13:58:59 RRSAgent has joined #dpvcg 13:58:59 logging to https://www.w3.org/2018/09/04-dpvcg-irc 13:59:01 RRSAgent, make logs public 13:59:04 Meeting: Data Privacy Vocabularies and Controls Community Group Teleconference 13:59:04 Date: 04 September 2018 13:59:18 agendabot has joined #dpvcg 13:59:34 agenda: https://www.w3.org/mid/45D4050C-6F2B-42AA-AAF5-AA86F5AD357E@wu.ac.at 13:59:36 clear agenda 13:59:36 agenda+ Roll call, select scribe, agenda 13:59:36 agenda+ Minutes of last telcon 13:59:36 agenda+ Action items 13:59:36 agenda+ MyData 2018, reporting back & DPVCG scope (Axel) 13:59:38 agenda+ New Use cases & templates 13:59:41 agenda+ New vocabularies 13:59:43 agenda+ Requirements 13:59:46 agenda+ AOB 14:00:05 AxelPollleres has joined #dpvcg 14:00:17 Hi all! 14:00:47 hmm, seems there was some confusion about today's telco through my emails. 14:04:02 agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Sep/0000.html 14:04:03 clear agenda 14:04:03 agenda+ Roll call, select scribe, agenda 14:04:03 agenda+ Minutes of last telcon 14:04:03 agenda+ Action items 14:04:03 agenda+ MyData 2018, reporting back & DPVCG scope (Axel) 14:04:05 agenda+ New Use cases & templates 14:04:08 agenda+ New vocabularies 14:04:10 agenda+ Requirements 14:04:13 agenda+ AOB 14:04:14 present: Bert, Axel, Harald 14:05:29 topic: schedule, milestones 14:05:45 present: Romisa, Stefano 14:07:12 Axel: we definitly have a good set of vocabularies 14:07:26 Javier has joined #DPVCG 14:08:18 Ramisa has joined #dpvcg 14:08:53 scribe: Javier 14:09:03 Bert has changed the topic to: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Sep/0000.html 14:09:33 ... use cases, we need more 14:09:34 stefano has joined #dpvcg 14:09:39 Harald_ULD has joined #dpvcg 14:09:39 Axel: we can have more use cases, and we have to decide where we want to go with the requirements 14:10:58 Axel: in the F2F we said we want taxonomy for purposes, GDPR terms... etc. I think we need use cases for these things and use cases covering these terms. I think we should be OK and do not extend requirements now 14:11:01 present: rigo 14:11:05 Rigo: I would support it 14:11:22 Harald: I would maybe have more requirements from thelegalt side 14:11:40 rigo has joined #dpvcg 14:11:41 Harald: I can add more requirements from our internal discussions 14:12:36 Rigo: I would not do as an exercise, but take one by one use cases in the CG and expand it in a taxonomy 14:13:21 Axel: Extending on use cases is OK, I advertised it in mydata 14:13:46 Rigo: let's not do an "explaining-the-world-exercises", but take 1-by-1 the use cases by the community group and cover them 14:13:52 Stefano: is there a collection of use cases that we can build upon? 14:14:02 Axel: mydata has a collection, AFAIK 14:14:05 Axel: There is something from mydata meeting 14:14:28 Axel: More use cases encouraged. Axel proposed joining dpvcg at MyData, Helsinki last week. 14:14:42 ACTION: Stefano to explore list of mydata use cases. 14:14:42 Created ACTION-18 - Explore list of mydata use cases. [on Stefano Bocconi - due 2018-09-11]. 14:15:39 Axel will provide link to MyData use cases 14:16:08 Topic: minutes from last time 14:16:12 no comments 14:16:34 topic: ACTIONS 14:16:34 https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/track/actions/open 14:17:34 Bert will provide overview of SPECIAL use cases 14:17:49 ACTION-10 done 14:18:08 trackbot, close ACTION-10 14:18:08 Closed ACTION-10. 14:19:05 trackbot, close ACTION-13 14:19:05 Closed ACTION-13. 14:20:26 Axel: anybody active in ieee 7012? Axel willl try to reach out 14:22:36 close ACTION-15 14:22:37 Closed ACTION-15. 14:22:57 close ACTION-16 14:22:57 Closed ACTION-16. 