20:54:12 RRSAgent has joined #dxwgdcat 20:54:12 logging to https://www.w3.org/2018/11/07-dxwgdcat-irc 20:54:31 rrsagent, make logs public 20:54:50 rrsagent, draft minutes v2 20:54:50 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/07-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBrowning 20:58:01 Ah 20:58:23 should i fwd the invite? 21:01:48 details are here https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2018Oct/0401.html 21:02:23 meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference 07 November 2018 21:00 UTC 21:02:57 agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.11.07 21:03:04 rrsagent, draft minutes v2 21:03:04 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/07-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBrowning 21:05:28 riccardoAlbertoni has joined #dxwgdcat 21:05:49 details are here https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2018Oct/0401.html... 21:06:45 alejandra has joined #dxwgdcat 21:08:28 but I'm alone 21:08:53 alejandra the link is changed check the mail https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2018Oct/0401.html... 21:12:13 rrsagent, draft minutes v2 21:12:13 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/07-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBrowning 21:13:27 regrets+ Alasdair Gray, Erik Mannens, Thomas D'Haenens , Lars Svensson 21:13:33 present+ 21:13:37 present+ 21:13:39 present+ 21:13:44 chair: alejandra 21:13:51 scribe: DaveBrowning 21:13:57 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.11.07 21:14:02 scribenick: DaveBrowning 21:14:10 present+ 21:14:15 rrsagent, draft minutes v2 21:14:15 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/07-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBrowning 21:15:55 Topic: Approve minutes from last meeting 21:16:08 https://www.w3.org/2018/10/31-dxwgdcat-minutes 21:16:27 +1 21:16:28 0 ( i was not there) 21:16:33 0 21:16:35 +1 21:17:01 resolved: Minutes approved 21:17:07 Topic: Outstanding actions 21:17:32 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open 21:19:43 Topic: Public comments list 21:20:39 alejandra: Clemen's comment - do we let the discussion continue for now 21:20:40 AndreaPerego has joined #dxwgdcat 21:20:45 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-comments/ 21:20:52 ... or formulate a response 21:21:06 present+ AndreaPerego 21:21:13 DaveBrowning reply to Clemens: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-comments/2018Nov/0000.html 21:21:15 PWinstanley: Horses for courses - need to keep them in the dialog 21:21:31 Clemens' reply: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-comments/2018Nov/0001.html 21:21:45 RRSAgent, draft minutes v2 21:21:45 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/07-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego 21:21:51 ... as long as we have identifier to tie back to comment 21:22:08 Luca Trani: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-comments/2018Oct/0003.html 21:22:29 alejandra: we should acknowledge to the other comment (Luca) 21:22:58 +1 21:23:03 +1 21:23:05 +1 21:23:29 alejandra: let the conversation around Clemens to continue 21:23:45 ...On Luca's - generally poistive feed back 21:24:01 s/poistive/positive/ 21:24:20 "I assume that more might be added to extend the scope of a Catalogue when needed. Am I correct? Do you support composition of resources? Would that be covered by dct:relation?" 21:24:22 ... there are more questions as well 21:24:36 Composition of resources requires further explanation from Luca. 21:28:07 DaveBrowning_ has joined #dxwgdcat 21:28:15 alejandra_ has joined #dxwgdcat 21:28:28 riccardoAlbertoni_ has joined #dxwgdcat 21:28:35 AndreaPerego_ has joined #dxwgdcat 21:28:51 RRSAgent, draft minutes v2 21:28:51 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/07-dxwgdcat-minutes.html riccardoAlbertoni_ 21:29:01 PWinstanley_ has joined #dxwgdcat 21:29:21 DaveBrowning: test 21:29:28 present+ 21:29:34 https://www.w3.org/2018/11/07-dxwgdcat-minutes.html 21:29:41 rrsagent, draft minutes v2 21:29:41 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/07-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBrowning_ 21:29:59 zakim AndreaPerego_ is AndreaPerego 21:30:01 if Luca was referring to dataset composition, we might will be covering it already 21:30:06 zakim, AndreaPerego_ is AndreaPerego 21:30:06 sorry, AndreaPerego_, I do not recognize a party named 'AndreaPerego_' 21:30:16 but we need clarification on what resources compositions he was referring to 21:30:24 zakim riccardoAlbertoni_ is riccardoAlbertoni 21:30:27 s/zakim AndreaPerego_ is AndreaPerego // 21:31:00 zakim DaveBrowning_ is DaveBrowning 21:32:13 we should probably add an example of a service providing multiple datasets (can't remember if we have one already) 21:32:13 zakim DaveBrowning_ is DaveBrowning 21:32:54 s/zakim DaveBrowning_ is DaveBrowning// 21:33:01 s/zakim DaveBrowning_ is DaveBrowning// 21:33:14 s/zakim riccardoAlbertoni_ is riccardoAlbertoni// 21:33:16 adding to my list of example 