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20:06:57 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
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20:07:40 <ncar> present+
20:07:40 <antoine> zakin, who is here?
20:07:47 <antoine> zakim, who is here?
20:07:47 <Zakim> Present: ncar
20:07:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, kcoyle, ncar, roba, antoine
20:07:54 <roba> present+
20:07:59 <antoine> present+ antoine
20:08:01 <kcoyle> present+
20:08:16 <roba> zakim, who is here?
20:08:16 <Zakim> Present: ncar, roba, antoine, kcoyle
20:08:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, kcoyle, ncar, roba, antoine
20:08:56 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
20:08:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/19-profgui-minutes.html antoine
20:09:18 <antoine> scribenick: antoine
20:09:37 <antoine> Topic: admin
20:09:40 <ncar> https://www.w3.org/2018/09/05-profgui-minutes.html
20:09:47 <ncar> last meeting's minutes
20:10:03 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
20:10:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/19-profgui-minutes.html antoine
20:10:15 <roba> +1
20:10:27 <antoine> rrsagent, please make minutes public
20:10:27 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'please make minutes public', antoine.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
20:10:34 <ncar> +1
20:11:52 <antoine> rrsagent: make logs public
20:12:02 <antoine> 0
20:12:14 <kcoyle> +1
20:12:22 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
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20:13:28 <antoine> meeting: DXWG profile guidance subgroup
20:13:35 <antoine> chair: ncar
20:13:52 <ncar> topis: Review open Actions for this subgroup
20:13:56 <antoine> Resolved: minutes of last call approved
20:14:03 <ncar> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/products/3
20:15:17 <antoine> action-124 andrea not here
20:15:28 <antoine> action 200 is done
20:15:31 <antoine> close action-200
20:15:47 <antoine> ncar: action 201 is done
20:15:51 <antoine> close action-201
20:16:28 <antoine> ncar: action 202. antoine suggested to change position of definitions so let's leave this one open
20:16:44 <antoine> ncar: action 203. there's a section but empty
20:16:55 <antoine> close action-203
20:17:02 <antoine> close action-204
20:17:18 <antoine> ncar: 205 is still open
20:17:36 <antoine> ncar: 206 kcoyle this is what we've talked yesterday
20:17:44 <antoine> ... actions with no 'plenary-approved' tag
20:17:52 <antoine> ... do you want me to do this?
20:18:02 <antoine> kcoyle: I've sent the list
20:18:08 <antoine> ncar: I'll do it
20:18:27 <antoine> ncar: 208 we've sent a mail to the group
20:20:59 <antoine> ... we'll find the link later, let's keep it for review
20:21:18 <antoine> ... 209 and 210 are not yet done
20:22:02 <antoine> topic: review update of document
20:22:24 <ncar> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/profiles/
20:22:32 <ncar> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/profiles/index-structure242.html
20:22:57 <antoine> ncar: we've discussed it yesterday
20:23:06 <antoine> ... would I do a PR for the requirements?
20:24:22 <kcoyle> antoine: put requirements in an appendix; distribute them into sections
20:25:00 <antoine> ncar: I can update the index with index-242 and then a PR to include the requirements as a new section in appendix
20:25:06 <roba> +1
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20:25:53 <antoine> kcoyle: yes
20:26:11 <antoine> ... in the DCAT document they seem to have a section in the end about requirements
20:26:31 <antoine> ... most documents I've seen don't have a list. People just make sure they've addressed them
20:26:40 <antoine> ncar: it's nice to keep track
20:26:49 <antoine> kcoyle: yes some sort of notetaking
20:27:50 <roba> q+
20:27:57 <antoine> ACTION: ncar to merge the two documents retaining requirements as an appendix
20:28:30 <antoine> roba: in principle we could just rely on issues
20:29:37 <antoine> topic: Select a range of Requirements for demonstration Responses
20:29:51 <antoine> ncar: 1,2 and 5 look good as examples of different reqs
20:30:04 <antoine> ... for which responses would have different styles
20:30:55 <antoine> ... [reads profile and gives hint at why they're different]
20:31:16 <kcoyle> q+
20:31:33 <ncar> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/profiles/
20:31:55 <ncar> ack roba
20:32:01 <ncar> ack kcoyle
20:32:32 <antoine> kcoyle: I'm not sure whether it's better to look at specific requirements
20:32:40 <antoine> ... we don't have yet the context
20:32:57 <antoine> ncar: the reason is related to what's happening in the conneg group
20:33:05 <roba> q+
20:33:12 <antoine> ... most requirements are answered by the RFC
20:33:26 <antoine> ... In our case some requirements might be addressed differently
20:33:41 <antoine> ... i.e. by some discursive comment on the nature of profiles
20:33:56 <antoine> ... or by adding a dedicated element in ProfileDesc
20:33:57 <ncar> q?
20:34:07 <ncar> ack roba
20:34:16 <antoine> ncar: I want to do this only on a couple of requirements
20:34:45 <antoine> roba: we may decide that it's not the way to do it, based on this so it would be useful.
