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19:22:33 <kcoyle> meeting: DXWG plenary
19:22:40 <kcoyle> rrsagent, make logs public
19:22:55 <kcoyle> rrsagent, create minutes v2
19:22:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/10/09-dxwg-minutes.html kcoyle
19:23:22 <kcoyle> chair: Karen Coyle
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20:02:54 <kcoyle> Present+
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20:06:31 <roba> scribenick: roba
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20:07:02 <kcoyle> regrets+ Pwinstanley, Dave Browning, Makx
20:07:45 <SimonCox> present+
20:08:08 <kcoyle> topic: Admin
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20:09:11 <roba> TOPIC: time zone changes
20:09:29 <ncar> no time zone change in Brisbane, still 6am here
20:10:21 <SimonCox> I'm happy to keep it at 16:00 EST - when its all over it will be 8am Melbourne/Canberra/Wollongong, 7am Brisbane
20:10:49 <roba> ACTION: kcoyle to check time zone impacts
20:10:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-229 - Check time zone impacts [on Karen Coyle - due 2018-10-16].
20:10:55 <alejandra> present+
20:11:21 <annette_g> U.S. changes back on Nov. 4
20:11:34 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2018/10/02-dxwg-minutes
20:11:39 <SimonCox> Tell W3C that using any local timezone is a mistake - better to go neutral with UTC!
20:12:02 <annette_g> +1 to UTC
20:13:08 <kcoyle> resolved: approve Oct 2 minutes
20:13:13 <annette_g> q+
20:13:14 <roba> PROPOSE: Accespt minutes https://www.w3.org/2018/10/02-dxwg-minutes
20:13:17 <ncar> +0 not present
20:13:20 <azaroth> +1
20:13:26 <roba> s/Accespt/Accept/
20:14:15 <roba> "accept publication of 2nd PWD with the change of issue 411 plus editorial change on link to DATS, consider after publication comments made by annette_g as per action 227, send message to the list and wait until Friday this week."
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20:15:46 <roba> annette_g: thought resolution was to make changes before 2PWD
20:15:55 <alejandra> +q
20:16:19 <roba> kcoyle: changing minutes is hard, change it now
20:16:30 <SimonCox> Can't change existing minutes? In which case the whole business of reviewing and approving minutes is rather pointless!
20:16:52 <roba> alejandra: we agreed that once in issues we'd make sure we point to them and resolve _after_ publication
20:16:57 <kcoyle> ack annette_g
20:17:12 <kcoyle> ack alejandra
20:17:38 <roba> annette_g: thats true - wierd that resolution doesnt reflect it.
20:18:25 <roba> alejandra: added link to open issues, resolved #411, some of annette's comment resolved, issued closed. as a draft issues are still open
20:18:39 <roba> ... link at bottom to all open issues
20:19:10 <roba> * try restarting "audio service" if in windows
20:19:41 <roba> resolved: Accept minutes https://www.w3.org/2018/10/02-dxwg-minutes
20:19:58 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
20:19:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/10/09-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:20:38 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, make logs world
20:20:40 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
20:20:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/10/09-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:20:58 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/228
20:21:10 <roba> TOPIC: open issues
20:21:21 <roba> kcoyle: #228 closed
20:21:56 <roba> ... #205 open
20:22:45 <roba> ...#219 open
20:23:16 <roba> ...#227 done
20:23:20 <ncar> q+
20:23:32 <kcoyle> ack ncar
20:24:27 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2018.10.09
20:24:28 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:24:40 <roba> ncar: #224 - risk assessment - we have discussed and have timeline from Lars, notes taken, risks appear manageable will double check tomorrow.
20:26:12 <roba> alejandra: process manually takes fro git into W3C TR/ space - seems to have editors draft picked up
20:26:28 <AndreaPerego> close action-228
20:26:28 <trackbot> Closed action-228.
20:26:29 <roba> ...for publication goes through a set of tools
20:26:43 <roba> ... we still have some errors from those tools
20:27:52 <roba> ... normative/non-normative - but two branches not easy to merge - in git point to specific state, 2PWD will point to 'state at publication'
20:28:06 <roba> ... all sections must have ids
20:28:12 <alejandra> Pubrules: https://www.w3.org/pubrules/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2F2018%2FWD-vocab-dcat-2-20181011%2F&profile=WD&validation=simple-validation&noRecTrack=false&informativeOnly=false&echidnaReady=false&patentPolicy=pp2004
20:28:31 <alejandra> Pubrules tool: https://www.w3.org/pubrules/
20:28:47 <roba> * profile=WD :-)
20:30:05 <roba> ...if we get it for next week should be fine
20:30:22 <ncar> q+
20:30:24 <roba> kcoyle: credit to alejandra - lots of work
20:30:29 <SimonCox> q+
20:30:37 <annette_g> vote of thanks to Alejandra!
