IRC log of dxwgcneg on 2018-09-26
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2018/09/26-dxwgcneg-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
- 19:56:46 [Zakim]
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- Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
- 19:56:48 [trackbot]
- Date: 26 September 2018
- 19:58:22 [roba]
- * hi
- 19:58:56 [roba]
- * i hope i have the right webex link https://mit.webex.com/webappng/sites/mit/meeting/info/106621553492372659?MTID=mb23580ce541e9871c262ba3fbaabdae0
- 19:59:49 [roba]
- i have to hunt back through emails every time as i dont see it on the agenda page
- 20:00:15 [ncar]
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- 20:02:20 [roba]
- * no sound yet for me yet
- 20:02:30 [ncar]
- we can hear
- 20:02:56 [LarsG]
- present+
- 20:03:28 [LarsG]
- Chair: LarsG
- 20:03:45 [ncar]
- scribenick: ncar
- 20:04:12 [ncar]
- agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:CNEG-Telecon2018.09.26
- 20:04:24 [roba]
- present+
- 20:04:31 [ncar]
- present+
- 20:04:33 [roba]
- * will keep fighting it..
- 20:04:57 [ncar]
- scribenick: ncar
- 20:05:24 [LarsG]
- regrets+ Rob Sanderson
- 20:05:45 [ncar]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
- 20:05:45 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/26-dxwgcneg-minutes.html ncar
- 20:06:18 [LarsG]
- RRSAgent, please make logs public
- 20:07:30 [ncar]
- https://dev.w3.org/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
- 20:10:04 [roba]
- * am going to reboot :-(
- 20:13:27 [roba_]
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- 20:13:56 [roba_]
- * back with sound!
- 20:20:30 [ncar]
- topic: preliminaries
- 20:21:02 [ncar]
- approve agenda
- 20:21:04 [ncar]
- +1
- 20:21:05 [roba_]
- +1
- 20:21:06 [LarsG]
- +1
- 20:21:34 [ncar]
- proposed: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:CNEG-Telecon2018.09.26
- 20:21:42 [LarsG]
- +1
- 20:21:52 [ncar]
- +1
- 20:21:52 [roba_]
- +1
- 20:22:06 [ncar]
- resolved: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:CNEG-Telecon2018.09.26
- 20:22:12 [roba_]
- +0
- 20:22:14 [ncar]
- (agenda approved)
- 20:22:17 [ncar]
- +1
- 20:22:35 [ncar]
- proposed: approve last meeting's minutes
- 20:22:36 [ncar]
- +1
- 20:22:39 [LarsG]
- +1
- 20:22:46 [ncar]
- resolved: approve last meeting's minutes
- 20:22:51 [roba_]
- +0
- 20:23:05 [ncar]
- topic: review open actions
- 20:23:10 [LarsG]
- action-166?
- 20:23:11 [trackbot]
- action-166 -- Lars G. Svensson to Invite herbert & ruben to generate an ietf fpwd before tpac -- due 2018-08-08 -- OPEN
- 20:23:11 [trackbot]
- https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/166
- 20:23:35 [ncar]
- all open actions for CNEG: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/products/3
- 20:24:08 [ncar]
- LarsG: has spoken to Herbert & Ruben. Will aim for a FPWD by mid-Nov
- 20:24:19 [LarsG]
- close action-166
- 20:24:19 [trackbot]
- Closed action-166.
- 20:24:34 [LarsG]
- action-193
- 20:24:34 [trackbot]
- action-193 -- Rob Atkinson to Move jmeter test suite to within w3c systems -- due 2018-09-05 -- OPEN
- 20:24:34 [trackbot]
- https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/193
- 20:25:03 [ncar]
- s#https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/products/3#https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/products/4/
- 20:25:50 [ncar]
- roba: I will move the JMetere test suie repo file to within DXWG GitHub repo "utils" folder
- 20:26:13 [ncar]
- roba: Nick & I will update the JMeter test suite as CNEG work progresses
- 20:27:54 [ncar]
- ncar: we need to write out the tests, in English, in the CNEG doc - the JMeter tests wouldn't be the authoratitive ones
- 20:29:46 [LarsG]
- action-213?
