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20:55:42 <DaveBrowning> meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference 12 December 2018 21:00 UTC
20:55:55 <DaveBrowning> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.12.12
20:56:09 <DaveBrowning> chair: DaveBrowning
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20:56:55 <DaveBrowning> present+
20:57:17 <DaveBrowning> regrets+ Simon Cox, Alasdair Gray (ongoing), Erik Mannens (ongoing), Thomas D'Haenens (ongoing), Lars Svensson (ongoing)
20:57:52 <DaveBrowning> regrets: Simon Cox, Alasdair Gray, Erik Mannens, Thomas D'Haenens, Lars Svensson
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21:02:36 <AndreaPerego> present+ AndreaPerego
21:03:21 <alejandra> present+
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21:04:56 <riccardoAlbertoni> present+
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21:07:05 <AndreaPerego> scribenick: AndreaPerego
21:07:32 <AndreaPerego> topic: Confirm agenda
21:07:40 <DaveBrowning> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.12.12
21:08:57 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: Talk with alejandra yesterday. We are working towards a 2PWD, but considering timing it is probably better to postpone it to January.
21:09:27 <AndreaPerego> ... About what the 2PWD will contain, I have a pretty good idea.
21:09:58 <AndreaPerego> s/January/January - February/
21:10:03 <alejandra> working towards 3PWD at the moment
21:10:18 <AndreaPerego> ... It may be useful doing some housekeeping.
21:10:39 <AndreaPerego> ... We still have to respond to people's comments.
21:11:05 <alejandra> +q
21:11:11 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
21:11:18 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: Everybody's happy with the agenda, or other priorities?
21:11:31 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: I agree that we should revise milestones, and assign tasks.
21:12:08 <AndreaPerego> ... First of all, for the people usually not joining the subgroup calls, we should send a mail pointing to the relevant issues.
21:12:41 <AndreaPerego> ... One of them being the identifier-related issue.
21:13:11 <AndreaPerego> ... Maybe we can aim for having the 2PWD in early January.
21:14:03 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: I agree with the proposal.
21:14:20 <AndreaPerego> s/2PWD/3PWD/
21:14:21 <AndreaPerego> s/2PWD/3PWD/
21:14:25 <AndreaPerego> s/2PWD/3PWD/
21:14:45 <AndreaPerego> topic: Approve last meeting's minutes
21:14:53 <DaveBrowning> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.12.05
21:14:56 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: It was only SimonCox and me.
21:15:03 <AndreaPerego> 0
21:15:03 <alejandra> +1
21:15:05 <riccardoAlbertoni> 0 ( i was not there)
21:15:08 <DaveBrowning> 0
21:15:27 <DaveBrowning> https://www.w3.org/2018/12/05-dxwgdcat-minutes
21:15:28 <AndreaPerego> resolved: approved last meeting's minutes
21:15:38 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:15:46 <AndreaPerego> topic: Open actions
21:15:53 <DaveBrowning> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
21:16:24 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: Some of these are done.
21:16:58 <alejandra> +q
21:17:16 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q to say close my action 259
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21:17:31 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
21:17:32 <AndreaPerego> ... AndreaPerego you wanted to close some of them.
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21:18:51 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: Yes, it's 85 and 86. I made a PR and sent a mail about that -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2018Nov/0744.html
21:19:00 <alejandra> I can close the actions now
21:19:18 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: Actually, the PR has been merged, and now the revision is in the ED.
21:20:01 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: So we should probably close 85 & 86
21:20:02 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:20:09 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:20:09 <Zakim> riccardoAlbertoni, you wanted to say close my action 259
21:20:44 <alejandra> +1 to closing 259
21:20:55 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: I propose to close https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/259 as I think I've addressed it.
21:20:56 <Makx> present+ Makx
21:21:15 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
21:21:48 <AndreaPerego> close action-85
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21:22:01 <AndreaPerego> close action-86
21:22:01 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
21:22:05 <AndreaPerego> close action-259
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21:22:29 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:22:36 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
21:22:57 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: Maybe we can close also https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/123
21:24:27 <AndreaPerego> close action-123
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21:25:08 <AndreaPerego> topic: Public comments list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-comments/
21:25:29 <alejandra> new reply by Luca Trani: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-comments/2018Dec/0000.html
21:25:45 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: Luca Trani replied to AndreaPerego's reply.
21:26:30 <AndreaPerego> ... Did anyone have the opportunity to read it?
21:26:37 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: Not yet.
21:26:50 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: Not yet.
21:27:22 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: So we need to look into it in case anything needs to be changed.
21:27:55 <AndreaPerego> ... I volunteer to review it - others are welcome - especially AndreaPerego
21:29:01 <AndreaPerego> action: AndreaPerego to review Luca Trani's response and report to DCAT subgroup
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21:29:46 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: I don't think we have any other responses. SimonCox planned to send a longer response to Clemens Portele.
21:29:59 <AndreaPerego> ... Let's wait until he's back.
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21:30:25 <AndreaPerego> topic:  outstanding work
21:30:35 <alejandra> this is the milestone (subject to change): https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/14
21:31:33 <alejandra> +q
21:31:44 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: Should we reduce the list of milestones to be able to deliver the 3PWD in Jan?
