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19:53:37 <PWinstanley> meeting: DXWG Plenary
19:56:44 <kcoyle> chair: Peter Winstanley
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20:07:21 <roba> * have my cup of tea - but still on european time so more awake :-)
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20:08:15 <roba> topic: admin
20:08:39 <annette_g> dxwg2017
20:08:41 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2018.09.25
20:09:23 <annette_g> s/dxwg2017//
20:09:29 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present+
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20:10:17 <roba> propose: approve minutes https://www.w3.org/2018/09/18-dxwg-minutes
20:10:37 <PWinstanley> regrets- Makx
20:11:20 <SimonCox> 0 - wasn't there
20:11:22 <annette_g> +1
20:11:23 <kcoyle> +1
20:11:27 <PWinstanley> +1
20:11:28 <alejandra> 0 - wasn't present
20:11:36 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> 0 - missed the meeting
20:11:36 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:11:40 <ncar> +1
20:11:56 <antoine> present+ antoine
20:12:00 <roba> +1
20:12:00 <antoine> +1
20:12:12 <roba> resolved: approve minutes https://www.w3.org/2018/09/18-dxwg-minutes
20:12:30 <PWinstanley> open actions  https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
20:12:33 <roba> topic: open actions
20:13:15 <Makx> present+ Makx
20:13:40 <roba> topic: F2F4
20:14:02 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/F2f4
20:14:46 <Makx> me so will try to follow irc
20:15:03 <roba> PWinstanley: thanks Karen for starting this. Need to use first day to review position and see what needs to be done in the final "home run" form here
20:15:33 <roba> ... can everyone dump into wiki ideas about what we need to consider
20:15:53 <kcoyle> q?
20:16:23 <roba> ... reminder to pay W3C before prices go up
20:16:43 <roba> topic: DCAT subgroup report
20:16:56 <DaveBrowning> https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-2pwd-internal-review/dcat/index.html
20:17:31 <roba> DaveBrowning: new 2PWD best accessed via this link
20:17:53 <SimonCox> and the actual ED is here https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/
20:19:21 <roba> ... what we need - fresh pair of eyes - look at it as if you havent seen it before please
20:19:55 <SimonCox> Section 11.1 is particularly interesting in current context
20:20:09 <alejandra> people can also change the change history section https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#changes and analyse mainly those changes
20:20:18 <alejandra> and relevant sections of the document
20:20:42 <SimonCox> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#dcat-sdo
20:21:23 <PWinstanley> q?
20:21:57 <roba> topic: Profile guidance group report
20:22:15 <PWinstanley> q?
20:22:38 <ncar> q+
20:22:45 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
20:22:57 <ncar> https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/profile-guidance-doc/profiles/index.html
20:23:20 <roba> ncar: quite a few changes made in as per descision in last plenary and sub group meeting
20:23:31 <roba> ...PR review approved but not merged
20:24:27 <PWinstanley> s/descision/decision/
20:24:38 <roba> PWinstanley: @ncar and @antoine have merged structures?
20:24:58 <roba> ncar: yes - we are now ready for inserting substantive content
20:25:49 <roba> ... we have some comments from @annette_g to merge in, need more, but ready for some sort of realease now we have issues recorded
20:26:12 <PWinstanley> s/realease/release/
20:26:14 <roba> ... effort available to edit to keep up with discussions
20:26:40 <ncar> q+
20:26:51 <roba> topic: Profile description note
20:26:54 <PWinstanley> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/profiledesc/
20:26:58 <ncar> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/profilesont/
20:27:07 <PWinstanley> ack  ncar
20:27:15 <roba> ncar: updated to align structurally and visually with dcat
20:27:48 <roba> ... name tweaked to remove "desc" which has been problematic
20:27:51 <alejandra> I like the "Participate" section - we should copy that into the DCAT 2ndPWD
20:28:26 <roba> PWinstanley: what are milestones and timeframe?
20:29:09 <Makx> +1 to alejandra
20:29:15 <DaveBrowning> +1 to the participate idea
20:29:25 <roba> ncar: issues identified (and latest cut of requirements) do not seem to indicate significant changes to existing version
20:29:25 <kcoyle> q+
20:29:27 <roba> q+
20:29:32 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
20:30:04 <ncar> q+
20:30:29 <PWinstanley> ack roba
20:30:38 <PWinstanley> kcoyle:  we should discuss the change of name from 'description' to 'ontology'
20:31:25 <antoine> q+
20:31:57 <PWinstanley> roba: it is an implementation of the conceptual model .  I think that 'desc' is redundant, and I'm not sure that there is another conceptual model so using ontology is less ugly
20:32:02 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
20:32:04 <roba> kcoyle: concerned about name change - are we describing profiles
20:32:48 <PWinstanley> q?
