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20:52:00 <DaveBrowning> rrsagent, generate minutes v2
20:52:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/21-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBrowning
20:53:18 <DaveBrowning> meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference 21 November 2018
20:56:35 <DaveBrowning> regrets Alasdair Gray, Erik Mannens, Thomas D'Haenens, Lars Svensson, Makx
20:56:43 <DaveBrowning> rrsagent, generate minutes v2
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20:57:22 <DaveBrowning> regrets+ Alasdair Gray, Erik Mannens, Thomas D'Haenens, Lars Svensson, Makx
20:57:31 <DaveBrowning> present+
20:57:36 <DaveBrowning> rrsagent, generate minutes v2
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20:59:16 <DaveBrowning> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.11.21
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21:04:12 <RiccardoAlbertoni> present+
21:05:29 <DaveBrowning> scribenick: SimonCox
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21:05:38 <DaveBrowning> scribe: SimonCox
21:06:17 <SimonCox> Meeting: DCAT 2018-11-22
21:06:32 <SimonCox> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.11.21
21:06:51 <SimonCox> chair: DaveBrowning
21:06:51 <alejandra> +q
21:07:41 <SimonCox> alejandra: comment from @smrgeoinfo on 2PWD
21:07:51 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
21:07:56 <SimonCox> ... discussion on identifiers
21:08:29 <SimonCox> ... also funder
21:08:48 <alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/529
21:10:44 <SimonCox> agenda agreed with addition of funders, identifiers
21:11:05 <SimonCox> minutes of last meeting https://www.w3.org/2018/11/07-dxwgdcat-minutes
21:11:26 <alejandra> +1
21:11:29 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:11:32 <DaveBrowning> propose: accept minutes of last meeting
21:11:38 <SimonCox> 0 (not present)
21:11:39 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:11:40 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:11:51 <SimonCox> resolved: accept minutes of last meeting
21:12:08 <SimonCox> topic: open actions
21:12:15 <SimonCox> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
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21:14:12 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: Qualified relations action 125 - wiki page now in use
21:14:51 <DaveBrowning> ... page has examples, perhaps now is thetime to close the action
21:15:52 <DaveBrowning> link is here : https://csiro.webex.com/csiro/j.php?MTID=m7f5ece41d26d5e36c16af8c20faadc15
21:17:43 <AndreaPerego> present+ AndreaPerego
21:18:02 <SimonCox> present+
21:21:01 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: access rights and license need decisionn from WG
21:22:17 <SimonCox> ... clarify that access rights are for access permissions not use permission
21:23:10 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:23:32 <DaveBrowning> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
21:23:55 <AndreaPerego> About accessRights, relevant issues are https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/160 & https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/59
21:24:42 <DaveBrowning> q?
21:24:43 <SimonCox> RiccardoAlbertoni: need to maintain consensus
21:24:57 <SimonCox> can you summarize the disagreement AndreaPerego ?
21:25:27 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:25:55 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
21:25:57 <SimonCox> ack AndreaPerego
21:26:34 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: 3 properties in DC - rights, accessRights, licenseoriginal proposal was based on ass
21:26:52 <SimonCox> s/original proposal was based on ass//
21:27:06 <SimonCox> original proposal was based on assumption that these could be cleanly separated
21:27:18 <DaveBrowning> q+
21:27:29 <DaveBrowning> q-
21:27:30 <SimonCox> s/original/... original/
21:27:55 <SimonCox> ... discovery use-cases complicate this
21:28:24 <SimonCox> ... particularly if use- and access- are combined in one description
21:28:43 <SimonCox> ... then there is ODRL capability
21:29:00 <SimonCox> q+
21:29:03 <DaveBrowning> q+
21:29:09 <DaveBrowning> ack SimonCox
21:30:23 <SimonCox> Topic: rights
21:31:21 <AndreaPerego> Access policies in ODRL: http://w3c.github.io/poe/bp/#example-2-representation-of-access-policies-to-digital-resources
21:31:32 <SimonCox> the concern is whether all rights are bundled in one property (possibly structured in and ODRL form), or split across multiple DC properties
21:31:47 <SimonCox> s/and/an/
21:32:16 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: iff bundled makes it difficult to select/fileter in discovery scenarios
21:32:23 <SimonCox> s/iff/if/
21:32:32 <SimonCox> s/fileter/filter/
21:32:58 <SimonCox> q+
21:33:25 <DaveBrowning> ack DaveBrowning
21:33:33 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: came across this problem when dealing with lawyers
21:33:56 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: has been looking at Google dataset search
21:34:23 <SimonCox> ... is quite rudimentary. Appears that they are only looking at content of 'license' tag
21:34:40 <SimonCox> ... often includes access and 'fair use' provisions
21:35:05 <alejandra> they only recommend schema:license - https://developers.google.com/search/docs/data-types/dataset
21:35:19 <SimonCox> ... the legacy will be difficult, in DCAT we can make a _recommendation_ but not necessarily widespread adoption
21:35:25 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:35:32 <DaveBrowning> ack SimonCox
21:36:40 <DaveBrowning> SimonCox: Getting adoption may be hard, but some will pay attention particularly where its important and understood
21:38:16 <DaveBrowning> ... need to be careful of creating too much nuance
21:38:38 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
21:39:14 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: proposal was primarily a recommendation for people mmoving forward
21:39:27 <AndreaPerego> OpenAIRE access levels: https://guidelines.openaire.eu/en/latest/literature/field_accesslevel.html
21:39:36 <AndreaPerego> MDR access rights: http://publications.europa.eu/mdr/resource/authority/access-right/html/access-right-eng.html
21:39:52 <SimonCox> ... the distinction bbetween access and use rights really is made by some users now
21:40:33 <DaveBrowning> q?