14:23:37 Topic: report back from Mydata, Helsinki 14:24:23 Axel: We need to discuss in order to define the scope of the WG. I talked of Interoperability, consent and transparency 14:24:54 axel: positive feedback, nobody is working in integrating the efforts in this area, only us 14:25:25 Axel: No one seems to have efforts on integrateing the approaches except us (DPVCG-group). 14:25:25 ... they talked a lot of standards but for identity, authentication,... , we can keep an eye and have liasons 14:25:38 simonstey has joined #dpvcg 14:26:50 Axel: some other topics: distributed identities, authentication standardisation, credential community group (standards for credential exchange) 14:27:22 ... They mostly focus on the protocol but not in our scope, e.g. data categories, we have a quite unique scope 14:27:25 present+ 14:27:45 5) Social Activity --> Activity Streams 14:27:45 4) Consent & Transparency --> DPVCG 14:27:47 3) Credentials --> Credentials CG 14:27:48 2) Identity--> DID, national eIDs, … 14:27:48 1) Authentication? --> Oauth, DIDAuth, Webauthn 14:28:36 Axel: In this categories, privacy and consent would be one level below 14:29:00 https://aic.ai.wu.ac.at/~polleres/presentations/20180830MyData2018_Interop_and_Transparency.pdf 14:29:22 Axel: slides are available in the link above, feedback is welcomed! 14:29:29 Stefano: It 14:29:42 Stefano: It's surprising nobody is doing this effort 14:30:25 Axel: For web browsers there is another w3c workshop in California, september, but they are not aware of our efforts 14:30:56 https://www.w3.org/Privacy/permissions-ws-2018/cfp.html 14:31:05 Rigo: there is another workgroup re-establishing the android-permissions in the context of an US-understanding of data prtoection. 14:31:20 Rigo: Not surprising, the browsers are like a modern TV :) 14:31:29 s/of data prtoection/privacy/ 14:32:10 https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/Use-Cases,_Requirements,_Vocabularies 14:32:19 Axel: a 14:32:23 Harald_ULD: I oppose the US understanding of privacy/secrecy to the EU understanding of data protection. The latter is more about dossiers than about secrecy 14:32:43 Axel: added more vocabularies, e.g. CDMM, ActivityStreams... 14:32:49 AxelPollleres: may look into schema.org vocabs 14:33:02 ... consent received work by Kantara 14:33:27 ... data categories from schema.org to be explored 14:34:02 Bert: So they are creating a foundation... 14:34:49 Axel: yes, it is organized by country, but they are thinking of building a more formal structure. 14:35:54 ... the origin in Finland and they are thinking of how to organize and make it attractive 14:36:25 Javier: Is someone from mydata joining the group? 14:36:58 Axel: Probably 1 or 2, not sure if they will join the telcos, trying to have people from Kantara makes a lot of sense 14:37:40 ... I particularly talked to people with use cases and invited them to post the use case and join the calls 14:38:07 https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/OwnYourData/Data_Donation 14:38:11 ... For example, https://www.w3.org/community/dpvcg/wiki/OwnYourData/Data_Donation, by the founder of ownmydata 14:38:31 s/ownmydata/ownyourdata 14:39:06 Topic: new use cases and templates 14:39:36 Axel: Already mentioned the new use cases, Ownyourdata, also digi.me, but it needs more details 14:39:40 Sabrina has joined #dpvcg 14:39:40 ACTION: Axel to contact digi.me again for a more detailed use case description 14:39:40 Created ACTION-19 - Contact digi.me again for a more detailed use case description [on Axel Polleres - due 2018-09-11]. 14:39:53 present+ Sabrina 14:40:02 Axel: is there anybody else planning to add more use cases? 14:40:21 Harald: do we need to link use cases and requirements? 