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20:53:43 <PWinstanley> meeting: DXWG Plenary
20:54:12 <PWinstanley> regrets+ ncar, Ixchel Faniel, Simon Cox
20:54:19 <PWinstanley> present+
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20:55:32 <PWinstanley> regrets+ ncar, Ixchel Faniel, Simon Cox, Makx
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20:57:44 <PWinstanley> chair: kcoyle
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21:03:46 <roba> present+
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21:05:46 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present+
21:05:54 <antoine> present+ antoine
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21:06:12 <PWinstanley> regrets+ ncar, Ixchel Faniel, Simon Cox, Makx, LarsG
21:06:20 <annette_g> present+
21:06:29 <DaveBrowning> present+
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21:06:42 <PWinstanley> rrsagent, create minutes v2
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21:06:45 <kcoyle> present+
21:07:15 <riccardoAlbertoni> present+
21:07:17 <roba> scribenick: roba
21:07:50 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2018/10/30-dxwg-minutes
21:08:22 <kcoyle> proposed: accept Oct 30 minutes
21:08:40 <annette_g> +1
21:08:42 <roba> +1
21:08:43 <DaveBrowning> 0 (not present)
21:08:43 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
21:08:48 <PWinstanley> +1
21:08:49 <antoine> 0
21:09:11 <riccardoAlbertoni> 0
21:09:13 <antoine> -1
21:09:53 <antoine> 0
21:10:12 <roba> antoine: missing regrets.. we can acknowledge here
21:10:51 <kcoyle> regrets from Oct 30 =  Karen Coyle, Riccardo Albertoni, Dave Browning
21:11:23 <kcoyle> resolved: approve minutes of Oct 30 with addition of regrets for Karen Coyle, Riccardo Albertoni, Dave Browning
21:11:58 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
21:12:14 <roba> TOPIC: open actions
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21:14:11 <roba> antoine: still ongoing
21:14:25 <roba> kcoyle: suggest turn into a github issue
21:14:51 <alejandra> present+
21:14:59 <roba> PWinstanley: reclassify #246,7 as DCAT
21:15:24 <roba> TOPIC: DCAT revision
21:16:23 <roba> alejandra: few minor PR merged - discussed priorities last week
21:16:46 <roba> ...address main topics by mid-Jan
21:17:12 <roba> ...need to discuss more, start assigning to people
21:18:49 <roba> ...suggestion that releasing more PWDs brought more feedback
21:19:15 <DaveBrowning> q+ to ask about publishing moratoria
21:19:57 <roba> kcoyle: seems to help editors review progress and motivates reviews as they see responses
21:21:26 <roba> ...need to solicit more feedback - what might help?
21:21:42 <kcoyle> q?
21:22:24 <roba> ncar: about to go into meeting - agencies usually use ISO19115 - but are exploring DCAT as a 'future state'
21:22:45 <kcoyle> ack DaveBrowning
21:22:45 <Zakim> DaveBrowning, you wanted to ask about publishing moratoria
21:23:10 <roba> DaveBrowning: where are the 'blackout periods'
21:23:55 <roba> * Calendar infrastructure from W3C would be nice :-)
21:24:34 <roba> kcoyle: progress on abstracts in other languages?
21:25:00 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:25:01 <roba> ncar: will try to do Polish next week
21:25:09 <riccardoAlbertoni> q-
21:25:15 <alejandra> the good thing is that the vocabulary also is translated to several languages
21:25:16 <PWinstanley> q?
21:25:57 <kcoyle> topic: profile negotiation
21:26:21 <PWinstanley> point on the translations:  at TPAC - Richard Ichida - might be able to help
21:26:41 <antoine> roba: we've handled issues
21:27:05 <antoine> nick: yes it's good for review
21:27:12 <PWinstanley> s/Ichida/Ishida/
21:27:18 <antoine> roba: there's a proposal to change the editors.
21:27:18 <alejandra> +q
21:27:27 <antoine> ... moving Ruben from editor to contributor
21:27:52 <kcoyle> ack alejandra
21:27:53 <antoine> roba: there's one point about QSA
21:28:03 <antoine> alejandra: I've spent time looking at the doc
21:28:20 <antoine> ... I did changes in the text, Lars merged them.
21:28:27 <antoine> ... some clarifications.
21:28:30 <PWinstanley> regrets+ azaroth
21:28:34 <antoine> ... and US English
21:29:46 <antoine> kcoyle: so there's one final PR to merge?
