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21:05:19 <AndreaPerego> topic: Agenda
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21:05:28 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: Any comments?
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21:06:17 <AndreaPerego> topic: approving last meeting minutes
21:06:19 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2019/01/15-dxwg-minutes
21:06:22 <SimonCox> +1
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21:06:30 <alejandra> +1
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21:06:42 <antoine> +1
21:06:48 <roba> +!
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21:07:00 <AndreaPerego> resolution: last meeting minutes approved
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21:07:20 <AndreaPerego> topic: list of actions
21:07:31 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
21:07:49 <SimonCox> present+
21:07:56 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: We slide on this...
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21:08:29 <AndreaPerego> topic: assessment of the current position about f2f
21:08:45 <AndreaPerego> s/about f2f//
21:09:40 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: Let's have a open chat on where we are with out deliverables
21:10:09 <AndreaPerego> ... About DCAT we have to decide when is enough
21:10:41 <AndreaPerego> ... and maybe leave to a Community Group to follow on - possibly preparing a primer, etc.
21:11:01 <ncar> q+
21:11:13 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
21:11:49 <AndreaPerego> ncar: About the profile work: the ontology document is going on, we got some feedback, also through the ESWC paper
21:12:08 <AndreaPerego> ... we have a few issues to address which are in GH
21:12:43 <AndreaPerego> ... Overall the ontology is pretty good, considering we didn't mean to have a big one
21:13:19 <AndreaPerego> ... Concerning profile guidance we keep on discussing on it, and work is going on
21:13:39 <AndreaPerego> ... About profile conneg, in a couple of weeks could be ready
21:13:58 <Makx> q+ on DCAT status
21:14:10 <AndreaPerego> ... So, the report which requires more work is still the guidance on profiles
21:14:24 <PWinstanley> ack Makx
21:14:24 <Zakim> Makx, you wanted to comment on DCAT status
21:14:26 <antoine> +1
21:14:31 <Makx> For DCAT, I think there is no more time
21:14:40 <Makx> what we have is what we get
21:14:53 <Makx> February deadline for Last PWD
21:15:02 <SimonCox> No more time? It's only January ...
21:15:12 <Makx> Otherwise not enough time for Rec track
21:15:24 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: Are we talking about the beginning of Jan or Feb?
21:15:33 <SimonCox> OK - we need to gather evidence of implementation
21:15:36 <AndreaPerego> ... Rec requires longer time, right?
21:15:47 <Makx> I'd say mid-Feb publication of final PWD
21:16:08 <AndreaPerego> meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Plenary
21:16:13 <DaveBrowning> q+ to ask about subsequent process
21:16:16 <Makx> then hopefully April Proposed Rec
21:16:20 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2019.01.22
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21:16:32 <SimonCox> Hmm. That is very consrvative
21:16:40 <PWinstanley> ack DaveBrowning
21:16:40 <Zakim> DaveBrowning, you wanted to ask about subsequent process
21:16:42 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: That's all, Makx?
21:16:46 <Makx> yes
21:16:48 <SimonCox> s/consrvative/conservative/
21:17:10 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: Makx might have answered my question on timing
21:17:17 <SimonCox> q+
21:17:40 <AndreaPerego> ... [asking for confirmation]
21:17:42 <PWinstanley> ack SimonCox
21:18:22 <AndreaPerego> SimonCox: I understand there's a cost in the wrap-up phase. What we have not under control is implementation evidence, which is required for REC
21:18:34 <ncar> q+
21:18:57 <AndreaPerego> ... I think anyway I am more optimistic than Makx about timing. I would push it at the end of March.
21:19:21 <AndreaPerego> ... In SDW WG I got a 2-month extension without seeming it was a big problem.
21:19:57 <roba> Are there comitted implementers for all the changes proposed?
21:20:01 <AndreaPerego> ... I agree that we should try to move it as quick as possible, but I think we have still some time.
21:21:00 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: About extensions, we want to be clear that if we ask for that, we need to be backed up by people commitment
21:21:23 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
21:22:00 <SimonCox> Tabulation of implementations: not yet!
21:22:22 <AndreaPerego> ncar: The DCAT group may have a table of implementations
21:22:42 <alejandra> I imagine we need to show implementation of the new elements - right?
21:22:47 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: What about the existing DCAT profiles? Can they be used as implementation evidence?
21:23:13 <DaveBrowning> +1 to Alejandra
21:23:22 <AndreaPerego> ... There's also the European Data Portal which can be used for that.
21:23:27 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:23:34 <PWinstanley> ack AndreaPerego
21:23:52 <kcoyle> https://w3c.github.io/spec-releases/milestones/
21:24:35 <Makx> q+ about existing DCAT profiles
21:25:43 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: to comment about PWinstanley  comment - existing specifications such as DCAT-AP might contain other classes - but we need to be careful.  the European Open Data Portal might not have everything (e.g. GeoDCAT-AP), so we need to ask Yuri Glikman to gethdetail
21:25:58 <PWinstanley> q?
