IRC log of dpvcg on 2018-09-04

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Meeting: Data Privacy Vocabularies and Controls Community Group Teleconference
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Date: 04 September 2018
13:59:18 [agendabot]
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13:59:34 [Bert]
agenda: https://www.w3.org/mid/45D4050C-6F2B-42AA-AAF5-AA86F5AD357E@wu.ac.at
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clear agenda
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agenda+ Roll call, select scribe, agenda
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agenda+ Minutes of last telcon
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agenda+ Action items
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agenda+ MyData 2018, reporting back & DPVCG scope (Axel)
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agenda+ New Use cases & templates
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agenda+ New vocabularies
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agenda+ Requirements
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agenda+ AOB
14:00:05 [AxelPollleres]
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Hi all!
14:00:47 [AxelPollleres]
hmm, seems there was some confusion about today's telco through my emails.
14:04:02 [AxelPollleres]
agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Sep/0000.html
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clear agenda
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agenda+ Roll call, select scribe, agenda
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agenda+ Minutes of last telcon
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agenda+ Action items
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agenda+ MyData 2018, reporting back & DPVCG scope (Axel)
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agenda+ New Use cases & templates
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agenda+ New vocabularies
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agenda+ Requirements
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agenda+ AOB
14:04:14 [AxelPollleres]
present: Bert, Axel, Harald
14:05:29 [AxelPollleres]
topic: schedule, milestones
14:05:45 [AxelPollleres]
present: Romisa, Stefano
14:07:12 [AxelPollleres]
Axel: we definitly have a good set of vocabularies
14:07:26 [Javier]
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14:08:53 [AxelPollleres]
scribe: Javier
14:09:03 [Bert]
Bert has changed the topic to: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Sep/0000.html
14:09:33 [AxelPollleres]
... use cases, we need more
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14:09:39 [Javier]
Axel: we can have more use cases, and we have to decide where we want to go with the requirements
14:10:58 [Javier]
Axel: in the F2F we said we want taxonomy for purposes, GDPR terms... etc. I think we need use cases for these things and use cases covering these terms. I think we should be OK and do not extend requirements now
14:11:01 [AxelPollleres]
present: rigo
14:11:05 [Javier]
Rigo: I would support it
14:11:22 [AxelPollleres]
Harald: I would maybe have more requirements from thelegalt side
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14:11:41 [Javier]
Harald: I can add more requirements from our internal discussions
14:12:36 [Javier]
Rigo: I would not do as an exercise, but take one by one use cases in the CG and expand it in a taxonomy
14:13:21 [Javier]
Axel: Extending on use cases is OK, I advertised it in mydata
14:13:46 [AxelPollleres]
Rigo: let's not do an "explaining-the-world-exercises", but take 1-by-1 the use cases by the community group and cover them
14:13:52 [Javier]
Stefano: is there a collection of use cases that we can build upon?
14:14:02 [AxelPollleres]
Axel: mydata has a collection, AFAIK
14:14:05 [Javier]
Axel: There is something from mydata meeting
14:14:28 [Harald_ULD]
Axel: More use cases encouraged. Axel proposed joining dpvcg at MyData, Helsinki last week.
14:14:42 [AxelPollleres]
ACTION: Stefano to explore list of mydata use cases.
14:14:42 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-18 - Explore list of mydata use cases. [on Stefano Bocconi - due 2018-09-11].
14:15:39 [Javier]
Axel will provide link to MyData use cases
14:16:08 [Javier]
Topic: minutes from last time
14:16:12 [AxelPollleres]
no comments
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topic: ACTIONS
14:16:34 [AxelPollleres]
https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/open
14:17:34 [Javier]
Bert will provide overview of SPECIAL use cases
14:17:49 [AxelPollleres]
ACTION-10 done
14:18:08 [AxelPollleres]
trackbot, close ACTION-10
14:18:08 [trackbot]
Closed ACTION-10.
14:19:05 [AxelPollleres]
trackbot, close ACTION-13
14:19:05 [trackbot]
Closed ACTION-13.
14:20:26 [Javier]
Axel: anybody active in ieee 7012? Axel willl try to reach out
14:22:36 [AxelPollleres]
close ACTION-15
14:22:37 [trackbot]
Closed ACTION-15.
14:22:57 [AxelPollleres]
close ACTION-16
14:22:57 [trackbot]
Closed ACTION-16.
