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19:55:31 <trackbot> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
19:55:31 <trackbot> Date: 07 November 2018
19:57:46 <LarsG> Meeting: DXWG CNEG Subgroup Telecon
19:57:56 <LarsG> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:CNEG-Telecon2018.11.07
19:58:02 <LarsG> Chair: LarsG
19:58:13 <LarsG> RRSAgent, please make logs public
19:58:25 <LarsG> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
19:58:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/07-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG
19:59:03 <LarsG> present+
19:59:13 <LarsG> regrets+ Nick Car
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20:02:26 <roba> * the link for webex i have says its expired :-(
20:08:10 <LarsG> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
20:08:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/07-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG
20:17:03 <roba> * yep - but you dont seem to be on audio
20:20:23 <roba> * i cant hear you at all and it shows no mic symbol next to you
20:23:23 <roba> * it not making the join meeting button green - so i guess that means you are not on as host?
20:25:14 <roba> * go to skype?
20:28:43 <LarsG> Chair: roba
20:28:51 <LarsG> scribeNick: LarsG
20:29:01 <LarsG> Topic: Confirm Agenda
20:30:01 <LarsG> agenda confirmed
20:30:21 <roba> topic: confirm minutes
20:30:30 <roba> proposed: accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2018/10/10-dxwgcneg-minutes.html
20:30:33 <LarsG> +1
20:30:42 <roba> +1\
20:30:45 <roba> +1
20:30:56 <roba> resolved: accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2018/10/10-dxwgcneg-minutes.html
20:31:09 <LarsG> Topic: List of open action items
20:31:15 <LarsG> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/products/4
20:31:31 <LarsG> action-231
20:31:31 <trackbot> action-231 -- Robert Sanderson to Submit topic for face to face meeting about test runner/ results repositories -- due 2018-10-17 -- OPEN
20:31:31 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/231
20:31:53 <LarsG> action is still open
20:31:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-257 - Still open [on Ingo Simonis - due 2018-11-14].
20:32:14 <LarsG> close action-257
20:32:14 <trackbot> Closed action-257.
20:32:33 <LarsG> the action is still open
20:32:42 <LarsG> action-233?
20:32:42 <trackbot> action-233 -- Lars G. Svensson to Extract definitions from IETF document to form basis of abstract model -- due 2018-10-17 -- OPEN
20:32:42 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/233
20:33:38 <LarsG> LarsG has written up something, action can be closed
20:33:49 <LarsG> close action-233
20:33:50 <trackbot> Closed action-233.
20:33:57 <LarsG> action-234?
20:33:57 <trackbot> action-234 -- Nicholas Car to Use definitions to create abstract model diagram and text -- due 2018-10-17 -- OPEN
20:33:57 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/234
20:34:41 <LarsG> there is no diagram for the diagram yet, so this issue is still open
20:35:09 <LarsG> roba: wanted to create a sequence diagram, perhaps that is not really necessary
20:35:29 <LarsG> ... or do we need to have more text
20:35:39 <LarsG> ... will revisit this
20:35:46 <LarsG> Keep action open
20:35:54 <LarsG> action-235?
20:35:54 <trackbot> action-235 -- Rob Atkinson to Create sequence diagram from abstract model and definitions -- due 2018-10-17 -- OPEN
20:35:54 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/235
20:36:41 <LarsG> roba: this depends on 233 and 234. Will revisit this one
20:37:35 <LarsG> ... we were discussing a formal UML one or is a easier pictogram easier
20:37:52 <LarsG> LarsG: a pictogram should do, we're not doing formal UML modelling here
20:38:21 <LarsG> action-240?
20:38:21 <trackbot> action-240 -- Lars G. Svensson to Make a suggestion to deal with #288 -- due 2018-11-01 -- OPEN
20:38:21 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/240
20:38:59 <LarsG> LarsG: Wrote up https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/288#issuecomment-434213949
20:39:53 <LarsG> ncar has removed the label already
20:39:58 <LarsG> close action-240
20:39:58 <trackbot> Closed action-240.
20:40:13 <LarsG> action-249?
20:40:13 <trackbot> action-249 -- Lars G. Svensson to Add note about qsa to the conneg document -- due 2018-11-02 -- OPEN
20:40:13 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/249
20:40:32 <LarsG> LarsG: handled in https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/511
20:41:09 <LarsG> Note is in the document
20:41:14 <LarsG> close action-249
20:41:14 <trackbot> Closed action-249.
20:41:30 <LarsG> action-251?
20:41:30 <trackbot> action-251 -- Robert Sanderson to Write up something for others to reflect on - places in issue 261 -- due 2018-11-02 -- OPEN
20:41:30 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/251
20:41:59 <LarsG> handled in https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/261
20:42:36 <LarsG> rob Sanderson's comment https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/261#issuecomment-435325246
20:43:11 <LarsG> close action-261
20:43:11 <trackbot> Closed action-261.
20:44:07 <LarsG> close action-251
20:44:07 <trackbot> Closed action-251.
20:44:19 <LarsG> action-261?