21:31:44 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
21:32:27 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: As I said, I think we should prioritise and assign tasks, and leave the ones we are not able to address to the next PWD.
21:32:43 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:32:56 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
21:34:14 <Makx> +1 to Andrea
21:34:46 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: +1 to alejandra's proposal. Also, we can do the other way round: we decide on the date of the release and we implement only what we are able to do.
21:35:05 <AndreaPerego> ... Actually, we already have 2 substantial changes: identifiers & rights.
21:35:23 <alejandra> we also have qualified attributes
21:35:28 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:35:47 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: Looking at the taks in the milestone, I'm not sure I remind the full context of all of them.
21:35:50 <riccardoAlbertoni> q-
21:36:21 <AndreaPerego> ... Are there any that are not going to affect the 3PWD, as we need more time?
21:36:27 <AndreaPerego> q?
21:36:28 <Makx> q+
21:36:35 <DaveBrowning> ack Makx
21:37:06 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+
21:37:28 <AndreaPerego> Makx: Maybe the ones on data quality and project context. There was some discussion on project context, about whether its in or out of scope.
21:37:54 <AndreaPerego> ... The one about identifiers can be in a good position  for the 3PWD.
21:37:56 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: +1
21:38:15 <DaveBrowning> q?
21:38:18 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:38:45 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: The data quality issue was left open to have further review and comments on the proposal.
21:39:14 <Makx> q+
21:39:14 <AndreaPerego> ... We already had a round of review, probably we can think to leave it open, and focus on it in the next round.
21:39:41 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: I am happy to update GH to make it clear were we are for each issue.
21:40:32 <alejandra> +q
21:40:37 <DaveBrowning> ack Makx
21:41:09 <AndreaPerego> Makx: For me there are two issues in the milestones that we should try to finish what we - the ones I mentioned earlier.
21:42:04 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
21:42:38 <AndreaPerego> ... For data quality, probably we are not ready. I was on a webinar with alejandra about FAIR principles and there's kind of requirement of having conformance with FAIR principles in metadata. This is another case for data quality.
21:42:56 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:43:05 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: I think it's an important issue, but unsure about the timing.
21:43:11 <Makx> You're right, Alejandra
21:43:23 <Makx> q+
21:43:26 <AndreaPerego> ... Probably, we should focus at the moment on what is almost ready.
21:43:29 <riccardoAlbertoni> q-
21:43:32 <AndreaPerego> q'
21:43:38 <AndreaPerego> s/q'//
21:43:42 <DaveBrowning> ack Makx
21:44:02 <DaveBrowning> q?
21:44:18 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:44:26 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
21:44:49 <Makx> q+
21:45:08 <alejandra> +q
21:45:16 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+
21:45:55 <DaveBrowning> ack Makx
21:45:59 <DaveBrowning> q+
21:46:32 <PWinstanley> +1 to Makx - I think this is very true
21:46:36 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: Just suggesting that, once we have decided about the relevant issues, we should put in the agenda for the next call, and decide whether they are or not ready to be included in the next PWD.
21:47:32 <AndreaPerego> Makx: About comments, actually, I'm a bit concerned about the lack of feedback. I pointed many people who are supposed to be very much interested but no feedback so far.
21:47:54 <DaveBrowning> q?
21:48:10 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
21:48:20 <AndreaPerego> ... Unclear why this happens - are they happy with the changes? are they just thinking that they eventually will pick up just what they will like?
21:48:33 <AndreaPerego> ... I'm not sure how to do to address this.
21:49:15 <DaveBrowning> q?
21:49:34 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: About AndreaPerego's proposal, I agree, but we just have 1 meeting before Christmas. So, because of the timing, let's try to discuss in the tracker, and see if we can get an agreement.
21:49:34 <Makx> q+
21:49:36 <DaveBrowning> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:49:38 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:50:01 <alejandra> that's right - we do get comments on github
21:50:06 <Makx> q-
21:50:43 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni: I wonder whether part of the comments are included in GH. I noticed that non-members are putting comments there. This kind of comments should count as external review and suggestions, and show when we are going to propose the new version of DCAT.
21:51:33 <AndreaPerego> ... Alos, if we want to close some issue, maybe we can add labels as done by Nick and Rob, to mark them as due to be closed, so to see if people would object.
21:51:38 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:51:46 <alejandra> good idea, riccardoAlbertoni
21:51:59 <DaveBrowning> ack DaveBrowning
21:53:19 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
21:56:38 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: I would be good if we can identify issues that are not at all controversial.
21:57:11 <Makx> q+
21:57:23 <DaveBrowning> ack Makx
21:57:43 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: [suggesting to use mail + calls to take decision on what should be put in the PWD]
21:58:08 <alejandra> +q
21:58:10 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: It would be good, but the problem is timing.
21:58:43 <AndreaPerego> Makx: I tend to agree with AndreaPerego's proposal, also based on my experience.
21:59:09 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:59:21 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
22:00:59 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
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22:03:02 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: I am a bit negative here. We did follow a process, and what was done has been documented in GH and on the wiki, so we should be able to always point people to the right place.
22:03:19 <AndreaPerego> ... We'd rather focus on the work to be done without changing the process.
22:03:34 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: We are running out of time. AOB?
22:03:34 <riccardoAlbertoni> thanks bye
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22:03:53 <AndreaPerego> [meeting adjourned]
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