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20:03:43 <trackbot> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
20:03:43 <trackbot> Date: 16 January 2019
20:04:28 <LarsG> Meeting: DXWG CNEG Subgroup telecon
20:04:40 <ncar> present+
20:04:45 <LarsG> present+
20:05:20 <LarsG> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:CNEG-Telecon2019.01.16
20:05:25 <roba> present+
20:08:45 <ncar> chair: LarsG
20:09:04 <roba> scribenick" roba
20:09:21 <roba> scribenick: roba
20:09:33 <LarsG> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:CNEG-Telecon2019.01.16
20:09:42 <roba> TOPIC: confirm agenda
20:10:03 <roba> ncar: minutes link is broken
20:12:07 <ncar> agenda for the last meeting: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:CNEG-Telecon2018.12.05
20:13:54 <roba> TOPIC: approve minutes
20:14:39 <roba> larsg: minutes appear to be missing - we reviewed open actions and will address then.
20:15:21 <roba> TOPIC: open actions https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/products/4
20:16:13 <roba> close: action-231
20:16:32 <roba> close action-231
20:16:32 <trackbot> Closed action-231.
20:16:56 <LarsG> action-234?
20:16:56 <trackbot> action-234 -- Nicholas Car to Use definitions to create abstract model diagram and text -- due 2018-10-17 -- OPEN
20:16:56 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/234
20:17:57 <roba> roba: i think we need to finalise details of model for this and sequence diagram
20:18:42 <LarsG> ... so we leave 234 and 235 open
20:18:55 <LarsG> action-264?
20:18:55 <trackbot> action-264 -- Lars G. Svensson to Check moratorium dates -- due 2018-11-28 -- OPEN
20:18:55 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/264
20:19:09 <LarsG> action-241?
20:19:09 <trackbot> action-241 -- Rob Atkinson to Clarify #264 -- due 2018-11-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
20:19:09 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/241
20:19:13 <roba> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/264
20:20:23 <LarsG> roba: This is important for profile negotiation
20:21:10 <LarsG> ... The UCR says in "5.5 Discover available content profiles"
20:21:50 <LarsG> ncar: ID5 covers the github issue #264
20:22:00 <LarsG> roba: not sure it's exactly the same
20:22:30 <LarsG> ... what the req doesn't say is where this metadata resides
20:22:47 <roba> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/ucr/#RPFMD
20:22:49 <LarsG> ... (req 6.1.3.1)
20:23:32 <LarsG> ncar: can we say that 6.1.3.1 covers issue #264?
20:23:55 <LarsG> ... if we're not losing anything we should be fine
20:24:54 <roba> close action-241 issue closed - requirement https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/ucr/#RPFMD handles this
20:25:44 <LarsG> roba: requirement https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/ucr/#RPFMD handles this so we can close the action
20:26:21 <LarsG> close action-241
20:26:21 <trackbot> Closed action-241.
20:26:39 <LarsG> action-243?
20:26:39 <trackbot> action-243 -- Rob Atkinson to Go back through the discussion, come to a conclusion, discuss with antoine and work out what requirement #267 actually meant -- due 2018-11-01 -- PENDINGREVIEW
20:26:39 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/243
20:27:40 <LarsG> roba: analysis has been done (cf note in action)
20:27:55 <roba> relates to https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/267
20:29:16 <roba> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/ucr/#RDIC
20:29:32 <LarsG> ... is the requirement we're talking about
20:30:05 <LarsG> ... seems to cover the use case
20:30:08 <roba> roba: i think this covers
20:30:23 <LarsG> ... If we have something like an OGC feature service wrapping
20:30:35 <LarsG> ... a list of items in a container
20:30:58 <LarsG> ... then the profile can be for the container or the list
20:31:09 <LarsG> ncar: it's not limited to DCAT
20:31:25 <LarsG> roba: If you say that a distribution conforms to a profile
20:31:48 <LarsG> ... then it can conform to several profiles independently specifiying the container
20:31:53 <LarsG> ... or the list items
20:32:12 <LarsG> ... a container can be e. g. GML FeatureCollection
20:32:25 <LarsG> ncar: and that is not in the accept-header
20:32:43 <LarsG> roba: The profile doesn't refer to the container but to the actual
20:33:03 <LarsG> ... features and that is similar for all services returning
20:33:09 <LarsG> ... lists of items.
