19:56:44 RRSAgent has joined #dxwgcneg 19:56:44 logging to https://www.w3.org/2018/09/26-dxwgcneg-irc 19:56:46 RRSAgent, make logs public 19:56:46 Zakim has joined #dxwgcneg 19:56:48 Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference 19:56:48 Date: 26 September 2018 19:58:22 * hi 19:58:56 * i hope i have the right webex link https://mit.webex.com/webappng/sites/mit/meeting/info/106621553492372659?MTID=mb23580ce541e9871c262ba3fbaabdae0 19:59:49 i have to hunt back through emails every time as i dont see it on the agenda page 20:00:15 ncar has joined #dxwgcneg 20:02:20 * no sound yet for me yet 20:02:30 we can hear 20:02:56 present+ 20:03:28 Chair: LarsG 20:03:45 scribenick: ncar 20:04:12 agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:CNEG-Telecon2018.09.26 20:04:24 present+ 20:04:31 present+ 20:04:33 * will keep fighting it.. 20:04:57 scribenick: ncar 20:05:24 regrets+ Rob Sanderson 20:05:45 RRSAgent, draft minutes v2 20:05:45 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/26-dxwgcneg-minutes.html ncar 20:06:18 RRSAgent, please make logs public 20:07:30 https://dev.w3.org/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm 20:10:04 * am going to reboot :-( 20:13:27 roba_ has joined #dxwgcneg 20:13:56 * back with sound! 20:20:30 topic: preliminaries 20:21:02 approve agenda 20:21:04 +1 20:21:05 +1 20:21:06 +1 20:21:34 proposed: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:CNEG-Telecon2018.09.26 20:21:42 +1 20:21:52 +1 20:21:52 +1 20:22:06 resolved: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:CNEG-Telecon2018.09.26 20:22:12 +0 20:22:14 (agenda approved) 20:22:17 +1 20:22:35 proposed: approve last meeting's minutes 20:22:36 +1 20:22:39 +1 20:22:46 resolved: approve last meeting's minutes 20:22:51 +0 20:23:05 topic: review open actions 20:23:10 action-166? 20:23:11 action-166 -- Lars G. Svensson to Invite herbert & ruben to generate an ietf fpwd before tpac -- due 2018-08-08 -- OPEN 20:23:11 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/166 20:23:35 all open actions for CNEG: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/products/3 20:24:08 LarsG: has spoken to Herbert & Ruben. Will aim for a FPWD by mid-Nov 20:24:19 close action-166 20:24:19 Closed action-166. 20:24:34 action-193 20:24:34 action-193 -- Rob Atkinson to Move jmeter test suite to within w3c systems -- due 2018-09-05 -- OPEN 20:24:34 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/193 20:25:03 s#https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/products/3#https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/products/4/ 20:25:50 roba: I will move the JMetere test suie repo file to within DXWG GitHub repo "utils" folder 20:26:13 roba: Nick & I will update the JMeter test suite as CNEG work progresses 20:27:54 ncar: we need to write out the tests, in English, in the CNEG doc - the JMeter tests wouldn't be the authoratitive ones 20:29:46 action-213? 20:29:46 action-213 -- Lars G. Svensson to Draft reply to kamhay, circulate with the group and then answer on the comments list -- due 2018-09-19 -- OPEN 20:29:46 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/213 20:30:31 close action-213 20:30:31 Closed action-213. 20:32:19 roba: discusses action-224 20:32:48 roba: there is little time for IETF draft and this WG's life 20:34:22 ncar: summarising our thoughts - as long as IETF draft doesn't completely change, we (DXWG) can use it to refer to and make tests in accordance with 20:34:42 LarsG: overall meduim risk since we have little to show from recent work 20:35:08 s/roba/roba_/g 20:36:14 roba_: we can get the FPWD of the conneg doc out with the IETF dob being the HTTP implementation (and there will be others too, like the QSA approach)( 20:37:06 proposed: that this group issues the FPWD of the conneg doc with abstract requirement for HTTP and treats the IETF draft as the implementation 20:37:15 +1 20:37:21 +1 20:37:25 +1 20:37:28 resolved: that this group issues the FPWD of the conneg doc with abstract requirement for HTTP and treats the IETF draft as the implementation 20:38:03 topic: Progress on FPWD 20:39:07 LarsG: do we need plenary approval for a FPWD? Karen says so with last date being 2018-10-16 (before TPAC) 20:39:28 LarsG: overall WG needs doc a week before that to read 20:39:59 roba_: we are not far from a FPWG given DCAT's status at FPWD 20:40:58 ncar: main work for FPWD is coverage of issues in doc - that they represent where all work will occur - rather than work on specific issues 20:43:12 roba_: section "5. Recommendations for First Public Working Draft" in the doc should be a statement about the completeness of the issues 20:43:51 ncar: I will add a sentense in there addressing Rob's statement and the alert the user as to the FPWD's purpose 20:44:15 action: ncar to add a paragraph into doc for "5. Recommendations for First Public Working Draft" as per comments above 20:44:16 Created ACTION-225 - Add a paragraph into doc for "5. recommendations for first public working draft" as per comments above [on Nicholas Car - due 2018-10-03]. 20:45:40 action: ncar to move "5. Recommendations for First Public Working Draft" into a subsection of the "Status of this Document" 20:45:42 Created ACTION-226 - Move "5. recommendations for first public working draft" into a subsection of the "status of this document" [on Nicholas Car - due 2018-10-03]. 20:48:43 ncar: how should we proceed with edits on the doc 20:49:07 roba: PRs not needed for Issue addition or non-content changes 20:49:44 s/roba/roba_/ 20:49:57 LarsG: Karen will review the language of the doc 20:50:52 topic: Discuss management of expectations in Content Negotiation by Profile: 20:51:55 LarsG: this point is discussion about being careful about using "recommendation" at this stage of work 20:53:50 ncar: ncar has made some changes to ensure no "recommendation" wording is used 20:54:04 relevant document section: https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/conneg-by-ap/#requirements 20:55:14 roba_: methodology for negotiation (including QSA) should be in this doc, not Guidance, unlike suggested in Issue 263 20:55:38 Issue relevant is https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/263 20:57:38 roba_: create an issue to discuss abstract v. concrete ways of describing conneg (HTTP + others) in donneg doc 20:57:47 s/donneg/conneg/ 20:59:12 ncar: we need a GitHub issue for deciding structure of content in doc after Sec 4 21:03:33 RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2 21:03:33 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/26-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG 21:04:46 present- 21:04:55 RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2 21:04:55 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/26-dxwgcneg-minutes.html LarsG