21:40:43 <SimonCox> q+
21:41:01 <DaveBrowning> ack SimonCox
21:41:21 <SimonCox> ...       people who want to do the right thing do deserve some guidance
21:41:36 <SimonCox> Is there a suitable text available?
21:42:06 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
21:42:11 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: will make a proposal in the issue
21:42:17 <DaveBrowning> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
21:42:44 <AndreaPerego> s/MDR access rights/DCAT-AP access rights/
21:42:47 <SimonCox> RiccardoAlbertoni: will this create a normative provision?
21:43:11 <AndreaPerego> I think it can be kept informative.
21:44:03 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:45:26 <SimonCox> RiccardoAlbertoni: informative parts of document are important. Don't need to be 100% sure about guidelines.
21:45:28 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
21:46:15 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: original DCAT did not provide enough examples and guidelines
21:46:24 <SimonCox> ... this led to too much diversity!
21:46:43 <DaveBrowning> rrsagent, generate minutes v2
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21:47:15 <SimonCox> ... in this case we are just clarifying different roles of license and accessRights and why it might be useful for metadata providers to separate the information
21:48:02 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: definitely need more guidance within the DCAT doc
21:49:01 <AndreaPerego> Yep! Thank you
21:49:10 <SimonCox> action: AndreaPerego to draft proposal and add togithub issue
21:49:10 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
21:49:59 <alejandra> +q
21:50:03 <SimonCox> topic: Next PWD?
21:50:22 <DaveBrowning> ack ale
21:50:25 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
21:50:32 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: need to commit now if we are to achieve this in Nov/Dec
21:50:58 <SimonCox> alejandra: do we have enough change?
21:51:23 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:51:26 <SimonCox> ... very few major issues have been concluded
21:51:50 <SimonCox> ... target (i) rights/license (ii) identifiers (3 related issues)
21:51:56 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
21:52:19 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: look at milestone?
21:52:27 <alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/14
21:52:41 <alejandra> +q
21:53:23 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
21:54:27 <SimonCox> alejandra: will split issues between 3pwd milestone and a final milestone
21:54:46 <alejandra> +1 to Xmas release
21:54:52 <SimonCox> DaveBrowning: urgesss 3pwd before xmas
21:54:58 <SimonCox> s/sss/s/
21:56:08 <SimonCox> action: alejandra to split milestone
21:56:08 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
21:56:29 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:57:38 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
21:57:46 <SimonCox> ... infofmed decision will be possible in January, when real deadlines will be better known
21:57:56 <SimonCox> s/infofed/informed/
21:59:59 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: following threads accross the GitHub issues is challenging - lets foccus on the issues in the milestones
22:00:20 <DaveBrowning> rrsagent, generate minutes v2
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22:00:23 <SimonCox> All agree to focus on milestone issues
22:00:28 <DaveBrowning> rrsagent, generate minutes v2
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22:00:29 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +q
22:00:36 <DaveBrowning> ack ric
22:00:38 <DaveBrowning> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
22:01:28 <SimonCox> RiccardoAlbertoni: lets try to create agenda with 2 days notice and identify which issues will be actually discussed.
22:01:43 <SimonCox> ... e.g. next call: do identifiers
22:02:33 <DaveBrowning> rrsagent, generate minutes v2
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22:02:33 <SimonCox> RRSAgent: draft minutes v2
22:02:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/21-dxwgdcat-minutes.html SimonCox
22:03:45 <SimonCox> s/infofmed/informed/
22:03:50 <SimonCox> RRSAgent: draft minutes v2
22:03:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/21-dxwgdcat-minutes.html SimonCox