14:23:37 [Javier]
Topic: report back from Mydata, Helsinki
14:24:23 [Javier]
Axel: We need to discuss in order to define the scope of the WG. I talked of Interoperability, consent and transparency
14:24:54 [Javier]
axel: positive feedback, nobody is working in integrating the efforts in this area, only us
14:25:25 [Harald_ULD]
Axel: No one seems to have efforts on integrateing the approaches except us (DPVCG-group).
14:25:25 [Javier]
... they talked a lot of standards but for identity, authentication,... , we can keep an eye and have liasons
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14:26:50 [Javier]
Axel: some other topics: distributed identities, authentication standardisation, credential community group (standards for credential exchange)
14:27:22 [Javier]
... They mostly focus on the protocol but not in our scope, e.g. data categories, we have a quite unique scope
14:27:25 [simonstey]
present+
14:27:45 [AxelPollleres]
5) Social Activity --> Activity Streams
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4) Consent & Transparency --> DPVCG
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3) Credentials --> Credentials CG
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2) Identity--> DID, national eIDs, …
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1) Authentication? --> Oauth, DIDAuth, Webauthn
14:28:36 [Javier]
Axel: In this categories, privacy and consent would be one level below
14:29:00 [AxelPollleres]
https://aic.ai.wu.ac.at/~polleres/presentations/20180830MyData2018_Interop_and_Transparency.pdf
14:29:22 [Javier]
Axel: slides are available in the link above, feedback is welcomed!
14:29:29 [Javier]
Stefano: It
14:29:42 [Javier]
Stefano: It's surprising nobody is doing this effort
14:30:25 [Javier]
Axel: For web browsers there is another w3c workshop in California, september, but they are not aware of our efforts
14:30:56 [AxelPollleres]
https://www.w3.org/Privacy/permissions-ws-2018/cfp.html
14:31:05 [Harald_ULD]
Rigo: there is another workgroup re-establishing the android-permissions in the context of an US-understanding of data prtoection.
14:31:20 [Javier]
Rigo: Not surprising, the browsers are like a modern TV :)
14:31:29 [rigo]
s/of data prtoection/privacy/
14:32:10 [AxelPollleres]
https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/Use-Cases,_Requirements,_Vocabularies
14:32:19 [Harald_ULD]
Axel: a
14:32:23 [rigo]
Harald_ULD: I oppose the US understanding of privacy/secrecy to the EU understanding of data protection. The latter is more about dossiers than about secrecy
14:32:43 [Javier]
Axel: added more vocabularies, e.g. CDMM, ActivityStreams...
14:32:49 [rigo]
AxelPollleres: may look into schema.org vocabs
14:33:02 [rigo]
... consent received work by Kantara
14:33:27 [rigo]
... data categories from schema.org to be explored
14:34:02 [Javier]
Bert: So they are creating a foundation...
14:34:49 [Javier]
Axel: yes, it is organized by country, but they are thinking of building a more formal structure.
14:35:54 [Javier]
... the origin in Finland and they are thinking of how to organize and make it attractive
14:36:25 [Javier]
Javier: Is someone from mydata joining the group?
14:36:58 [Javier]
Axel: Probably 1 or 2, not sure if they will join the telcos, trying to have people from Kantara makes a lot of sense
14:37:40 [Javier]
... I particularly talked to people with use cases and invited them to post the use case and join the calls
14:38:07 [AxelPollleres]
https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/OwnYourData/Data_Donation
14:38:11 [Javier]
... For example, https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/OwnYourData/Data_Donation, by the founder of ownmydata
14:38:31 [Javier]
s/ownmydata/ownyourdata
14:39:06 [Javier]
Topic: new use cases and templates
14:39:36 [Javier]
Axel: Already mentioned the new use cases, Ownyourdata, also digi.me, but it needs more details
14:39:40 [Sabrina]
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14:39:40 [AxelPollleres]
ACTION: Axel to contact digi.me again for a more detailed use case description
14:39:40 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-19 - Contact digi.me again for a more detailed use case description [on Axel Polleres - due 2018-09-11].
14:39:53 [Sabrina]
present+ Sabrina
14:40:02 [Javier]
Axel: is there anybody else planning to add more use cases?
14:40:21 [Javier]
Harald: do we need to link use cases and requirements?
14:40:51 [Javier]
...we can maybe add something regarding data processing by public entities
14:41:04 [rigo]
present+ Rigo
14:41:37 [Javier]
... more regarding to transmission, public archives, police... etc. Are there legal reasons to transmit personal data?
14:42:50 [AxelPollleres]
ACTION: harald proposes use case about public entities handling personal data
14:42:50 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-20 - Proposes use case about public entities handling personal data [on Harald Zwingelberg - due 2018-09-11].
