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19:57:41 <PWinstanley> meeting: DXWG Plenary
19:57:50 <PWinstanley> regrets+ Ixchel Faniel, Simon Cox, Alejandra Gonzalez-Beltran
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20:05:44 <annette_g> agenda at https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2018.09.18
20:05:55 <azaroth> +1
20:06:22 <annette_g> PROPOSED: accept last week's minutes
20:06:26 <annette_g> https://www.w3.org/2018/09/11-dxwg-minutes
20:06:37 <azaroth> +1
20:06:50 <annette_g> +1
20:06:53 <PWinstanley> +1
20:06:59 <ncar> +1
20:07:02 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:07:15 <kcoyle> +1
20:07:20 <annette_g> RESOLVED: accept last week's minutes
20:07:21 <roba> present+
20:07:34 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
20:07:46 <kcoyle> topic: Open Actions
20:08:03 <annette_g> PWinstanley: we have some proposals of ones to drop.
20:08:45 <annette_g> shall we drop 94?
20:08:53 <annette_g> annette_g says yes
20:09:09 <antoine> +1
20:09:10 <annette_g> PWinstanley: Dan Brickley and his blog post doesn't need to be an action, right?
20:09:12 <annette_g> +1
20:09:12 <azaroth> +1
20:09:17 <ncar> +1
20:09:17 <PWinstanley> +1
20:09:21 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:09:25 <annette_g> PWinstanley: good
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20:09:52 <annette_g> ...129 is for Alejandra to create use cases for more complex situations.
20:10:12 <annette_g> I think it's just clutter. What do others think?
20:10:13 <RiccardoAlbertoni> present+
20:10:14 <kcoyle> yep, clutter
20:10:20 <roba> retire it
20:10:21 <annette_g> +1
20:10:22 <ncar> yes
20:10:26 <azaroth> +1
20:10:26 <PWinstanley> +1
20:10:28 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:10:33 <annette_g> PWinstanley: okay, let's bin that one.
20:10:38 <antoine> I don't remember what it's about so +1
20:10:44 <ncar> ?q
20:11:55 <annette_g> PWinstanley: 124 is old, too. Karen, you were thinking this should be retired?
20:12:13 <annette_g> kcoyle: I think it's covered in changes to the DCAT document? Dave?
20:13:04 <ncar> Isn't 124 a Guidance subgroup relevant action?
20:13:23 <roba> 124 still seems relevant - given hiatus in dealing with issue
20:13:36 <ncar> can be addressed tomorrow
20:13:40 <annette_g> kcoyle: we'll leave it if it's still relevant
20:13:52 <annette_g> PWinstanley: okay
20:14:31 <ncar> yes
20:14:31 <annette_g> PWinstanley: there are other actions to look at. Can we drop 163, Nick?
20:14:46 <annette_g> CLOSE 163
20:14:56 <annette_g> CLOSE ACTION 163
20:15:16 <ncar> all conneg items, no label though
20:15:19 <annette_g> PWinstanley: 209, 210, 212, 214, 215 are Nick's
20:15:44 <annette_g> ncar: those are all conneg items that didn't get the tag for it.
20:16:11 <annette_g> PWinstanley: okay, so we will keep those open. ProfileDesc gap analysis is the exception. Let's let that one stay open.
20:16:13 <antoine> q+
20:16:32 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
20:16:42 <ncar> yes please!
20:16:45 <DaveBrowning> Let me type this (Safari upgrade has caused webex failure)
20:16:57 <annette_g> antoine: offers to tag it
20:17:02 <annette_g> s/it/them/
20:17:14 <DaveBrowning> Short version:  will time box 2PWD work
20:17:16 <annette_g> TOPIC: DCAT subgroup meeting, short report
20:17:31 <DaveBrowning> Draft for review available 24th (next Monday)
20:17:56 <DaveBrowning> Suggest that give lenary a week to review - formal motion next week
20:18:05 <annette_g> s/lenary/plenary/
20:18:08 <DaveBrowning> s/lenary/plenary/
20:18:26 <DaveBrowning> Assuming that's okay
20:18:31 <kcoyle> q+
20:18:38 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
20:18:55 <annette_g> PWinstanley: I hope everyone is okay with that brief turnaround
20:19:19 <annette_g> kcoyle: what's the best way to handle that? github?
20:19:26 <DaveBrowning> Probably easier by email, so we can group PRs.....