20:33:23 <LarsG> ncar: So the solution is to say that it conforms to two profiles
20:33:33 <LarsG> ... one for the container and one for the items in the container
20:34:05 <LarsG> roba: The question is if it's a requirement, not to specify the details of it
20:34:32 <LarsG> ... another example is a zipped package with several items
20:35:49 <LarsG> ... that have their own media types
20:37:01 <roba> larsg: can do this by asking for mime type application/gzip etc or another (Accept-Encoding?)
20:37:14 <LarsG> ncar: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7231#page-41
20:37:54 <roba> roba: we have three levels here : encoding, container elements in data and content items contained
20:39:11 <roba> ... or ATOM or RSS feeds - profiles would be likely to be scope to listed items
20:41:39 <roba> roba: lets say we have a news service - we have a service profile that a feed contains the "most recent 10 and the 10 most popular items" - and each news items conforms to a specific citation profile
20:42:40 <roba> ... do we have this covered in an issue?
20:42:58 <roba> ... noting requirement is very general and we need to get down to specifics
20:44:04 <LarsG> ncar: we have probably gone beyond what the original writers
20:44:11 <LarsG> ... of the requirement intended
20:44:27 <LarsG> roba: we should go back to the use case
20:44:29 <roba> "Provide a means to specify the container structure of a distribution for access methods that return lists, independently of the specification of the profile the list items conform to."
20:45:14 <LarsG> ... we need to work out how the concern how this requirement is expressed
20:45:44 <LarsG> ... functions for the conneg guidance document
20:46:00 <roba> "A client wishes to know for which profiles a server is able to deliver conformant representations of a resource. "
20:46:10 <LarsG> ... in the "abstract model" section we talk about this in a general fashion
20:46:21 <LarsG> ... but we need to raise an issue to clarify what happens when
20:46:29 <LarsG> ... there is a profile for the meaning of the list
20:46:42 <LarsG> ... as opposed to a profile of what is listed
20:48:00 <LarsG> ... the requirement is in the use case
20:48:09 <LarsG> ... shall follow up with antoine
20:49:25 <roba> proposal: refer to  issue #267 in abstract model
20:49:38 <LarsG> +1
20:49:41 <roba> +1
20:49:53 <ncar> +1
20:49:56 <roba> resolved: refer to  issue #267 in abstract model
20:53:26 <LarsG> action-262?
20:53:26 <trackbot> action-262 -- Rob Atkinson to Propose a copy edit (retaining original sense) and add an issue for list_profile responsibility -- due 2018-11-28 -- OPEN
20:53:26 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/262
20:55:50 <roba> close action-262
20:55:50 <trackbot> Closed action-262.
20:58:24 <LarsG> ncar: #379 doesn't have anything that isn't in #575 so we keep that one open
20:58:46 <LarsG> ... and we can close #379 and action-263
20:59:37 <roba> close #379
20:59:59 <roba> close action-263
20:59:59 <trackbot> Closed action-263.
21:00:07 <LarsG> action-264?
21:00:07 <trackbot> action-264 -- Lars G. Svensson to Check moratorium dates -- due 2018-11-28 -- OPEN
21:00:07 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/264
21:00:17 <roba> close action-264
21:00:17 <trackbot> Closed action-264.
21:01:03 <roba> TOPIC: comments
21:01:56 <roba> proposed: accept issues #662 and #663
21:02:44 <roba> +1
21:02:48 <ncar> +1
21:03:14 <LarsG> +1
21:03:20 <roba> resolved: accept issues #662 and #663
21:03:47 <roba> ACTION: ncar - respond to reviewer with issue references
21:03:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-277 - - respond to reviewer with issue references [on Nicholas Car - due 2019-01-23].
21:05:11 <roba> RRSAgent, draft minutes
21:05:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/01/16-dxwgcneg-minutes.html roba
21:05:15 <roba> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:05:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2019/01/16-dxwgcneg-minutes.html roba
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