20:44:19 <trackbot> Sorry, but action-261 does not exist.
20:45:16 <LarsG> Topic: Progress on FPWD
20:45:26 <LarsG> roba: we met for editorial review
20:45:43 <LarsG> ... reviewed actions
20:45:49 <LarsG> ... and issues
20:46:26 <LarsG> ... the document is ready for review from the group
20:47:18 <LarsG> ... will send email to list as soon as we've cleaned up the can-be-closed issues
20:47:46 <LarsG> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
20:47:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/07-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG
20:48:39 <LarsG> Topic: review and close issues
20:50:00 <LarsG> roba: #378 not marked for closing, leave it in the document
20:50:31 <LarsG> ... #513 seems done, we can close and remove from the document
20:51:52 <LarsG> ... #379 content is de-duplicated. close.
20:52:11 <roba> A client requesting the representation of a resource conforming to a profile MUST identify the resource by a Uniform Resource Identifier (URI) [rfc3986] and MUST identify a profile either by a URI or a token that unambiguously identifies the profile for the server within that request/response session.
20:52:28 <LarsG> ... #515 seems to be addressed in the paragraph above. We can close that one, too
20:53:49 <LarsG> ... that one is handled in an open PR
20:55:55 <LarsG> ... [browsing the document]
20:58:38 <LarsG> ... #391 versioning of profile identifiers. We have not handled that one yet
20:58:53 <LarsG> ... we need to write some useful text
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21:03:01 <roba> if we use URIs for profiles but the profile definition changes, how will clients know? Do we need to make strong statements about versions and URI uniqueness?
21:03:41 <roba> * we have been meeting for last 30 mins on skype after webex failed on us
21:04:00 <roba> * skype_id and I'll dial you in
21:04:55 <LarsG> +1 to roba's proposal
21:08:38 <roba> https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/conneg-doc/conneg-by-ap/index.html
21:08:55 <LarsG> roba: describing the process, any problems with publishing this as FPWD?
21:09:24 <LarsG> azaroth: no, it looks ok
21:10:04 <LarsG> roba: [recaps the decisions on the issues and actions]
21:10:22 <LarsG> ... talked to Holger Knublauch on the difference between SHACL shapes
21:10:33 <LarsG> ... and JSON-LD frames. Is this well-known?
21:10:55 <LarsG> azaroth: SHACL is geared towards validation (does it validate or crash?).
21:11:25 <LarsG> ... frames is for structuring the data. the problem it tries to solve is,
21:11:50 <LarsG> ... how do I shape a graph into a structure the user can understand
21:12:06 <LarsG> roba: so it's a bridge between a shape and a profile
21:12:29 <LarsG> azaroth: correct.
21:13:42 <LarsG> roba: continuing with issue #462. There is content in the abstract model
21:13:49 <LarsG> ... so we can close
21:14:59 <LarsG> ... #500 (order of negotiation). The issue is still under discussion, so we leave it open
21:15:51 <LarsG> azaroth: [discusses time-based negotiation.] We need to say something like
21:16:17 <LarsG> ... "if there are other dimensions, we need to handle them in the right order"
21:16:23 <roba> Do we need to specify the order in which negotation headers are processed? Memento specifies that time-based negotiation MUST take place before any other negotiation
21:16:48 <LarsG> roba: proposes that we extend for FPWD "it would appear that it will be necessary
21:16:49 <azaroth> +1
21:17:11 <LarsG> ... to negotiation for profile before media type or language"
21:17:29 <roba> It would appear that it will necessary to negotiate for profile before language or content-type.  Memento specifies that time-based negotiation MUST take place before any other negotiation.
21:17:35 <LarsG> azaroth: the profile might specify languages or other things, so that's a super-structure
21:18:20 <LarsG> LarsG: which means time-based first, then profile-based negotiation
21:18:26 <LarsG> azaroth: correct.
21:18:32 <LarsG> roba: has made the change
21:18:55 <LarsG> ... #510 (http options) still under discussion, leave it in
21:19:43 <LarsG> ... #461 (security and privacy) text is good enough, we can close
21:22:01 <LarsG> ... #287 (indication of conformance) has been addressed in the document
21:22:38 <LarsG> LarsG: We leave it open since it also is labelled profile-guidance,
21:23:42 <LarsG> ... but remove it from the document.
21:24:35 <LarsG> roba: shall we freeze the document now or try to make more changes
21:24:42 <LarsG> ... ?
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21:28:39 <azaroth_> present+ Rob_Sanderson
21:28:42 <LarsG_> LarsG: Ruben and I are having a writing session on November 23
21:29:02 <LarsG_> ... so we should have something substantial towards the end of the month
21:29:32 <LarsG_> Meeting adjourned
21:29:43 <LarsG_> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
21:29:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/07-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG_
21:31:06 <LarsG_> ... slightly awkward minutes at the end since IRC suddenly died...
21:31:10 <LarsG_> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
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21:33:43 <LarsG_> regrets+ antoine
21:33:47 <LarsG_> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
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