54 <antoine> ... I've discovered that there was an issue in reSpec
21:34:17 <antoine> ... any reference in a normative section is normative
21:34:25 <antoine> ... unless there's a ! before
21:34:37 <antoine> ... should we ask DaveR about it?
21:35:02 <antoine> ... For example in DCAT DOAP and VIVO were probably not meant to be normative.
21:35:18 <antoine> kcoyle: nobody noticed that when we published the WD
21:35:34 <antoine> ... AndreaPerego could you send a note to our mailing list and copy DaveR?
21:35:37 <antoine> AndreaPerego: yes
21:36:06 <antoine> ACTION: AndreaPerego to send a note about the issue of normative references, copying DaveR
21:36:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-282 - Send a note about the issue of normative references, copying daver [on Andrea Perego - due 2019-02-05].
21:36:31 <antoine> AndreaPerego: on the other issue. There are comments with names of persons
21:36:47 <antoine> ... in my PR all these noted have been changed into editor's notes
21:37:07 <antoine> ... we can decide if we should keep them or remove them
21:37:17 <antoine> ... I've also tried to harmonize them
21:37:18 <antoine> q+
21:37:25 <antoine> s/them/things
21:37:47 <antoine> ... like references to specific sections, with title of the document
21:38:03 <antoine> ... there was no consistency in the way some citations are made
21:38:33 <antoine> q-
21:38:37 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
21:38:42 <antoine> Jaroslav_Pullmann: thanks Andrea!
21:38:55 <antoine> ... I've already looked at suggestions and merged the PR
21:39:20 <antoine> ... About normative specs I didn't know. Now I've looked at reSpec
21:39:28 <antoine> ... the exclamation mark doesn't work
21:39:34 <antoine> ... I've started looking at it
21:40:09 <antoine> ... For some references I could have reSpec works as I would like
21:40:34 <antoine> AndreaPerego: automatically they should be considered as informative, not normative
21:40:50 <antoine> ... you shouldn't have to mark them as informative
21:41:15 <antoine> Jaroslav_Pullmann: apparently it looks at the closest section.
21:41:26 <antoine> ... I've put some itnermediary sections as informative
21:42:03 <annette_g> s/itnermediary/intermediary
21:42:04 <antoine> AndreaPerego: issue #701 has been fixed in my PR
21:42:15 <antoine> ... we just have to answer Bart Hanssens
21:42:32 <antoine> Jaroslav_Pullmann: thanks, I will respond
21:43:02 <antoine> Action: Jaroslav_Pullmann to answer Bart Hanssens wrt issue 701
21:43:02 <trackbot> Created ACTION-283 - Answer bart hanssens wrt issue 701 [on Jaroslav Pullmann - due 2019-02-05].
21:43:34 <antoine> kcoyle: thanks both
21:43:42 <antoine> q+
21:43:55 <kcoyle> ack antoine
21:43:59 <AndreaPerego> Thanks!
21:44:45 <PWinstanley> antoine: admin points - checking AndreaPerego  recent PR he asked the github DXWG editors which is neither complete for editors nor accurate in that there are additional people
21:45:02 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: this was one of the rules for the PR
21:45:30 <PWinstanley> ... I thought the group included all
21:45:43 <PWinstanley> antoine: do you have a link so we can review?
21:46:07 <AndreaPerego> https://github.com/orgs/w3c/teams/dxwg-editors
21:46:38 <antoine> AndreaPerego: if you do a PR and ask a review, you get this grouop
21:46:46 <antoine> s/grouop/group
21:47:03 <PWinstanley> this looks like W3C staff having a position in all  groups
21:47:05 <antoine> kcoyle: maybe it's easier if we pretend it doesn't exist
21:47:16 <PWinstanley> (with Phil being an ex W3C)
21:47:20 <antoine> ... I've not idea where it comes from
21:47:33 <antoine> AndreaPerego: maybe it's DaveR who created it
21:47:42 <antoine> kcoyle: it's odd
21:47:46 <antoine> +1
21:48:01 <antoine> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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21:48:01 <kcoyle> q?
21:48:24 <antoine> AndreaPerego: we should ask Alejandra to review
21:48:48 <antoine> ... as it was also about UCs in which she's been invovled
21:48:50 <antoine> q+
21:49:07 <kcoyle> ack antoine
21:49:40 <PWinstanley> antoine: I don't remember seeing anything worrying about the UC section, but it is a good idea to ping alejandra
21:49:59 <antoine> AndreaPerego: yes I prefer that she reviews these changes
21:50:05 <antoine> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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21:50:13 <PWinstanley> q+
21:50:22 <kcoyle> ack PWinstanley
21:50:38 <antoine> PWinstanley: have people had any further thought about F2F5?
21:50:45 <antoine> q+
21:50:55 <kcoyle> ack antoine
21:51:18 <PWinstanley> antoine: there was an early March date, that is impossible for me.  I want to see how the sprints work before deciding on F2F5
21:51:59 <antoine> kcoyle: ok so the one in March probably won't happen
21:52:06 <antoine> ... let's keep the option open for later
21:52:06 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:52:12 <antoine> kcoyle: meeting adjourned
21:52:18 <ncar> bye!
21:52:20 <PWinstanley> bye!!
21:52:21 <annette_g> bye!
21:52:23 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> bye!
21:52:25 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present-
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