21:29:47 <roba> I will take final minor edits merge on today
21:30:24 <antoine> kcoyle: someone should ask the group to review the doc after these merges
21:30:29 <roba> kcoyle: please send out request to review when done - if today tomorrow we can ask for review by next meeting and vote on FPWD
21:31:07 <roba> ACTION: roba merge edits and announce to group for review
21:31:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-255 - Merge edits and announce to group for review [on Rob Atkinson - due 2018-11-13].
21:31:58 <kcoyle> q?
21:32:29 <roba> TOPIC: profile guidance
21:32:48 <roba> antoine: not a lot of recent updates processed
21:33:08 <roba> ...inputs from @kcoyle to incorporate
21:33:43 <roba> ...conversation with Jaro re UCR and feeding requirement updates into guidance doc
21:34:35 <roba> ...structure discussed at F2F proving a challenge for UCR, perhaps also Guidance doc
21:34:44 <roba> TOPIC: Profiles ontology
21:34:56 <roba> q+
21:35:19 <kcoyle> ack roba
21:36:04 <PWinstanley> rrsagent, create minutes v2
21:36:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/06-dxwg-minutes.html PWinstanley
21:37:48 <alejandra> could you please include the issue number here?
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21:39:53 <antoine> roba: we have a discussion on naming terms
21:40:05 <antoine> ... nick has made some suggestion on the is/has convention
21:40:21 <antoine> ... we can treat as an editorial change, we've got no installed base
21:41:22 <antoine> kcoyle: we can wait for comments
21:41:27 <antoine> roba: ok
21:41:54 <antoine> kcoyle: if there's a fair amount of work, then we could go with the current one
21:42:00 <antoine> roba: it's already done!
21:42:02 <antoine> q+
21:42:12 <kcoyle> ack antoine
21:42:18 <alejandra> this is the PR roba is referring to: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/532
21:42:37 <roba> antoine: we should go for it and wait for feedback
21:42:49 <roba> ...homogenising now will help
21:43:13 <antoine> kcoyle: ok so this sound like the thing to do
21:43:21 <PWinstanley> milestone?
21:43:24 <antoine> ... but then can you freeze a draft?
21:43:46 <antoine> roba: happy to do it and then do an editorial review and then freeze
21:44:13 <antoine> kcoyle: question to the group: we've not done a group review
21:44:20 <roba> kcoyle: we havent done a group review
21:44:23 <roba> q+
21:44:31 <antoine> ... we've decided to move to FPWD but haven't brought it to the group
21:44:48 <antoine> roba: not sure I understand
21:44:58 <antoine> ... it's been brought to the group last week
21:45:07 <antoine> ... a lot of comments have been made
21:45:13 <antoine> ... and handled
21:45:25 <antoine> ... what could we do more?
21:45:37 <antoine> kcoyle: there was not a group action (formal)
21:45:57 <antoine> ... people who have followed it have been engaged
21:46:10 <roba> q+
21:46:22 <antoine> ... but for others it's unclear so we may want to set a period to allow others
21:47:15 <annette_g> q+
21:47:18 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +q
21:47:19 <roba> q-
21:47:45 <antoine> annette_g: it sounds a standard procedure to have a review period and vote after
21:47:51 <antoine> ... I'm not sure we've done it
21:47:58 <antoine> ... that said I'm ok with the current state
21:48:06 <kcoyle> ack annette_g
21:48:14 <antoine> Jaroslav_Pullmann: I've overlooked the request for review
21:48:16 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
21:48:29 <antoine> ... if there's time given until next Tuesday I could do it
21:48:34 <riccardoAlbertoni> +q
21:48:36 <DaveBrowning> q+ to agree with annette_g
21:48:40 <kcoyle> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:48:52 <antoine> riccardoAlbertoni: I was involved in the review and put some suggestions
21:49:06 <antoine> ... I would prefer if in the future we've got an explicit call and period
21:49:19 <antoine> ... but as far as I'm concerned I'm ok with this version
21:49:20 <kcoyle> ack DaveBrowning
21:49:20 <Zakim> DaveBrowning, you wanted to agree with annette_g
21:49:28 <antoine> DaveBrowning: +1 with annette_g 's summary
21:49:41 <antoine> ... following the procedure adds extra clarity
21:49:54 <antoine> ... so that we all agree with publishing
21:50:21 <kcoyle> straw poll: announce a review for the WG of profilesOnt to end Oct 13
21:50:34 <PWinstanley> +1
21:50:44 <roba> +1
21:50:46 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:50:46 <kcoyle> +1 from nick
21:50:46 <antoine> nick +1
21:50:47 <roba> ncar: +1
21:50:56 <annette_g> +1
21:51:03 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
21:51:04 <roba> s/Oct/Nov
21:51:15 <alejandra> +1
21:51:16 <alejandra> +q
21:51:17 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:51:20 <antoine> +1 but noting I won't probably have the time to review so would again (benevolently) abstain when voting for FPWD
21:51:23 <roba> q+
21:51:25 <kcoyle> ack alejandra
21:51:26 <antoine> s/noting/voting
21:52:17 <antoine> alejandra: ok for some more days, but I've already looked at it myself
21:52:29 <antoine> ... should we look for all 3 docs that are profile-related?