21:33:32 even better 21:33:34 RRSAgent, draft minutes v2 21:33:34 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/07-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego 21:34:35 q+ 21:35:18 ack AndreaPerego 21:35:35 q? 21:35:37 AndreaPerego: About roles - we could ask hime what roles are more often used? 21:36:10 ... but what other ones would be useful - and should they be defined in the DCAT case 21:36:34 ... so getting them to put forward a use case would be great 21:37:27 +q 21:37:49 ... Also perhaps need to be more explicit around relationship with Hydra 21:37:54 ack alejandra 21:38:21 alejandra: He does say that Hydra goes beyond swagger etc 21:38:32 s/hime/him/ 21:38:44 q? 21:38:46 ...so we need to raise some more issues, and start a dialog 21:39:45 +1 to AndreaPerego about tracking the comments also outside the github 21:39:56 AndreaPerego: I'll do it, but can we use issues to track to conclusion 21:40:15 q+ 21:40:26 q? 21:40:33 action: AndreaPerego to reply to Luca's mail at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-comments/2018Oct/0003.html 21:40:33 Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel. 21:40:58 ack PWinstanley 21:41:33 q+ 21:42:02 ack AndreaPerego 21:42:02 PWinstanley: What's the difference between swagger etc on one side and Hydra on the other? 21:42:43 AndreaPerego: They do more or less the same. All are machine actionable. OpenAPI has more descriptive aspects 21:43:14 PWinstanley: So are these more documents or a response to a RESTful call? 21:43:30 I created the action manually: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/258 21:45:28 AndreaPerego: Complex area.... lots of overlap. 21:45:39 q? 21:47:28 PWinstanley: This a dynamic area and new techologies arise quite quickly 21:48:02 q+ 21:48:09 Anothe example is the SPARQL Service Description: https://www.w3.org/TR/sparql11-service-description/ 21:48:34 ack DaveBrowning 21:48:52 s/Anothe example/Another example/ 21:49:00 DaveBrowning: to what extend does it influence what we do with DCAT? 21:49:09 ... we need to preserve modularity 21:49:26 ... we need to be looking for the sweet spot, we need to be clear that we cannot be that definite 21:49:38 ... we shouldn't get too much into the detail, and be quite modular 21:50:19 PWinstanley: Yes, there are multiple things referenced and we need to make the right 'boundary' 21:50:19 q+ to suggest we ask Luca how they addressed the same issue 21:50:33 ack AndreaPerego 21:50:33 AndreaPerego, you wanted to suggest we ask Luca how they addressed the same issue 21:51:35 q+ 21:51:46 ack AndreaPerego 21:51:47 alejandra: Yes - that's a good idea 21:52:22 their solution is visible in the UML diagram here: https://github.com/epos-eu/EPOS-DCAT-AP 21:52:22 AndreaPerego: There was a discussion on github (can't find it at the moment) 21:52:41 ... will look for it - it used RDF 21:53:40 q? 21:53:49 https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/411 ref to THREDDS etc 21:54:26 topic: Priorities 21:54:31 The GH discussion I mentioned: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/56#issuecomment-375893228 21:55:42 It was Stephane Fellah who posted it, 21:56:00 RRSAgent, draft minutes v2 21:56:00 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/07-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego 21:56:09 Dave's spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aQqV5Dl3blsjk-Htx5bWZbXghvVZhl1mKOix4aAfL0g/edit#gid=0 21:56:27 +q to try summarize a proposal for Identifies 21:57:05 ack riccardoAlbertoni_ 21:57:05 riccardoAlbertoni_, you wanted to try summarize a proposal for Identifies 21:57:38 riccardoAlbertoni_: Is there activity for identifiers 21:57:53 ... have some ideas on how to progress, draft example? 21:57:58 q+ 21:58:04 I think the discussion was around choosing between adms:identifier and sdo:identifier 21:58:18 q? 21:58:38 ack DaveBrowning 21:58:56 About dereferenceable IDs, I just discvoered (thanks to Raphael Troncy and Antoine) that ISSN now supports URIs - e.g., http://issn.org/resource/ISSN/2242-8496 21:59:19 yes, I saw that, great 21:59:50 action riccardoAlbertoni_ to summarise the issues about identifiers and propose a solution 21:59:50 Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel. 22:00:28 q? 22:00:52 DaveBrowning: That would be a great idea- it would help clarify some of the versioning identifiers 22:01:06 q? 22:01:14 s/discvoered/discovered/ 22:01:41 rrsagent, make minutes v2 22:01:41 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/07-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBrowning 22:01:46 thanks bye 22:01:56 thanks all, bye! 22:01:57 RRSAgent, draft minutes v2 22:01:57 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/07-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego 22:02:44 action created here: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/259 22:02:44 Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel. 22:02:49 RRSAgent, draft minutes v2 22:02:49 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/07-dxwgdcat-minutes.html alejandra