20:19:40 <DaveBrowning> Yes - lets discuss
20:19:41 <annette_g> kcoyle: I will do an editorial review
20:19:52 <DaveBrowning> Thanks kcoyle
20:20:01 <annette_g> ...will contact Dave directly with questions for that.
20:20:26 <annette_g> PWinstanley: any other points to discuss on DCAT subgroup?
20:20:42 <annette_g> crickets
20:20:49 <annette_g> TOPIC: profile guidance
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20:21:37 <kcoyle> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/profiles/index-structure242.html
20:22:01 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2018.09.18
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20:22:16 <annette_g> PWinstanley: last week, we decided ProfileDesc would be written up as a note. Of the four outlines, only one didn't incorporate ProfileDesc in the document. But Antoine wrote the doc linked above. (structure 242)
20:22:55 <annette_g> ...so we have two main docs, the one Nick started and the one Antoine has been working on. We want to merge them over the next few days or weeks.
20:23:10 <ncar> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/profiles/
20:23:50 <annette_g> PWinstanley: Can Antoine and Nick talk through their two docs? And lets engage with it so that many hands make light work. This is due in the first quarter, FPWD.
20:25:30 <annette_g> ncar: it's really just got a bunch of administrative things. definitions, related work. It lists the requirements for the group to address. It shows how responses to different requirements would look. There's about 14 reqs that have been approved in plenary.
20:26:58 <PWinstanley> q?
20:26:59 <annette_g> antoine: I was not super creative. It reflects the structure in issue 242. I included the text from Nick wherever I thought it could be included. The intro is from Nick. It has "what is a profile". Something new would be the idea of trying to pick up some requirements and say that they are answered by resolutions that we took.
20:27:17 <annette_g> ...I like the principle of what Nick suggested, though it isn't in here.
20:27:57 <annette_g> ...section 6 on ProfileDesc may be a departure in the sense that I see the sections as introductions to the other documents, conneg and ProfileDesc.
20:28:12 <antoine> (and section 3 on publication)
20:28:34 <annette_g> PWinstanley: I think we could spend a little time dealing with coordination of the portfolio of products. Does anybody have questions or comments?
20:29:02 <annette_g> ncar: one question: the family of documents section is not there. Is it intentional?
20:29:12 <annette_g> antoine: it's there in the index
20:29:24 <annette_g> ...not in the table of contents
20:30:00 <DaveBrowning> sold is never in table of contets
20:30:07 <DaveBrowning> s/sold/stod/
20:30:09 <kcoyle> q+
20:30:16 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
20:30:17 <annette_g> PWinstanley: we should be doing things in small sprints and make sure we are coordinated. There's lots of material in the github issues. I'm up for being in the reading group.
20:30:28 <DaveBrowning> s/stod/sotd/
20:30:31 <annette_g> kcoyle: can we divide up by section?
20:31:03 <annette_g> PWinstanley: I think we can have expressions of interest in this meeting.
20:31:06 <ncar> q+
20:31:12 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
20:32:09 <annette_g> ncar: some sections can clearly be handled by specific people. People like Andrea for communities. We need to do a demo of requirement addressing. I presume we can just ask tomorrow for the rest of it.
20:32:27 <annette_g> PWinstanley: were you thinking particularly of geoDCAT-AP, etc?
20:32:31 <annette_g> ncar: yes
20:32:39 <AndreaPerego> +1 from to contributing
20:32:55 <annette_g> ...people should comment on what they know well.
20:33:09 <AndreaPerego> s/+1 from to contributing/+1 from me to contributing about *DCAT-AP*/
20:33:34 <annette_g> PWinstanley: we do have application profiles for norwegian, ec, etc., so I can contribute that bit.
20:34:19 <annette_g> PWinstanley: annette_g you were interested in people who were putting up web assets via less sophisticated methods. Do you want to join in?
20:34:36 <annette_g> annette_g: sure
20:34:43 <annette_g> PWinstanley: so that gives us three
20:34:51 <annette_g> ...is that okay?
20:35:00 <roba> annette had useful views about simplifying user viewpoint - hope we captured this in requirements
20:35:02 <annette_g> kcoyle: yes
20:35:10 <antoine> q+
20:35:27 <annette_g> PWinstanley: let's look at deadlines. Somewhere around the first week of October?
20:35:28 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
20:35:45 <annette_g> antoine: do you want to capture the volunteers here as actions?