21:26:12 <SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/680
21:26:16 <roba> q+
21:26:18 <Makx> All current DCAT profiles are DCAT-2014 profiles. I think they don't count for DCAT-2019
21:26:31 <DaveBrowning> q?
21:26:31 <PWinstanley> ack roba
21:26:42 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:26:53 <SimonCox> > I think they don't count for DCAT-2019
21:27:17 <SimonCox> they do for all the elements that are carried over
21:27:41 <Makx> Yes of course, Simon
21:27:59 <SimonCox> ... it is the new elements that we need to worry about (DataDistributionService, servesDataset,
21:28:10 <AndreaPerego> roba: About DCAT profiles, the question is whether we can consider profiles when they add new things
21:28:38 <AndreaPerego> ... [missed]
21:28:46 <PWinstanley> ack AndreaPerego
21:29:40 <SimonCox> qualifiedRelation,  )
21:29:54 <roba> DCAT 2014 profiles should be valid DCAT 2019 profiles if DCAT 2019 is backward compatible with DCAT 2014.. but how/why/where should we declare this?
21:30:08 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: ref comments by Makx  that DCAT-AP is based on DCAT2014, for me the DCAT2019 is based on DCAT2014, we have added new things and relaxed some constraints, but it is probably backwardl compatible.
21:30:28 <PWinstanley> ... all we need to justify is implementation evidence for the new aspects/components
21:30:37 <SimonCox> +1
21:30:41 <roba> +1
21:30:42 <ncar> new Ps & Cs: that's the table I want to check implementation off against. I have implemented some of the new ones already!
21:30:48 <PWinstanley> ... we are updating and extending DCAT, not rewriting it.
21:31:08 <alejandra> +q
21:31:09 <PWinstanley> q?
21:31:10 <kcoyle> q+
21:31:13 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:31:19 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: Yes, this makes sense
21:31:34 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to AndreaPerego  ( about demontrating adoption for  new properties and classes, in any case the legacy part should not be difficult to demonstrate)
21:32:08 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: About dates and process, and what does it mean having implementations, it seems we don't have a clear idea about the deadlines. Whare can we find the answers?
21:32:16 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
21:32:23 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: kcoyle was looking into it
21:32:49 <AndreaPerego> kcoyle: I don't have information for the implementation bit. I'll ask W3C staff about that.
21:34:14 <AndreaPerego> ... Anyway, if we go for Candidate REC in Feb, this may become REC in Apr. The latest we go should to meet the current deadline would be March.
21:34:26 <DaveBrowning> q+ to ask what else is needed for that timeline
21:34:39 <AndreaPerego> s/should to meet/to meet/
21:34:40 <PWinstanley> ack DaveBrowning
21:34:40 <Zakim> DaveBrowning, you wanted to ask what else is needed for that timeline
21:35:00 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: But what we need to have for that?
21:35:01 <riccardoAlbertoni> how long are we going to give for providing the implementation ?
21:35:14 <AndreaPerego> kcoyle: I think everything - implementations included
21:35:46 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:35:49 <AndreaPerego> ... I will ask Dave & Philippe which steps they are anticipating
21:36:20 <AndreaPerego> ... And this is just DCAT we are talking about. There are also the other 2 deliverables.
21:36:39 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: PROF is making progress
21:36:47 <ncar> q+
21:37:03 <PWinstanley> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:37:19 <AndreaPerego> kcoyle: Yes, but what about implementations of the other 2? What we need to have 2 independent implementatino for each?
21:37:28 <roba> roba - plan one implementation independent of Nicks of profile ontology and conneg
21:37:47 <PWinstanley> ack  ncar
21:37:51 <DaveBrowning> q+ to offer a view of where we are with DCAT rec.
21:37:56 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: I guess that many implementations will come from WG members, but it would be good to have external contributions
21:38:34 <AndreaPerego> ncar: I am  not very much concerned about profile conneg - we have already being working on an implementation of it
21:38:42 <PWinstanley> ack DaveBrowning
21:38:42 <Zakim> DaveBrowning, you wanted to offer a view of where we are with DCAT rec.
21:38:57 <AndreaPerego> ... I see it difficult to find implementations created outside the WG
21:39:18 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: alejandra and I were trying to understand where we are with DCAT
21:39:30 <kcoyle> yes, for me
21:39:33 <AndreaPerego> ... I can give a summary of it.
21:39:49 <AndreaPerego> [all curious]
21:40:09 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: We have a summary of the issues we plan to address
21:40:20 <DaveBrowning> 31 open requirements issues
21:40:36 <DaveBrowning> 57 other issues , 7 editoraial
21:41:51 <PWinstanley> s/editoraial/editorial/
21:42:10 <PWinstanley> s/implementatino/implementation/
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21:42:31 <AndreaPerego> regrets- annetteg
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21:43:32 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: About distributions, we keep on getting questions, so this needs to be thoroughly addressed before going for Candidate REC
21:43:40 <DaveBrowning> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/14  https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/15
21:45:03 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: These 2 milestones reflect what I think needs to be addressed, and it needs review and input about anything that may be missing etc.