20:32:52 <roba> roba: name change is consistent with the fact profiles is an ontology that implements the conceptual model implied in the agreed definition
20:32:53 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
20:33:28 <roba> ncar: note profiles not profile - because it describes how profiles relate to each each other
20:34:13 <roba> antoine: profiles feels more authoritative - profiledesc is ugly but matches the one implementation
20:34:24 <antoine> q+
20:34:28 <SimonCox> IMHO its not a deal-breaker either way
20:34:31 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
20:34:49 <roba> ... quite like it as profiledesc
20:35:01 <roba> PWinstanley: should we vote on this
20:35:31 <roba> antoine: would like to vote - but later we after other potentially related information
20:35:52 <kcoyle> q+
20:35:53 <alejandra> it could also be 'vocabulary'
20:35:57 <alejandra> as in DCAT
20:35:58 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
20:36:23 <ncar> Q+
20:36:30 <ncar> q+
20:36:53 <roba> kcoyle: should be brought to the profile group then plenary. names are important
20:37:07 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
20:37:23 <roba> +1 to discuss in subgroup
20:37:29 <SimonCox> q+
20:37:47 <roba> ncar: notes issue has been in document to consider renaming
20:38:05 <roba> ... guidance around use of "vocabulary" vs "ontology" please
20:38:05 <PWinstanley> ack SimonCox
20:38:36 <roba> SimonCox: precedents in W3C both ways
20:39:01 <Makx> Ontology seems to imply OWL expression
20:39:02 <roba> ... vocabularies may have OWL
20:39:06 <annette_g> ontology = vocabulary + relationships
20:39:11 <ncar> q+
20:39:17 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
20:39:49 <roba> profile(s/desc) is OWL - specifically to link to dct:sStandard
20:40:09 <roba> ncar: happy to take action
20:40:34 <roba> ACTION: ncar to check and bring back to the group
20:40:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-223 - Check and bring back to the group [on Nicholas Car - due 2018-10-02].
20:40:57 <roba> s/check/check on vocabulary vs ontology usage/
20:41:05 <ncar> q+
20:41:12 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
20:41:16 <ncar> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/conneg-by-ap/
20:41:17 <roba> topic: profile negotiation sub group
20:41:31 <roba> ncar: met 2 weeks ago, again tomorrow
20:41:57 <roba> ... agreed and implemented changes to doc
20:42:33 <roba> ... demonstration/example of how requirements will be met, particularly w.r.t. to the IETF document
20:43:08 <roba> PWinstanley: is there any requests for input
20:43:48 <roba> ncar: IETF draft is an issue - formally expired but reliant on input from Ruben and Lars in timeframe
20:44:00 <roba> PWinstanley: does it present a risk?
20:44:14 <roba> ncar: need comment from Lars
20:44:41 <roba> PWinstanley: does IETF have a schedule
20:44:54 <roba> ncar: not sure
20:45:25 <roba> ACTION: ncar to bring back to the group a risk assessment on IETF draft
20:45:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-224 - Bring back to the group a risk assessment on ietf draft [on Nicholas Car - due 2018-10-02].
20:45:46 <PWinstanley> q?
20:46:24 <roba> topic: UCR update
20:46:43 <PWinstanley> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/238
20:47:07 <roba> This use case was APPROVED at the plenary meeting of August 28, 2018.
20:47:10 <ncar> q+
20:47:41 <ncar> q-
20:47:43 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
20:47:50 <roba> roba: editorial task now to include it
20:48:02 <roba> ncar: agrees
20:48:03 <kcoyle> q+
20:48:33 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
20:48:37 <roba> kcoyle: action on Jaro to update
20:48:40 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
20:48:48 <PWinstanley> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
20:48:55 <roba> Jaroslav_Pullmann: no action so far
20:49:19 <roba> ... expect to get it done by F2F
20:50:08 <roba> q+
20:50:51 <roba> ... additional UC on 'real world' documents - need to look at discussions and update working
20:50:58 <roba> s/working/wording/
20:51:04 <PWinstanley> ack roba
20:52:34 <roba> roba: getting in UC should be easy - cleaning up and deduplicating requirements will be heavier - happy to review that
20:52:46 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> bye!
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20:54:01 <Makx> bye now
20:54:19 <PWinstanley> bye Makx/ Thanks
20:54:43 <PWinstanley> bye
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