20:35:02 <antoine> ... also we've spent a lot of time so it would be useful to talk back to the previous work.
20:35:25 <antoine> ... also for identifying when some requirements are met by existing proposals.
20:35:36 <antoine> ... and these which need something new
20:35:53 <antoine> ... it would be good to triage them and send them to different people.
20:36:01 <antoine> ncar: I agree
20:36:09 <antoine> ... after this we could see a pattern
20:37:10 <antoine> ... req 7 could be a good one too.
20:37:12 <roba> q+
20:37:14 <antoine> q+
20:37:26 <ncar> q?
20:37:31 <ncar> ack roba
20:37:56 <antoine> roba: on using constraint languages, it's that simple because constraint languages tend to provide patterns
20:38:13 <antoine> ... but there could be aspects that are not addressed by constraint languages.
20:38:38 <antoine> s/it's that simple/it's not that simple
20:38:49 <antoine> ncar: so I could write something and you could react
20:38:55 <ncar> ack antoine
20:39:33 <kcoyle> antoine: too soon because group hasn't reacted to structures but good to pick a few and try
20:39:53 <kcoyle> ... concern is timing not utility of exercise
20:40:07 <antoine> ncar: on some we could have an answer
20:40:16 <antoine> q+
20:40:30 <antoine> ... it's something I would like to write down.
20:40:34 <kcoyle> q+
20:40:46 <ncar> ack kcoyle
20:41:03 <antoine> kcoyle: could we do it in the github issue so that we can have the discussion?
20:41:10 <roba> +1
20:41:10 <antoine> ... instead of PRs
20:41:15 <antoine> +1
20:41:43 <roba> wait for issue to converge on consensus - but a couple of examples now is also good
20:41:53 <antoine> ncar: it could be a good idea
20:42:13 <antoine> q+
20:42:33 <kcoyle> q?
20:43:11 <antoine> ncar: I can have a first go today
20:43:14 <ncar> q?
20:44:32 <kcoyle> ack antoine
20:45:02 <antoine> antoine: kcoyle are you thinking of the issues as handled in the Dublin Core Usage Board?
20:45:04 <antoine> kcoyle: yes
20:45:14 <antoine> antoine: I'll send them to ncar for inspiration
20:46:19 <roba> q+
20:46:30 <ncar> ack roba
20:47:34 <kcoyle> q+
20:47:54 <kcoyle> q-
20:48:24 <roba> +1 - seems to be no barrier
20:48:32 <kcoyle> q+
20:48:49 <ncar> ack kcoyle
20:49:17 <antoine> antoine: see kcoyle 's email. How to refer to a non-normative doc from a normative one?
20:49:33 <antoine> ... I've tried to re-use the way it was done in DWBP
20:49:44 <antoine> kcoyle: we should just try and see if it passes
20:49:56 <antoine> ... in my mail I've pasted the answer from Philippe
20:50:20 <antoine> ... if you look at DUV and DQV and how they're refered in DWBP there is subtlety
20:50:43 <antoine> ... we need to be sure there is subtlety in the doc when it is submitted
20:50:52 <antoine> ncar: we could use requirements
20:51:14 <antoine> kcoyle: I'm not sure we'll get anyone to look at it before it's a WD
20:51:22 <antoine> ncar: so then we can give it a go
20:51:25 <antoine> kcoyle: yes
20:52:06 <antoine> q+
20:52:12 <antoine> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/profiles/index-structure242.html#ProfileDesc
20:52:18 <ncar> ack antoine
20:54:02 <roba> MAY seems to work well
20:54:10 <ncar> q?
20:54:42 <kcoyle> q+
20:54:43 <roba> in combination with SHOULD use a published vocabulary
20:55:13 <ncar> ack kcoyle
20:55:39 <antoine> kcoyle: I'd like us to develop some form of structure, discussing things before they become PRs or commits
20:55:52 <antoine> ... so that we have agreement beforehand
20:56:08 <antoine> ncar: unless we leave them as notes
20:56:12 <antoine> q+
20:56:13 <roba> q+
20:56:24 <ncar> ack roba
20:57:19 <antoine> roba: notes could be ok with references to issues
20:57:24 <antoine> kcoyle: first is the issue
20:57:44 <antoine> ncar: it doesn't get in the text until the issue is approved
20:58:10 <antoine> q+
20:58:49 <ncar> ack antoine
21:00:23 <antoine> ncar: I will create github issues for the current issues in red and then we can go forward
21:00:55 <antoine> rrsagent. please draft minutes
21:01:02 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
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21:01:21 <antoine> ncar: we'd like to change the name of ProfileDesc slightly
21:01:39 <antoine> ncar: ProfileDesc was not ambiguous
21:01:39 <kcoyle> q+
21:01:50 <ncar> ack kcoyle
21:02:44 <ncar> q?
21:02:46 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes
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21:02:56 <kcoyle> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
21:02:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/19-profgui-minutes.html kcoyle