08:28:56 RRSAgent has joined #dxwgdcat 08:28:56 logging to https://www.w3.org/2018/09/13-dxwgdcat-irc 08:29:10 rrsagent: make logs public 08:29:55 Meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference 13 September 2018 08:30:23 Chair: Alejandra 08:30:54 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.09.13#Main_agenda 08:31:20 Makx has joined #dxwgdcat 08:31:34 SimonCox has joined #dxwgdcat 08:31:55 rrsagent, generate minutes v2 08:31:55 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/13-dxwgdcat-minutes.html alejandra 08:34:31 Jaroslav_Pullmann has joined #dxwgdcat 08:34:55 present+ 08:34:57 Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.09.13#Main_agenda 08:35:57 Regrets: Peter Winstanley 08:36:09 present+ 08:36:53 present+ 08:37:20 regrets: Alasdair Gray, Erik Mannens, Thomas D'Haenens, Lars Svensson 08:37:24 present+ 08:37:32 scribenick: Jaroslav_Pullmann 08:37:53 rrsagent, generate minutes v2 08:37:53 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/13-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBrowning 08:38:10 Scribe: Jaroslav Pullmann 08:38:30 chair: alejandra 08:38:34 regrets+: Peter Winstanley 08:38:39 rrsagent, generate minutes v2 08:38:39 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/13-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBrowning 08:39:11 topic: agenda of the call 08:39:31 alejandra: details of the release timeline 08:39:53 Topic: Approve minutes from last meeting – https://www.w3.org/2018/08/06-dxwgdcat-minutes 08:39:53 topic: approve minutes 08:40:07 https://www.w3.org/2018/09/06-dxwgdcat-minutes 08:40:14 https://www.w3.org/2018/09/06-dxwgdcat-minutes 08:40:28 +1 08:40:28 +1 08:40:30 0 - not present 08:40:33 +1 08:40:38 0 08:40:51 resolved: minutes approved 08:40:54 prensent+ 08:41:00 present+ 08:41:02 Topic: Outstanding actions 08:41:45 alejandra: going through the individual actions 08:42:07 https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open 08:42:52 Jaroslav_Pullmann: action 143 - looked at European Data Catalog 08:43:13 Jaroslav_Pullmann: collecting patterns 08:43:22 ... to see how distribution is misused sometimes 08:43:31 ... including very different types of content 08:44:08 ... will provide an overview of such relationships that are in current catalogs 08:44:35 Makx_ has joined #dxwgdcat 08:45:17 q+ 08:45:30 AndreaPerego has joined #dxwgdcat 08:45:34 present+ AndreaPerego 08:45:42 Makx_ has joined #dxwgdcat 08:45:43 topic: public comments 08:45:51 RRSAgent, draft minutes v2 08:45:51 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/13-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego 08:45:56 alejandra: did not receive it 08:46:03 Zakim has joined #dxwgdcat 08:46:24 rrsagent, make logs public 08:46:31 trackbot has joined #dxwgdcat 08:46:38 alejandra: talking about Guillaume Duffes email - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-comments/2018Sep/0000.html 08:46:39 q+ 08:46:46 ack SimonCox 08:47:02 SimonCox: about versioning issue 08:47:22 SimonCox: I was aproached by contacts from a versioning WG 08:47:34 q+ 08:48:07 ack DaveBrowning 08:48:41 q+ to comment on the RDA Data Discovery Paradigm group & schema.org 08:48:43 alejandra: talking about action https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/187 08:49:18 DaveBrowning: how do we engage these people? 08:49:53 q+ 08:49:54 SimonCox: both side waiting for activities on other side.. 08:49:59 q? 08:50:30 SimonCox: the UCs are fine as they are at moment 08:50:55 ack AndreaPerego 08:50:55 AndreaPerego, you wanted to comment on the RDA Data Discovery Paradigm group & schema.org 08:51:14 SimonCox: but a separate task group may want to derive more details 08:51:18 q? 08:51:33 About the RDA DDPIG post on schema.org task force: https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/data-discovery-paradigms-ig/post/rda-ddpig-task-force-using-schemaorg-research-dataset 08:51:34 AndreaPerego: there is a Data Disvovery Paradigm (DDI?) group 08:51:57 AndreaPerego: engaged to report about DXWG work 08:52:33 AndreaPerego: ther might be an misunderstanding about indexing metadata 08:52:58 AndreaPerego: Google e.g. considers (a subset of) schema.org 08:53:22 q? 08:54:00 AndreaPerego: elaborated models will not be considered by search engines, there is a movement towards schema.org 08:54:12 ack alejandra 08:54:34 alejandra: regarding versioning, will there be a separate task force? 