21:45:38 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: So there are a few bits of work requiring WG work
21:46:01 <AndreaPerego> ... Plenaries and f2f should be the place where to do that.
21:46:23 <AndreaPerego> ... What people think? Suggestion for location and time for real f2f?
21:46:52 <kcoyle> sounds to me like some sprints are going to be needed in any case
21:46:53 <SimonCox> First week of June is too late for Makx's timetable :-)
21:46:57 <antoine> +1 for sprints
21:47:04 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1 for both, F2F in March
21:47:04 <alejandra> indeed, June too late
21:47:16 <DaveBrowning> +1 for sprints, since I can't do March
21:47:17 <kcoyle> first week too late for the standard w3c one, also
21:47:26 <roba> +1 for sprints
21:47:30 <AndreaPerego> +1 to March - although I don't know I can join
21:47:39 <riccardoAlbertoni> first week of march for me is very difficult.. but it is probably need
21:47:39 <SimonCox> But I predict Australians would not be able to make a March f2f ...
21:47:50 <AndreaPerego> +1 to sprints as well
21:47:51 <SimonCox> +1 to sprints
21:47:58 <riccardoAlbertoni> s\need\needed
21:48:16 <kcoyle> q+
21:48:24 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
21:48:25 <alejandra> +q
21:48:29 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: Should we then give it a try for a first sprint of 3-4 hour?
21:49:00 <AndreaPerego> kcoyle: I think we need also to decide about which deliverable we are talking about - the answer could be different
21:49:01 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
21:49:09 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: So, let's start with DCAT
21:49:35 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: I am in favour of sprints, but I cannot be sure I can join. So, how we do that?
21:49:40 <SimonCox> I suggest the separate teams need to plan the sprints
21:49:57 <kcoyle> half - full day is very hard to sustain
21:49:59 <roba> 3 hours probably better if online
21:50:19 <DaveBrowning> esp. if across geographies
21:50:37 <antoine> +1
21:50:39 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1 for shorter sprints, may be 2 of them?
21:50:41 <SimonCox> +1
21:50:41 <riccardoAlbertoni> 3 hours sprint could work
21:51:04 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: So, let's make a 3-hour one, taking into account time zones
21:51:44 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: Dave, about DCAT, do you have a proposal about what to put into a 3-hour sprint?
21:52:12 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: There are the clusters about distribution and versioning
21:52:35 <AndreaPerego> ... So, we can focus on them. alejandra, SimonCox are there other topics?
21:53:16 <AndreaPerego> SimonCox: I think the individual teams need to do the planning
21:53:37 <roba> suggest milestones for profgui
21:53:49 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: We question is also whether the sprint should also include other people
21:54:00 <roba> * oops sorry was mid edit...
21:54:10 <AndreaPerego> ... We can have both subgroup and plenary sprints, they are not mutually exclusive.
21:54:44 <SimonCox> q+
21:54:49 <PWinstanley> ack SimonCox
21:55:16 <AndreaPerego> SimonCox: My expectations is that the subgroups to the planning, but the whole WG needs to be invited
21:55:20 <roba> +1
21:55:25 <PWinstanley> +1
21:55:33 <Makx> +1
21:55:38 <roba> milestone suggestions for profgui: currently = "A definition of what is meant by an application profile and an explanation of one or more methods for publishing and sharing them."
21:56:18 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: So, I would suggest we have actions on subgroups to identify topics and feature list to be addressed in sprints
21:56:31 <roba> instead M1 Capture requirements from UCR and point to conneg and profiles ont options for addressing.  M2 provide  guidance for  other requirements
21:56:32 <AndreaPerego> ... Do you agree?
21:56:34 <kcoyle> +1
21:56:44 <roba> +1
21:56:45 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:56:51 <Makx> +1
21:56:54 <antoine> +1
21:56:55 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:56:56 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
21:57:58 <AndreaPerego> kcoyle: So, we need also to create quickly the doodle pools, considering time zones, given the precedence to people actively participating in terms of time slots
21:57:58 <DaveBrowning> q+
21:58:06 <PWinstanley> ack DaveBrowning
21:58:33 <SimonCox> Sorry - I have to leave now
21:59:58 <riccardoAlbertoni> ok
22:00:02 <roba> ok
22:00:03 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> yes
22:00:04 <DaveBrowning> ok
22:00:08 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: So, probably it is better if subgroups create the doodle poll looking at specific people, but please inform everyone.
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22:00:46 <AndreaPerego> ... So, let's try to do this within the next 2-3 weeks
22:00:50 <AndreaPerego> ... AOB?
22:01:01 <roba> * bye
22:01:06 <AndreaPerego> [silence]
22:01:11 <Makx> bye
22:01:11 <ncar> bye!
22:01:12 <roba> :-)
22:01:15 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> thanks!
22:01:15 <AndreaPerego> PWinstanley: Thanks everyone then!
22:01:26 <AndreaPerego> [meeting adjourned]
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22:01:33 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present-