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20:47:42 <PWinstanley> regrets+ Riccardo Albertoni, Andrea Perego, Makx, Simon Cox, Antoine, Ixchel Faniel
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21:05:35 <kcoyle> we need a scribe - anyone?
21:06:05 <kcoyle> meeting: DXWG plenary
21:06:09 <kcoyle> chair: Karen Coyle
21:06:19 <annette_g> I can scribe
21:06:21 <kcoyle> rrsagent, please create minutes v2
21:06:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/12/04-dxwg-minutes.html kcoyle
21:06:58 <annette_g> scribe: annette_g
21:08:47 <DaveBrowning> present+
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21:09:25 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2018/11/27-dxwg-minutes
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21:09:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/12/04-dxwg-minutes.html DaveBrowning
21:09:41 <annette_g> proposed: accept minutes of Nov. 27, 2018
21:10:06 <annette_g> +0 wasn't therre
21:10:11 <kcoyle> +1
21:10:14 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
21:10:14 <DaveBrowning> +0 (not present)
21:10:17 <roba> +1
21:10:19 <PWinstanley> +1
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21:10:37 <annette_g> resolved: accept minutes of Nov. 27, 2018
21:10:56 <annette_g> topic: open actions
21:11:29 <annette_g> number 266, Jaroslav
21:12:18 <annette_g> Jaroslav_Pullmann: working on sorting out which issues are serious and which are less so.
21:12:27 <annette_g> kcoyle: that's fine, not due this week.
21:12:45 <annette_g> Jaroslav_Pullmann: the timeline is to have this done by the end of this week?
21:13:08 <annette_g> kcoyle: by the moratorium
21:13:19 <annette_g> ... which starts on the 19th
21:13:58 <annette_g> Things are published on tuesdays and thursdays, so we should aim for a few days ahead of one of those.
21:14:37 <annette_g> next one is for us all to review the UCR doc.
21:14:58 <annette_g> Nothing else we can cover today. Most action items are DCAT ones.
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21:15:31 <annette_g> topic: Two FPWDs, Profile Negotiation and Profile Ontology update
21:16:19 <annette_g> roba: David got back to Nick about publishing this thing on Thursday. I don't believe there are any showstoppers.
21:16:55 <annette_g> ... there seemed to be an intent to get it out on Thursday
21:17:16 <roba> "You and I can work together on this with a view to having it published this Thursday. Is that okay with you?  I am busy today but will have some time tomorrow to move this along."
21:17:27 <ncar> Apologies all, can’t stay. My reports are that the two FPWDs will be published Thursday morning barring any unforeseen issues. Time set by DSR. Also, an ESWC paper on Profiles Ont is almost done. Also we are aiming for a Profile conned Implementation in CKAN
21:18:00 <annette_g> kcoyle: I was sort of hoping we would get more of an explanation of what's going on with the thing I forwarded. The suggestion for dx- at the beginning of the short names was excepted, right?
21:18:04 <annette_g> roba: yes
21:18:24 <ncar> Sorry, no WebEx
21:19:12 <annette_g> kcoyle: I believe there are still questions about domain names for ontologies. I sent an email out to Dave and Alejandra, Nick, Rob, a few others. There are a few issues to resolve there, but they don't have to be solved right now.
21:20:03 <annette_g> roba: we're going forward with the namespace as agreed in the group. We haven't heard anything back from W3C on that, shouldn't be a showstopper one way or the other.
21:20:50 <annette_g> kcoyle: so we're planning on publication on Thursday, then outreach.
21:21:00 <annette_g> ... do we have a text to go out?
21:21:29 <annette_g> roba: not sure, I think Nick may have started drafting something, but I want to take a look at it before it goes out.
21:22:05 <annette_g> kcoyle: we know we won't get a great deal of response over the holidays. Personal outreach is a good idea.
21:22:22 <annette_g> ... The earliest deadline for responses would be mid-January. Do we want to set it that early?
21:22:55 <annette_g> roba: I think the text should simply say that we'll guarantee to respond to feedback by a certain date but we'll welcome feedback later than that.
21:23:14 <annette_g> kcoyle: It's always good to give people a real deadline. We need to respond to everyone.
21:23:25 <ncar> I only drafted a basic email for release  will send a suggested intro for both FPWDs to mailing list today. Apologies, have to go, kids
21:23:48 <kcoyle> resolved: comment day for FPWDs will be January 15 or so.
21:24:29 <annette_g> topic: DCAT status
21:24:42 <annette_g> kcoyle: DaveBrowning, can you give an update?
21:25:10 <annette_g> ... do you have a target date?
21:25:18 <annette_g> DaveBrowning: not quite
21:25:58 <annette_g> ...we haven't yet made up our mind about what we'd be able to get done.