20:30:41 <annette_g> +1
20:30:44 <kcoyle> ack ncar
20:30:52 <SimonCox> q-
20:31:04 <kcoyle> action: ncar put conneg doc through wd check
20:31:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-230 - Put conneg doc through wd check [on Nicholas Car - due 2018-10-16].
20:31:09 <alejandra> +q
20:31:15 <kcoyle> q?
20:31:21 <kcoyle> ack alejandra
20:32:16 <roba> kcoyle: if possible worth checking regularly
20:32:46 <kcoyle> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_f5CAZv7rgUjJH5YXkmD6w5xS6GX5X2AmEp_LMptAfQ/edit#gid=0
20:33:34 <roba> TOPIC: Community engagement
20:33:49 <roba> kcoyle: other ideas other than posting to list?
20:33:51 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:33:59 <roba> q+
20:34:09 <alejandra> +q
20:34:16 <kcoyle> ack roba
20:35:09 <kcoyle> roba: kicking off a citizen scientist group who will be able to test this out
20:35:18 <kcoyle> ack alejandra
20:35:39 <roba> ...translate into other languages
20:36:06 <roba> alejandra: i can do spanish but wonder how much more feedback this will elicit?
20:36:27 <roba> kcoyle: at least announcement in other languages may help
20:37:01 <AndreaPerego> Where should these translation be published?
20:37:54 <roba> kcoyle: wiki page?
20:38:02 <SimonCox> Is this translation of the whole spec, or just the intro mail?
20:38:11 <alejandra> finding the email from last time would be useful
20:38:24 <roba> ... abstract or introduction
20:38:25 <alejandra> as it would probably be pretty similar
20:39:00 <alejandra> I think it was a google doc?
20:39:38 <ncar> q+
20:39:41 <roba> TOPIC: Profile guidance
20:39:52 <kcoyle> ack ncar
20:40:52 <roba> antoine: we've done a lot of updates - nick has progressed the large set of action
20:41:04 <roba> ...now shows a fair account of where we stand
20:41:34 <roba> ...contributions to the introduction from kcoyle, pwin, previously from phila
20:42:09 <roba> ...merged now available, can continue to refine
20:42:35 <roba> ...requirements listed - now the most authoritative set
20:43:02 <roba> kcoyle: we will set aside time at F2F to discuss - what is most useful focus?
20:43:10 <antoine> q+
20:43:19 <kcoyle> ack antoine
20:44:38 <roba> antoine: have been making fast progress - hard to say in advance what is going to be most important at that time - but will find something useful.
20:45:15 <roba> kcoyle: spoke to LarsG - FPWD may be further off that TPAC deadline.
20:46:19 <roba> ncar: document has progressed - will be ready for Lars to review, and group will discuss tomorrow and bring back to group.
20:46:53 <roba> kcoyle: discussion with Lars - great to have by TPAC, but if missed its only a week impact.
20:47:47 <roba> ...we have option to use F2F to bring group to speed. We shouldnt let deadlines "trip us up" - work towards quality.
20:48:23 <roba> TOPIC: Profiles ontology
20:48:29 <ncar> q+
20:48:32 <kcoyle> q?
20:48:37 <kcoyle> ack ncar
20:48:52 <roba> kcoyle: we have asked Peter and Andrea to review
20:49:18 <annette_g> I was asked to review and did so a while ago.
20:49:29 <roba> ncar: we have a few trivial clean ups - but no substantial changes proposed for a long time
20:49:59 <roba> kcoyle: do members feel they have had opportunity to review?
20:50:16 <roba> q+
20:50:24 <antoine> q+
20:50:31 <kcoyle> q?
20:50:36 <kcoyle> ack roba
20:50:39 <annette_g> oops, that was the guidance doc that I reviewed.
20:52:19 <kcoyle> ack antoine
20:52:56 <roba> roba: should not influence timelines if we have a Note as a fall-back if Rec level not achievable
20:53:30 <roba> antoine: worried about FPWD without updating the UCR
20:53:58 <roba> q+
20:54:32 <kcoyle> ack roba
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20:56:26 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:57:14 <roba> roba: not sure how to process new requirements which say the same thing multiple different ways, and what UCR looks like.
20:58:25 <roba> Jaroslav_Pullmann: can start to work
20:58:48 <roba> ...2 weeks to F2F meeting - can have version
20:59:59 <roba> roba: does that address antoines concern?
21:00:04 <roba> antoine: yes
21:00:08 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:01:43 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/F2f4
21:02:43 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, bye bye!
21:02:44 <alejandra> thanks all
21:02:45 <annette_g> bye all!
21:02:51 <ncar> present-
21:02:51 <kcoyle> rrsagent, please create minutes v2
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