08:54:42 s/Disvovery/Discovery/ 08:54:46 DaveBrowning: I'd avoid an additional meeting 08:55:09 q? 08:55:26 DaveBrowning: no plans so far, we should colect resources available and provide as input to interested audience 08:55:42 DaveBrowning: I will provide a strawman proposal 08:56:45 q? 08:56:47 alejandra: when we'll release the 2nd WD, we are not clear about which parts of DCAT are indexed by Google 08:57:28 From the public comment "Note 5 / Issue #98: The subtyping relationship between dctype:Dataset and dcat:Dataset has been removed. Although the subtype was indeed too restrictive, should another relationship not be added to characterise the relationship between both and leave the user helpless?" 08:57:33 alejandra: comming back to public comments 08:58:19 q? 08:59:22 alejandra: what is in the DCAT v.2014 w.r.t to this comment? 08:59:42 q? 09:00:01 Makx has joined #dxwgdcat 09:00:19 alejandra: would it be a profile of dcat2014 w.r.t to the revised DCAT? 09:00:42 SimonCox: talsk to Nick about developments on DCAT profiling mechanism 09:00:50 s/talsk/talk/ 09:01:16 q? 09:01:21 q+ 09:01:36 a? 09:01:37 q? 09:01:41 alejandra: the commenters is requesting how to deal with the removal of this relationship? 09:01:46 ack SimonCox 09:02:20 SimonCox: the issue is not really obvious 09:02:39 This is the issue: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/98 09:03:06 SimonCox: the subtyping was felt too restrictive 09:03:52 SimonCox: how do now relate the dcat:Dataset and dct:Dataset? 09:04:09 SimonCox: suggesting to point to https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#classifying-dataset-types 09:05:05 SimonCox: dct:Dataset would apparently go into dct:type 09:05:29 q? 09:05:35 SimonCox: comparing the definitions of both concepts, DCT seems to align with 2014 DCAT definition 09:06:28 dctype vocabulary is mentioned in https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#classifying-dataset-types 09:06:44 q+ 09:06:47 q? 09:06:53 ack Jaroslav_Pullmann 09:07:05 Jaroslav_Pullmann: SimonCox 09:07:14 Jaroslav_Pullmann: SimonCox pointed out to dct:type 09:07:24 ... predicate to point to more specific types of dataset 09:08:06 q? 09:08:08 otherwise the question is how to compare the definition of dataset from here http://dublincore.org/documents/dcmi-terms/#section-7 i.e. "Data encoded in a defined structure." with the definition from https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#Class:Dataset i.e. "A collection of data, published or curated by a single agent, and available for access or download in one or more formats." 09:08:46 q? 09:09:58 SimonCox: we indicate removal of the predicate but do not give the explanation 09:10:19 Maybe we should expand this note "NOTE In DCAT 2014 [VOCAB-DCAT-20140116] dcat:Dataset was a sub-class of dctype:Dataset, which is a member of the DCMI Types vocabulary [DCTERMS]. This relationship has been removed in the revised DCAT vocabulary - see Issue #98." to explain why the change was made 09:10:20 action SimonCox: clarify this in document 09:10:20 Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel. 09:10:49 q? 09:11:03 and explain that his email got lost.... 09:11:20 alejandra: we create an issue and address the issue by a pull request/update of the document 09:11:43 Second point: 11 DCAT Profiles, Issue 72, "for spcific applications" --> "for specific applications" 09:11:48 Already fixed 09:12:12 Third comment about https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/88 09:12:34 q? 09:12:43 alejandra: responded to comment within the issues which is still under discussion 09:13:01 alejandra: mapping to DDI 09:13:12 Last comment about DDI and Disco relationship 09:13:26 should we include it in https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/164 ? 