20:35:49 <roba> q+
20:36:21 <PWinstanley> ack roba
20:36:33 <annette_g> ACTION: AndreaPerego to review the profiles doc
20:36:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-219 - Review the profiles doc [on Andrea Perego - due 2018-09-25].
20:36:40 <annette_g> ACTION: PWinstanley to review the profiles doc
20:36:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-220 - Review the profiles doc [on Peter Winstanley - due 2018-09-25].
20:36:51 <annette_g> ACTION: annette_g to review the profiles doc
20:36:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-221 - Review the profiles doc [on Annette Greiner - due 2018-09-25].
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20:37:19 <ncar> q+
20:37:24 <antoine> q+
20:37:25 <annette_g> PWinstanley: which issues are most difficult, Nick?
20:37:40 <annette_g> ncar: I'm happy to let people jump in and discover.
20:38:11 <annette_g> PWinstanley: the one Antoine developed had pretty much everything that Nick had, except the requirements.
20:38:26 <annette_g> ncar: that's the only thing that's really different.
20:38:40 <annette_g> ..I'm happy to override my one with Antoine's.
20:39:19 <annette_g> ...no big conceptual differences. We just have to figure out how to deal with requirements. However we split those out is fine.
20:39:21 <annette_g> q+
20:39:28 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
20:39:31 <annette_g> PWinstanley: are you happy with that, Rob?
20:39:49 <annette_g> roba: yes, I think they're converging anyway.
20:39:50 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
20:39:58 <annette_g> PWinstanley: looks like we'll have something in the next 48 hours.
20:40:37 <kcoyle> q+
20:40:49 <annette_g> antoine: I was envisioning that the reqs could be included in the structure. Nick's idea of running through a demo seems good. Then we need to think about how to incorporate those into the structure.
20:41:03 <PWinstanley> ack annette_g
20:41:20 <ncar> q+
20:41:43 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
20:41:45 <annette_g> annette_g: I find it awkward to see a list of requirements in the doc.
20:41:46 <kcoyle> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2018Sep/0070.html
20:41:57 <PWinstanley> annette_g: I wouldn't want to base too much of the structure on the requirements - we just need to ensure that we respond to each them in the text
20:41:59 <annette_g> kcoyle: there are some requirements missing that need to be added.
20:42:30 <annette_g> PWinstanley: they need to be stuck on a scratchpad somewhere.
20:42:44 <antoine> q+
20:42:45 <annette_g> PWinstanley: Nick and Antoine can take those into account.
20:42:50 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
20:43:00 <PWinstanley> q?
20:43:25 <annette_g> ncar: to annette's point, I think we need to list the requirements initially to ensure we catch them all.
20:43:30 <annette_g> +1
20:44:00 <antoine> +1
20:44:03 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
20:44:08 <annette_g> ncar: so those 5 extra ones are wording complete but didn't have the tag "plenary approved". Can kcoyle add those tags?
20:44:34 <annette_g> antoine: even if the list is incomplete, we can still work with it.
20:44:57 <ncar> q+
20:44:59 <annette_g> ...I think I saw somewhere that the UCR group meets in September. Is that something that group would want to do?
20:45:03 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
20:45:46 <antoine> q+
20:45:48 <annette_g> ncar: I don't think we need to wait on the UCR group. If we plenary approve a bunch now, we can work with that. The UCR group can take a look after that.
20:45:52 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
20:46:32 <annette_g> antoine: If we can get the complete list of approved reqs, that's great, but we can still make progress without.
20:46:58 <annette_g> PWinstanley: let's move on.
20:47:08 <annette_g> TOPIC: profile negotiation group
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20:48:09 <PWinstanley> q?
20:48:15 <annette_g> ncar: in the last meeting, we substantially addressed responses to the IETF draft. There are some reasonable changes to be made to the doc agreed. It looks like we will be able to have a FPWD of the W3C doc soon. Things are going okay.
20:49:16 <annette_g> PWinstanley: we've got in the agenda three lots of use cases with the question whether they are still needed. Two others have had no or little discussion. Can we drop them?
20:49:32 <PWinstanley> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/223
20:50:25 <ncar> q+
20:50:30 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
20:50:33 <annette_g> This is about things like documents, geospatial standards, etc.
20:50:47 <annette_g> ncar: I think that's going to be covered naturally.
20:51:05 <DaveBrowning> +1 to ncar summary
20:51:10 <roba> q+
20:51:10 <annette_g> PWinstanley: I think that's why there's been little discussion on it. Any other comments?
