20:02:11 RRSAgent has joined #dxwgcneg 20:02:11 logging to https://www.w3.org/2018/11/21-dxwgcneg-irc 20:02:13 RRSAgent, make logs public 20:02:13 Zakim has joined #dxwgcneg 20:02:15 Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference 20:02:15 Date: 21 November 2018 20:02:22 Meeting: DXWG CNEG Subgroup Telecon 20:02:35 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:CNEG-Telecon2018.11.21 20:02:42 apologies+ ncar 20:02:54 RRSAgent, please make logs public 20:03:12 RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2 20:03:12 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/21-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG 20:03:55 regrets+ ncar 20:05:08 roba has joined #dxwgcneg 20:05:51 present+ 20:05:59 RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2 20:05:59 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/21-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG 20:07:14 scribenick: roba 20:07:28 Chair: LarsG 20:07:44 TOPIC: Approve agenda 20:08:07 +1 20:08:19 Proposed: approve minutes https://www.w3.org/2018/11/07-dxwgcneg-minutes.html 20:08:23 +1 20:08:24 +1 20:08:36 RESOLVED: approve minutes https://www.w3.org/2018/11/07-dxwgcneg-minutes.html 20:09:15 action-231? 20:09:15 action-231 -- Robert Sanderson to Submit topic for face to face meeting about test runner/ results repositories -- due 2018-10-17 -- OPEN 20:09:15 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/231 20:09:22 RobS not present 20:09:48 action-234? 20:09:48 action-234 -- Nicholas Car to Use definitions to create abstract model diagram and text -- due 2018-10-17 -- OPEN 20:09:48 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/234 20:10:09 TOPIC: Open actions 20:10:10 Will be part of 2PWD 20:10:18 action-235? 20:10:18 action-235 -- Rob Atkinson to Create sequence diagram from abstract model and definitions -- due 2018-10-17 -- OPEN 20:10:19 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/235 20:11:08 depends on action 234 and will be part of 2pwd 20:12:44 roba: it will be easy enough to pick out terms etc from the definitions 20:13:01 ... and then create the diagram from thing 20:13:21 s/thing/that/ 20:13:35 TOPIC: FPWD 20:14:13 roba: have updated short name from plenary meeting, now dx-prof-conneg 20:14:14 roba: plan to do a final copy edit - have short name name of doc to dx-prof-conneg 20:14:31 https://www.w3.org/TR/dx-prof-conneg/ 20:15:11 name decided at plenary yesterday 20:16:43 https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/575 20:19:24 sub issue 15 Examples 2 and 3 are at odds with the conneg recipes derived from Http-range-14. In RDF statements, the 'most interesting' URIs are URIs of non-information resources. These non-information resources are expected to first be de-referenced to the URI of a representation via a 303-redirect. That URI is then served with a 200. There are of course cases where the pattern of examples 2 and 3 will be the right one. But now the text really says that the [CUT] 20:31:36 roba: we can add a redirection process placeholder in the middle of examples.. 20:32:14 ...this puts the responsibility on the resource to declare profiles - but the redirection mechanism may in fact be the place this is known 20:33:07 ...should the resource then list the most specific or all known or all (transitive) it conforms to? 20:34:02 Proposed: add redirect to examples and add issues for profile list and redirect vs final resource knowledge of of profile 20:34:55 e.g. --- (any HTTP 3xx redirection) --- 20:36:23 +1 20:36:27 +1 20:36:41 RESOLVED: add redirect to examples and add issues for profile list and redirect vs final resource knowledge of of profile 20:36:58 ACTION: roba to add redirect to examples and add issues for profile list and redirect vs final resource knowledge of of profile 20:36:59 Created ACTION-261 - Add redirect to examples and add issues for profile list and redirect vs final resource knowledge of of profile [on Rob Atkinson - due 2018-11-28]. 20:47:01 roba: still an open question in my mind as to whether list_profiles is a MUST - or if catalogs can list these as long as server negotiates 20:47:41 ... and concerned text is inconsistent about this "A third request type is given that is expected not to apply to all realizations of this abstract model " and MUST with all three 20:48:17 ACTION: roba to propose a copy edit (retaining original sense) and add an issue for list_profile responsibility 20:48:18 Created ACTION-262 - Propose a copy edit (retaining original sense) and add an issue for list_profile responsibility [on Rob Atkinson - due 2018-11-28]. 20:51:52 LarsG: positive feedback otherwise 20:52:33 TOPIC: Issues due for closing 20:52:36 https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Aprofile-negotiation++label%3A%22due+for+closing%22 20:55:32 ACTION: roba: address 379 in copy edit 20:55:32 Created ACTION-263 - Address 379 in copy edit [on Rob Atkinson - due 2018-11-28]. 20:56:23 TOPIC: 2PWD 20:57:51 LarsG: hope before christmas - seems hard 20:58:07 roba: publish early - publish often 20:58:14 azaroth has joined #dxwgcneg 20:59:39 LarsG: need to check publication moratorium for christmas? 21:00:02 * are you going to join quickly? I will stay for another 15 if you like.. 21:00:32 ACTION: LarsG to check moratorium dates 21:00:33 Created ACTION-264 - Check moratorium dates [on Lars G. Svensson - due 2018-11-28]. 21:02:07 ... if possible aim for 2PWD, even if minimal changes before Christmas 21:02:52 Articulating possible 303 patterns in an issue at least seems important for 2PWD if we dont get to a decision via feedback 21:03:18 RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2 21:03:18 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/21-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG 21:03:28 ...and discussion on list profiles responsibility across server, redirect and final resource 21:05:53 RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2 21:05:53 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/21-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG 21:05:57 * thats a wrap... 21:08:36 RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2 21:08:36 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/21-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG 22:33:45 Zakim has left #dxwgcneg