- 20:29:46 [trackbot]
- action-213 -- Lars G. Svensson to Draft reply to kamhay, circulate with the group and then answer on the comments list -- due 2018-09-19 -- OPEN
- 20:29:46 [trackbot]
- https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/213
- 20:30:31 [LarsG]
- close action-213
- 20:30:31 [trackbot]
- Closed action-213.
- 20:32:19 [ncar]
- roba: discusses action-224
- 20:32:48 [ncar]
- roba: there is little time for IETF draft and this WG's life
- 20:34:22 [ncar]
- ncar: summarising our thoughts - as long as IETF draft doesn't completely change, we (DXWG) can use it to refer to and make tests in accordance with
- 20:34:42 [ncar]
- LarsG: overall meduim risk since we have little to show from recent work
- 20:35:08 [ncar]
- s/roba/roba_/g
- 20:36:14 [ncar]
- roba_: we can get the FPWD of the conneg doc out with the IETF dob being the HTTP implementation (and there will be others too, like the QSA approach)(
- 20:37:06 [ncar]
- proposed: that this group issues the FPWD of the conneg doc with abstract requirement for HTTP and treats the IETF draft as the implementation
- 20:37:15 [ncar]
- +1
- 20:37:21 [roba_]
- +1
- 20:37:25 [LarsG]
- +1
- 20:37:28 [ncar]
- resolved: that this group issues the FPWD of the conneg doc with abstract requirement for HTTP and treats the IETF draft as the implementation
- 20:38:03 [ncar]
- topic: Progress on FPWD
- 20:39:07 [ncar]
- LarsG: do we need plenary approval for a FPWD? Karen says so with last date being 2018-10-16 (before TPAC)
- 20:39:28 [ncar]
- LarsG: overall WG needs doc a week before that to read
- 20:39:59 [ncar]
- roba_: we are not far from a FPWG given DCAT's status at FPWD
- 20:40:58 [ncar]
- ncar: main work for FPWD is coverage of issues in doc - that they represent where all work will occur - rather than work on specific issues
- 20:43:12 [ncar]
- roba_: section "5. Recommendations for First Public Working Draft" in the doc should be a statement about the completeness of the issues
- 20:43:51 [ncar]
- ncar: I will add a sentense in there addressing Rob's statement and the alert the user as to the FPWD's purpose
- 20:44:15 [ncar]
- action: ncar to add a paragraph into doc for "5. Recommendations for First Public Working Draft" as per comments above
- 20:44:16 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-225 - Add a paragraph into doc for "5. recommendations for first public working draft" as per comments above [on Nicholas Car - due 2018-10-03].
- 20:45:40 [ncar]
- action: ncar to move "5. Recommendations for First Public Working Draft" into a subsection of the "Status of this Document"
- 20:45:42 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-226 - Move "5. recommendations for first public working draft" into a subsection of the "status of this document" [on Nicholas Car - due 2018-10-03].
- 20:48:43 [ncar]
- ncar: how should we proceed with edits on the doc
- 20:49:07 [ncar]
- roba: PRs not needed for Issue addition or non-content changes
- 20:49:44 [ncar]
- s/roba/roba_/
- 20:49:57 [ncar]
- LarsG: Karen will review the language of the doc
- 20:50:52 [ncar]
- topic: Discuss management of expectations in Content Negotiation by Profile:
- 20:51:55 [ncar]
- LarsG: this point is discussion about being careful about using "recommendation" at this stage of work
- 20:53:50 [ncar]
- ncar: ncar has made some changes to ensure no "recommendation" wording is used
- 20:54:04 [ncar]
- relevant document section: https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/conneg-by-ap/#requirements
- 20:55:14 [ncar]
- roba_: methodology for negotiation (including QSA) should be in this doc, not Guidance, unlike suggested in Issue 263
- 20:55:38 [ncar]
- Issue relevant is https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/263
- 20:57:38 [ncar]
- roba_: create an issue to discuss abstract v. concrete ways of describing conneg (HTTP + others) in donneg doc
- 20:57:47 [ncar]
- s/donneg/conneg/
- 20:59:12 [ncar]
- ncar: we need a GitHub issue for deciding structure of content in doc after Sec 4
- 21:03:33 [LarsG]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
- 21:03:33 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/26-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG
- 21:04:46 [ncar]
- present-
- 21:04:55 [LarsG]
- RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
- 21:04:55 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/26-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG