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19:48:58 <kcoyle> meeting: DXWG plenary
19:49:05 <kcoyle> chair: Karen Coyle
19:50:21 <kcoyle> regrets+ RiccardoAlbertoni, Antoine, Ixchel Faniel, Alejandra?, Makx?
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19:54:32 <kcoyle> present+
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20:01:13 <azaroth> present+ Rob_Sanderson
20:01:21 <alejandra> present+
20:01:29 <ncar> present+ ncar
20:01:35 <roba> present+
20:01:44 <PWinstanley> present+
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20:04:24 <PWinstanley> scribenick: PWinstanley
20:04:32 <PWinstanley> Topic: Admin
20:04:44 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
20:04:57 <azaroth> -1 to those minutes :D
20:04:58 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2018/10/09-dxwg-minutes
20:05:11 <PWinstanley> proposed: accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2018/10/09-dxwg-minutes
20:05:20 <azaroth> +1
20:05:29 <ncar> +1
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20:05:31 <alejandra> +1
20:05:33 <ncar> I did my action!
20:05:36 <roba> +1
20:05:37 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present+
20:05:50 <DaveBrowning> Present+
20:05:51 <PWinstanley> resolved: accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2018/10/09-dxwg-minutes
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20:06:25 <PWinstanley> Time changes - choices given in email
20:06:27 <kcoyle> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2018Oct/0329.html
20:06:45 <PWinstanley> UTC 21:00 has 2 votes.
20:07:09 <roba> +1 for UTC 20:00 or 21:00
20:07:21 <azaroth> +1
20:07:24 <alejandra> so we're staying on the same time
20:07:38 <annette_g> present+
20:07:41 <alejandra> +1 to 21:00 UTC
20:07:46 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1 for 21 UTC / 22 CET
20:08:16 <SimonCox> Don't ever say 'the same time' without adding a timezone. This led to confusion for the DCAT group.
20:08:35 <kcoyle> proposed: time after October 28 would be 21 UTC
20:08:40 <alejandra> +1
20:08:44 <PWinstanley> +1
20:08:45 <annette_g> +1
20:08:46 <azaroth> +1
20:08:48 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
20:08:51 <roba> +1
20:08:56 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:09:00 <SimonCox> +1
20:09:07 <ncar> -1 (current time best, but I see I've lost)
20:09:49 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: time after October 28 would be 21 UTC
20:10:34 <PWinstanley> Topic: Open Actions
20:10:38 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
20:11:11 <PWinstanley> ncar: I have completed #230
20:12:18 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: we need to check pubrules violations as we go so that they don't build up to a large problem
20:12:42 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
20:12:43 <PWinstanley> ... Congratulations to the DCAT FPWD2 team - it was published today
20:13:16 <PWinstanley> ... We need to focus on publicity to get comments on the draft - it is close to a final draft.
20:13:22 <kcoyle> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_f5CAZv7rgUjJH5YXkmD6w5xS6GX5X2AmEp_LMptAfQ/edit#gid=0
20:14:28 <PWinstanley> ... There is a spreadsheet that needs double-checking and then used to track our activity re: promotion of the PWD
20:14:34 <SimonCox> I made some additions to the message https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/DCAT_revision_-_public_working_drafts
20:14:42 <PWinstanley> SimonCox: I made some additions to the standard message on the wiki
20:15:45 <PWinstanley> ... look at the section kcoyle put into italics, that is where I made edits.  If everyone is happy it can be cleaned up and then is available for use.  It provides pointers to the key changes in the second version
20:16:23 <kcoyle> q?
20:17:03 <DaveBrowning> Looks fine to me
20:17:10 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: Do the DCAT team want to take time to look over the wording, or can we just go ahead with it as suggested by SimonCox ?
20:17:47 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: no comments, so can SimonCox tidy up and let us use this.  Ensure you log contacts on the spreadsheet
20:18:23 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
20:18:24 <PWinstanley> ... should we spend 20 mins at the F2F to coordinate?
20:18:36 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
20:19:02 <PWinstanley> Jaroslav_Pullmann: should we start contacting colleagues now?
20:19:05 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: yes
20:20:20 <PWinstanley> ... we need to send a memo to the public mailing list with a link. we need to give a strong steer to people to make a comment
20:20:26 <PWinstanley> q+
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20:21:05 <kcoyle> ack PWinstanley
20:21:11 <AndreaPerego> present+
20:21:57 <PWinstanley> action: kcoyle to send memo to the public working list to remind the entire group about their responsibility for publicity of the DCAT PWD2
20:21:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-236 - Send memo to the public working list to remind the entire group about their responsibility for publicity of the dcat pwd2 [on Karen Coyle - due 2018-10-23].
20:22:31 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, make logs world
20:22:35 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
20:22:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/10/16-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:22:36 <alejandra> I can write an abstract in Spanish
20:22:53 <kcoyle> kcoyle: pwin - should we provide info in languages other than English?
20:23:14 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: EC providing texts in multiple languages
20:24:13 <ncar> I'm happy to make a Polish version
20:25:25 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: There may be W3C issues, and we should explore these at the F2F
20:25:35 <alejandra> at least for the publicity emails
20:25:43 <annette_g> maybe internationalization WG could help
20:26:11 <PWinstanley> Topic: F2F4
20:26:15 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:26:20 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: we have a planning page
20:26:21 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/F2f4
20:27:08 <kcoyle> q?
20:27:12 <PWinstanley> ... we are beginning to fill out the agendas for Thurs and Fri.  Please can subgroup members add links to key github issue pages so that they are at hand when we are in discussion
20:27:18 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
20:27:23 <PWinstanley> ... Are there any other questions about the agendas?
20:27:28 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
20:27:59 <PWinstanley> Jaroslav_Pullmann: is there a slot for the UCR ?
20:28:32 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: lets find a slot for that.
20:28:44 <PWinstanley> Jaroslav_Pullmann: Perhaps Thursday afternoon?
20:29:16 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: To get people prepared please send out a link, and we will organise the time in due course
20:29:30 <DaveBrowning> q+
20:29:38 <kcoyle> q?
20:29:43 <kcoyle> ack DaveBrowning
20:29:54 <roba> ok - standing by Jaro when ready to review - generate a PR please
20:30:14 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: It would be good to know the timeline through to cand rec should be. We need to know the stages
20:30:28 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: PWinstanley  and I will try to get that information prior to the meeting
20:31:03 <PWinstanley> ... It was suggested that we need the final version by end 2018 to make a rec by mid 2019, so there is a process and we need to know what it is
20:31:27 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: We need to know critical time points
20:31:46 <PWinstanley> action: PWinstanley  to get information about the timelines
20:31:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-237 -  to get information about the timelines [on Peter Winstanley - due 2018-10-23].
20:32:11 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: Any other comments about things they wish to cover in the F2F?
20:32:30 <PWinstanley> ... please add ideas / suggestions on the wiki
20:32:53 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/F2f4
20:33:38 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: Would it be useful to have printed copies at the F2F?  If so which would be useful?
20:35:40 <roba> * here, but as wont be at F2F no comments
20:35:52 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: copies of the current versions of the deliverable documents (3) plus the UCR
20:37:02 <PWinstanley> Topic: Profile Negotiation
20:37:04 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:37:08 <ncar> q+
20:37:20 <kcoyle> ack ncar
20:37:20 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: What is the state of play? What will we see at the F2F?
20:37:58 <PWinstanley> ncar: there is a commitment from Lars & Reuben to start the IETF doc at TPAC.  The skeleton document is prepared
20:38:20 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: has this been committed?  can it be previewed by the group?
20:38:48 <PWinstanley> ncar: the doc is good enough for wider release.  We could suggest that at the next meeting
20:39:09 <PWinstanley> ... we have what we think is the structure, but need review
20:39:37 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: can you write an email to the public list and steer people to the types of questions you want them to consider?
20:40:09 <PWinstanley> action: ncar to mail public working list to promote review of the current version of the proneg doc
20:40:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-238 - Mail public working list to promote review of the current version of the proneg doc [on Nicholas Car - due 2018-10-23].
20:40:31 <PWinstanley> Topic: Profile Guidance group
20:40:33 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:41:42 <PWinstanley> ncar: we are less advanced than the proneg doc.  there are sections, but it is not yet ready for review.  there are unresolved issues, and some issues are missing.  The sections are all there, but there is gap in content
20:42:03 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: what do we want to present to the F2F?  Can this be discussed at the next group meeting?
20:42:14 <PWinstanley> ncar: I'll add that to the agenda for tomorrow's meeting
20:42:40 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: after the meeting tomorrow you might want to alert people to the doc by email
20:43:14 <PWinstanley> action: ncar to mail public mailing group to announce initial review of profile guidance draft
20:43:15 <trackbot> Created ACTION-239 - Mail public mailing group to announce initial review of profile guidance draft [on Nicholas Car - due 2018-10-23].
20:43:40 <kcoyle> q?
20:43:44 <PWinstanley> ncar: we need instances of what the guidance draft might suggest
20:44:02 <PWinstanley> Topic: Profile Description Vocabulary
20:44:03 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:44:56 <PWinstanley> ncar: for the moment this is the most advanced of the 3 profile-related docs.  There has been some feedback, but we need more.  The structure of the doc is there, together with some illustrations of using the vocabulary
20:45:09 <PWinstanley> ... There is a comparison with the DC approach
20:45:25 <PWinstanley> ... I am keen for corner cases to be considered
20:45:30 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: any other comments/
20:46:13 <PWinstanley> ... it is looking to be that we have covered everything in the agenda.  Any other business?
20:46:34 <roba> i am just waiting for FPWD of profiles ontology so I can push an implementation into a OGC Interoperability Experiment
20:46:37 <PWinstanley> ... one consideration - do we need another meeting in a week's time?
20:46:42 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
20:46:47 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
20:47:23 <PWinstanley> Jaroslav_Pullmann: should we have a meeting prior to the F2F Thursday meeting
20:47:47 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: let's add arrival times to the wiki, and let us see if there is chance to meet up
20:49:12 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> the schedule is here: https://www.w3.org/2018/10/TPAC/schedule.html
20:49:28 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: Wed pm there is a reception 18:30 - 21:00
20:50:23 <PWinstanley> ... we need to decide when we will gather.  We need to start promptly so that those who are working remotely are not inconvenienced
20:50:41 <PWinstanley> ... gather before 08:30
20:51:32 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: please add arrival times and other information on the wiki
20:52:21 <PWinstanley> ... The next meeting will be the F2F.  Safe travels
20:52:44 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, and see you in Lyon!
20:52:55 <PWinstanley> ... use the public list to disseminate information.  Contact PWinstanley  or kcoyle  directly if you need to
20:53:27 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present-
20:53:27 <ncar> bye
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21:06:53 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2018.10.16
21:06:56 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:07:20 <AndreaPerego> regrets- Alejandra?
21:07:22 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:07:45 <AndreaPerego> regrets- Makx?
21:07:47 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:08:01 <AndreaPerego> regrets+ Makx
21:08:04 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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