21:26:40 <annette_g> s/target date/plan for what to include in the next draft/
21:27:59 <annette_g> DaveBrowning: last week we talked about a couple of things, but no decisions as to what will go in. We still think it's a good idea to do. We should be able to do that.
21:28:38 <annette_g> ...the question of the overall timeline to rec by the end of the working group is something we should talk about, not necessarily here.
21:29:02 <annette_g> We still have a number of issues we think we should address by mid January.
21:29:23 <annette_g> We should keep an eye toward that over the next couple of weeks.
21:30:05 <annette_g> kcoyle: we can always have a meeting over Skype or something to sort this out.
21:30:35 <annette_g> DaveBrowning: I think it's best to have the discussion when we know where we are.
21:30:57 <annette_g> topic: Revision of the UCR
21:31:02 <kcoyle> https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/ucr_profile_requirements/ucr/index.html
21:31:33 <annette_g> The work is mainly around new reqs for profiles and content negotiation
21:32:39 <annette_g> Jaroslav_Pullmann: the change was loosely based on the email by Antoine.
21:33:03 <kcoyle> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2018Nov/0802.html
21:33:15 <annette_g> we didn't use third-level headlines.
21:34:06 <annette_g> Jaroslav_Pullmann: we address what functionality do profiles serve, and profile content negotiation.
21:34:34 <kcoyle> proposed: accept this draft of the UCR and re-issue as WD
21:34:53 <annette_g> Jaroslav_Pullmann: the question is should the notes be published along with the draft?
21:35:05 <annette_g> ... we could comment them out.
21:35:09 <annette_g> kcoyle: there aren't many
21:35:34 <annette_g> Jaroslav_Pullmann: we had a request to reconsider grouping, but the notes weren't criticized.
21:35:59 <annette_g> Jaroslav_Pullmann: some of the notes don't seem particularly relevant to readers.
21:36:06 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/ucr_profile_requirements/ucr/index.html#RPFDAPUB-1
21:37:04 <annette_g> Jaroslav_Pullmann: that one reads as being somewhat internal. I would not delete them, just comment them out.
21:37:15 <annette_g> kcoyle: Do you feel the document is not ready?
21:37:16 <roba> q+
21:37:29 <annette_g> Jaroslav_Pullmann: no, I think we should ask for review from the community
21:37:42 <kcoyle> ack roba
21:37:52 <annette_g> ... we should freeze the doc and ask for wider review
21:38:13 <annette_g> roba: I think we should remove the Google doc reference, as it's confusing to external readers.
21:38:36 <kcoyle> action: Jaroslav_Pullmann comment out references to google doc from UCR, but leave the general comments
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21:39:06 <annette_g> action on Jaroslav_Pullmann to comment out references to google doc from UCR, but leave the general comments
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21:39:35 <kcoyle> action Jaroslav_Pullmann to comment out references to google doc from UCR, but leave the general comments
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21:39:56 <kcoyle> action: Jaroslav_Pullmann to comment out references to google doc from UCR, but leave the general comments
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21:40:59 <DaveBrowning> q?
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21:41:26 <annette_g> kcoyle: contact Dave Raggett, assuming Antoine is in agreement. Copy Peter and me to ask what he needs from you. BTW, Antoine should be added to the editors list.
21:42:16 <annette_g> kcoyle: does anyone have anything to add to the agenda?
21:42:20 <annette_g> silence ensues.
21:42:32 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
21:42:42 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
21:42:58 <annette_g> Jaroslav_Pullmann: If we try to resolve issues by tuesday, will be publish the UCR as a new working draft?
21:43:20 <annette_g> kcoyle: I will send a note to the public list saying we will publish unless there are objections.
21:43:32 <annette_g> s/will be/will we/
21:44:35 <annette_g> kcoyle: I feel that I hear consensus, but we should send out the email just in case.
21:44:49 <kcoyle> action: kcoyle ask DSR if we need plenary link for subsequent drafts
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21:44:49 <roba> * why not put a resolution in now in case?
21:45:34 <annette_g> kcoyle: it's up the thread above
21:45:39 <kcoyle> proposed: accept this draft of the UCR and re-issue as WD, after removal of G-Doc links
21:45:46 <annette_g> +1
21:45:47 <roba> +1
21:45:49 <kcoyle> +1
21:45:50 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
21:45:57 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:45:57 <PWinstanley> +1
21:46:07 <annette_g> resolved: accept this draft of the UCR and re-issue as WD, after removal of G-Doc links
21:46:36 <kcoyle> action: kcoyle send note to list re this UCR draft
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21:47:11 <annette_g> kcoyle: anything else?
21:47:54 <kcoyle> rrsagent, please create minutes v2
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21:48:16 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> bye!
21:48:18 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present-