20:51:16 <PWinstanley> ack roba
20:51:52 <annette_g> roba: I agree that it's largely covered. It suggests a particular solution, but I think content negotiation via profile covers the requirements.
20:52:11 <ncar> q=
20:52:13 <ncar> q+
20:52:20 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
20:52:54 <azaroth> +1 to archiving. Creating things like Work and Series seem very out of scope
20:53:14 <annette_g> PROPOSED: that we archive github issue 223 and do not pursue it. We will verify later with the author (Stijn) that it is covered.
20:53:17 <azaroth> +1
20:53:18 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:53:20 <ncar> +1
20:53:22 <kcoyle> +1
20:53:22 <PWinstanley> +1
20:53:22 <annette_g> +1
20:53:23 <antoine> +1
20:53:26 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:53:27 <roba> +1
20:53:38 <annette_g> RESOLVED: that we archive github issue 223 and do not pursue it. We will verify later with the author (Stijn) that it is covered.
20:53:49 <PWinstanley> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/224
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20:54:16 <ncar> q+
20:54:31 <azaroth> q+ to mention POE WG
20:54:40 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
20:54:41 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
20:54:48 <PWinstanley> ack azaroth
20:54:48 <Zakim> azaroth, you wanted to mention POE WG
20:54:49 <DaveBrowning> DCAT revision hasn't completed rights, licenses yet - so may be relevant
20:54:52 <annette_g> ncar: I think this is also something that's going to get covered anyway. Same as the last one.
20:54:56 <AndreaPerego> +1 to ncar
20:55:08 <roba> +1
20:55:14 <azaroth> POE WG: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Main_Page
20:55:16 <annette_g> roba: I would like to see this put out of scope. It would conflict with the permissions and obligations expressions group.
20:55:24 <azaroth> s/roba/azaroth/
20:55:33 <ncar> +1 (my suggestions & Rob S's can work together)
20:55:43 <annette_g> PWinstanley: If we need, we can point across to permissions and obligations group.
20:55:58 <azaroth> Agreed they're sympatico
20:56:01 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:56:06 <PWinstanley> ack AndreaPerego
20:56:18 <annette_g> PROPOSED: to archive github issue number 224 and check with Stijn to verify that what we did is okay with him.
20:57:02 <kcoyle> +1
20:57:11 <azaroth> +1
20:57:26 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to AndreaPerego ( provide some guidance)
20:57:28 <annette_g> AndreaPerego: this is overlapping with another use case. We can rely on what is done in the vocabulary group. We can provide good practices on how to use them.
20:57:46 <annette_g> +1 to archive it
20:57:47 <ncar> +1
20:57:47 <roba> +1
20:57:48 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:57:49 <PWinstanley> +1
20:57:49 <azaroth> +1 (to the current proposal to archive)
20:58:07 <antoine> q+
20:58:18 <annette_g> AndreaPerego: if it is archiving, it's fine for me.
20:58:36 <annette_g> PWinstanley: it is archiving with verification by Stijn.
20:58:44 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:59:00 <antoine> +1
20:59:01 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:59:13 <antoine> q-
20:59:15 <annette_g> PWinstanley: we're down to 2 minutes.
20:59:17 <ncar> UC #239 should have been removed from minutes
20:59:26 <annette_g> ...anybody else have comments?
20:59:26 <ncar> (agreed in a previous meeting)
20:59:30 <roba> q+
20:59:31 <AndreaPerego> s/it's fine for me./it's fine for me, provided we look into guidance on the use of dct:rights, dct:license, dct:accessRights in DCAT.
20:59:34 <PWinstanley> ack roba
20:59:42 <roba> q-
20:59:46 <ncar> q+
20:59:47 <annette_g> ...but we'll have another one next week.
20:59:52 <PWinstanley> ack ncar
21:00:12 <annette_g> ncar: 1-second resolution of UC239, we've already voted to remove that.
21:00:35 <annette_g> RESOLVED: to remove 239
21:00:50 <annette_g> PWinstanley: thanks all for a very good meeting.
21:01:19 <annette_g> RESOLVED: to archive github issue number 224 and check with Stijn to verify that what we did is okay with him.
21:01:32 <azaroth> Thanks all!
21:01:34 <ncar> present-
21:01:40 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, and bye!
21:01:44 <RiccardoAlbertoni> bye good night!
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