09:13:59 q? 09:14:15 rrsagent, generate minutes v2 09:14:15 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/13-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBrowning 09:14:41 ACTION alejandra to add comment on issue 164 09:14:41 Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel. 09:14:48 ACTION alejandra to reply to the comment list 09:14:48 Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel. 09:15:04 Topic: Second Working Draft - issues, progress, owners 09:15:05 topic: 2nd public WD 09:15:08 q? 09:15:33 alejandra: decision when to finish - mid September? 09:15:36 q? 09:15:40 q+ 09:15:45 ack DaveBrowning 09:16:18 https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-demo-daveb/dcat/index.html 09:16:22 DaveBrowning: had some coversaions with Dave Raggett 09:16:35 DaveBrowning: there is new PWD header 09:16:56 linking to the previous version and linking to the recommendation 09:17:04 q? 09:17:07 q+ 09:17:42 DaveBrowning: we need to make a proposal how to publish the RDF 09:18:06 at moment the document links to the live ontology on github 09:18:28 q? 09:18:48 DaveBrowning: we should link to a stable version 09:19:00 q+ 09:19:24 ack alejandra 09:19:30 DaveBrowning: Dave done some (link) checks already 09:19:41 q+ to ask if we could create a 'tag' in GitHub, and point to the RDF at the tag 09:19:53 alejandra: need to close editorial issues (e.g. link to old version of RDF) 09:20:27 alejandra: what is going to be the final URL? 09:21:00 DaveBrowning: W3C will link to a latest dated snapshot 09:21:03 https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat-2/ will always point to the latest 09:21:08 q? 09:21:15 ack Jaroslav_Pullmann 09:21:32 ack SimonCox 09:21:32 SimonCox, you wanted to ask if we could create a 'tag' in GitHub, and point to the RDF at the tag 09:21:49 SimonCox: what is the problem exactly? 09:22:22 This issue: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/320 09:22:32 q? 09:23:20 Milestone: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/13 09:23:32 alejandra: we should resolve the "editorial" issues in the recent milestone 09:23:50 q? 09:23:57 q+ 09:24:05 alejandra: should we move the publication to end of September? 09:24:25 DaveBrowning: agree, need to clarify with Dave R. how to publish the RDF 09:24:32 ack SimonCox 09:24:34 q? 09:25:32 alejandra: some of the issues would need to be removed - since still to be discussed 09:25:56 q+ 09:25:57 alejandra: should focus on doucment improvements 09:26:02 ack SimonCox 09:26:05 q? 09:26:36 s/doucment/document/ 09:26:48 SimonCox: should we finalize by end of next week? 09:27:27 alejandra: yes, in order to meet the deadline by end Sept. It's not going to be complete 09:27:34 +1 09:27:59 q+ 09:28:04 ack DaveBrowning 09:28:06 alejandra: progress on issues until next week, make decision then 09:28:25 ack alejandra 09:28:29 q+ 09:28:42 DaveBrowning: the issues have various complexity 09:29:23 DaveBrowning: we should early tidy up 09:29:55 alejandra: should we as group decide upon issue inclusion? 09:30:22 SimonCox: if there is no pull request - there is no solution, need to separate them out by next week 09:30:58 alejandra: we'll keep the discussion until next week 09:31:29 DaveBrowning: should I proceed in terms of an RDF snapshot? 09:32:04 q? 09:32:06 alejandra: definitely, we need a stable version (tag on github) 09:32:10 ack alejandra 09:32:24 +1 DaveBrowning ` 09:32:25 rrsagent, generate minutes v2 09:32:25 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/13-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBrowning 09:32:29 Thanks, bye bye 09:32:46 rrsagent: draft minutes v2 09:32:46 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/13-dxwgdcat-minutes.html Jaroslav_Pullmann 09:32:49 bye 09:32:51 present- 09:32:55 bye!