21:52:48 <antoine> kcoyle: profile guidance is not ready, it's only for profile negotiation and profile ontology
21:53:04 <antoine> alejandra: ok
21:53:34 <antoine> kcoyle: Dave, what do you need for moving to FPWD
21:53:56 <antoine> dsr: PubRuleChecker
21:54:04 <antoine> ... and permission for the short name
21:54:12 <antoine> ... from Philippe
21:54:24 <roba> * thanks antoine...
21:54:28 <antoine> ... subsequent versions would be more straightforward
21:55:25 <antoine> dsr: for namespace management we don't have a very formal policy
21:55:44 <PWinstanley> dsr please can you formally state this about document linkage - see minutes of last week's meeting for discussion on this where we need exact detail
21:56:06 <antoine> kcoyle: is it true that we don't have a namespace for the ontology, or has there been a discussion?
21:56:14 <antoine> dsr: there's been a discussion
21:56:25 <antoine> ... maybe the group could have a top-level ns
21:56:37 <antoine> kcoyle: we could discuss it before next Tuesday
21:56:45 <antoine> dsr: this would streamline discussion
21:56:54 <antoine> kcoyle: do we have short names?
21:57:13 <antoine> nick: we've have suggestions but no decision yet
21:57:38 <antoine> ... re PubRule, ReSpec checker we've run the doc through them already
21:57:56 <alejandra> s/ok for some more days, but I've already looked at it myself/ok for some more days, but we shouldn't delay to make it public
21:57:58 <antoine> kcoyle: there could be an action on discussing short name and namespace with dsr
21:57:59 <antoine> q+
21:58:14 <kcoyle> ack roba
21:58:33 <antoine> nick: it would be alright
21:58:49 <kcoyle> action: roba to process merge for name change; announce document for review
21:58:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-256 - Process merge for name change; announce document for review [on Rob Atkinson - due 2018-11-13].
21:58:51 <antoine> roba: I want an action on me to process the merge and provide the doc for reivew
21:58:58 <kcoyle> ack antoine
22:00:07 <DaveBrowning> q+ to ask which namespaces
22:01:11 <antoine> antoine: discussion on namespace and short name is between nick and dave or the WG?
22:01:32 <roba> proposals are in document already..
22:01:37 <antoine> dsr: I don't decide I'm passing it
22:01:56 <kcoyle> ack DaveBrowning
22:01:56 <Zakim> DaveBrowning, you wanted to ask which namespaces
22:02:11 <antoine> DaveBrowning: we're talking about namespaces for the set of profile docs?
22:02:18 <antoine> kcoyle: two things: the docs and the ontology
22:02:48 <antoine> dsr: yes the two things: short names for reports and namespace for the ontology
22:03:18 <antoine> roba, is there 2 github issues that you can point the group to, so that we can discuss?
22:03:46 <antoine> dsr: how many more of these namespaces do you think you'd need?
22:04:03 <roba> #398
22:04:40 <antoine> nick: I've mailed something to dsr about the namespace and have suggestions for the short names
22:04:44 <antoine> ... I will send a mail
22:04:48 <antoine> kcoyle: great
22:05:10 <riccardoAlbertoni> thank you bye
22:05:14 <PWinstanley> bye
22:05:17 <kcoyle> rrsagent, please generate minutes v2
22:05:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/06-dxwg-minutes.html kcoyle
22:05:26 <PWinstanley> rrsagent, create minutes v2
22:05:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/11/06-dxwg-minutes.html PWinstanley
22:05:35 <antoine> meeting adjourned
22:05:38 <riccardoAlbertoni> good luck!
22:06:06 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present-