14:44:00 [Javier]
Axel: We have the list of requirements we should cover. How should we proceed? Should we vote, are we missing something...?
14:44:16 [AxelPollleres]
thoughts on additional requirements? use cases?
14:44:25 [Javier]
Stefano: We are still collecting use cases and this can cover more requirements
14:44:48 [Javier]
Axel: Should we then wait for more use cases?
14:45:07 [Javier]
Stefano: We need enough coverage to have relevance
14:45:36 [Javier]
Axel: If use cases are general enough then it is not tragic
14:46:36 [Javier]
Axel: I tried to convince people to add use cases even if they do not join the calls, in order to have enough coverage
14:47:12 [Javier]
Axel: We might then try to have more use cases and try to expand if needed
14:48:10 [Javier]
Sabrina: if you want to make progress, maybe organize another workshop with industry, maybe co-located with Big Data Value Vienna
14:48:45 [Javier]
Axel: We might have some locals, but we are a bit tight on time
14:49:01 [Javier]
Sabrina: One could find the people already registered/attending
14:49:31 [AxelPollleres]
Sabrina: run a workshop on industry use cases around BDVA-Forum
14:49:34 [Javier]
Axel: I can try to find out, but it is rather soon
14:50:19 [Javier]
Sabrina: Maybe we can ask Big Data PPP for support
14:50:25 [Javier]
... they already contacted Eva
14:50:59 [Sabrina]
https://www.european-big-data-value-forum.eu/
14:51:00 [AxelPollleres]
http://www.bdva.eu/
14:51:36 [Javier]
Axel: if we agree when we can organize the meeting, then we can see if we can reach the companies
14:52:17 [Javier]
... From me it could be hard, except for the 13th but companies will be in the meeting
14:52:39 [Javier]
Sabrina: Maybe try via the PPP
14:52:56 [Javier]
Rigo: Yes, this can go via Eva, she is well connected there
14:53:30 [AxelPollleres]
Use cases for Privacy session at BDVA
14:53:31 [Javier]
Rigo: was in Versaille last meeting, and it was a bit caotic, last minute
14:54:12 [Javier]
Axel: can we put an action to Eva?
14:54:32 [Javier]
Harald: For the vienna conference in november, Eva will be there potentially
14:54:53 [AxelPollleres]
ACTION: Harald to talk to Eva to get in touch with BDVA about a session slot in the European Bid Data Value Forum.
14:54:53 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-21 - Talk to eva to get in touch with bdva about a session slot in the european bid data value forum. [on Harald Zwingelberg - due 2018-09-11].
14:54:57 [Javier]
... there could be a pannel session
14:55:14 [Javier]
... I will ask Eva to ask and report to the group
14:56:09 [Javier]
Axel: Of course we can present what we have now, but in general we need a slot to get to know how companies are doing with GDPR
14:56:41 [Javier]
Sabrina: already registered but in the first two days
14:56:52 [Javier]
Axel: I can try to join the first days
14:57:22 [AxelPollleres]
Sabrina, Harald, Eva, planning to go to BDVA, maybe Axel, Javier, ...
14:57:37 [Ramisa]
not me
14:58:11 [AxelPollleres]
ACTION: Stefano to ask around whether DECODE is willing to participate in BDVA-Forum
14:58:12 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-22 - Ask around whether decode is willing to participate in bdva-forum [on Stefano Bocconi - due 2018-09-11].
14:58:59 [Javier]
Topic: Next steps and strategy
14:59:23 [Javier]
Axel: Bert and I have to talk and maybe discuss with the group in the next telco
14:59:44 [AxelPollleres]
ACTION: Bert and Axel tallk about refining the schedule/scope of the group and come back with a proposal how to order the input collected so far
14:59:44 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-23 - And axel tallk about refining the schedule/scope of the group and come back with a proposal how to order the input collected so far [on Bert Bos - due 2018-09-11].
14:59:57 [Javier]
topic: AOB
15:00:03 [AxelPollleres]
AOB:
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Harald: I advertise in recent (?) meeting, maybe we can have more people joining
15:01:37 [Ramisa]
thank you
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Axel: Next telco in two weeks
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Harald: He presented DPVCG at ARES 2018 in Hamburg last Monday inviting potential participants from other EU-projects to join.
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15:04:31 [AxelPollleres]
thanks! talk soon!
15:08:35 [Bert]
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Chair: Alex
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previous meeting: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Aug/0039.html
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