14:40:51 ...we can maybe add something regarding data processing by public entities 14:41:04 present+ Rigo 14:41:37 ... more regarding to transmission, public archives, police... etc. Are there legal reasons to transmit personal data? 14:42:50 ACTION: harald proposes use case about public entities handling personal data 14:42:50 Created ACTION-20 - Proposes use case about public entities handling personal data [on Harald Zwingelberg - due 2018-09-11]. 14:44:00 Axel: We have the list of requirements we should cover. How should we proceed? Should we vote, are we missing something...? 14:44:16 thoughts on additional requirements? use cases? 14:44:25 Stefano: We are still collecting use cases and this can cover more requirements 14:44:48 Axel: Should we then wait for more use cases? 14:45:07 Stefano: We need enough coverage to have relevance 14:45:36 Axel: If use cases are general enough then it is not tragic 14:46:36 Axel: I tried to convince people to add use cases even if they do not join the calls, in order to have enough coverage 14:47:12 Axel: We might then try to have more use cases and try to expand if needed 14:48:10 Sabrina: if you want to make progress, maybe organize another workshop with industry, maybe co-located with Big Data Value Vienna 14:48:45 Axel: We might have some locals, but we are a bit tight on time 14:49:01 Sabrina: One could find the people already registered/attending 14:49:31 Sabrina: run a workshop on industry use cases around BDVA-Forum 14:49:34 Axel: I can try to find out, but it is rather soon 14:50:19 Sabrina: Maybe we can ask Big Data PPP for support 14:50:25 ... they already contacted Eva 14:50:59 https://www.european-big-data-value-forum.eu/ 14:51:00 http://www.bdva.eu/ 14:51:36 Axel: if we agree when we can organize the meeting, then we can see if we can reach the companies 14:52:17 ... From me it could be hard, except for the 13th but companies will be in the meeting 14:52:39 Sabrina: Maybe try via the PPP 14:52:56 Rigo: Yes, this can go via Eva, she is well connected there 14:53:30 Use cases for Privacy session at BDVA 14:53:31 Rigo: was in Versaille last meeting, and it was a bit caotic, last minute 14:54:12 Axel: can we put an action to Eva? 14:54:32 Harald: For the vienna conference in november, Eva will be there potentially 14:54:53 ACTION: Harald to talk to Eva to get in touch with BDVA about a session slot in the European Bid Data Value Forum. 14:54:53 Created ACTION-21 - Talk to eva to get in touch with bdva about a session slot in the european bid data value forum. [on Harald Zwingelberg - due 2018-09-11]. 14:54:57 ... there could be a pannel session 14:55:14 ... I will ask Eva to ask and report to the group 14:56:09 Axel: Of course we can present what we have now, but in general we need a slot to get to know how companies are doing with GDPR 14:56:41 Sabrina: already registered but in the first two days 14:56:52 Axel: I can try to join the first days 14:57:22 Sabrina, Harald, Eva, planning to go to BDVA, maybe Axel, Javier, ... 14:57:37 not me 14:58:11 ACTION: Stefano to ask around whether DECODE is willing to participate in BDVA-Forum 14:58:12 Created ACTION-22 - Ask around whether decode is willing to participate in bdva-forum [on Stefano Bocconi - due 2018-09-11]. 14:58:59 Topic: Next steps and strategy 14:59:23 Axel: Bert and I have to talk and maybe discuss with the group in the next telco 14:59:44 ACTION: Bert and Axel tallk about refining the schedule/scope of the group and come back with a proposal how to order the input collected so far 14:59:44 Created ACTION-23 - And axel tallk about refining the schedule/scope of the group and come back with a proposal how to order the input collected so far [on Bert Bos - due 2018-09-11]. 14:59:57 topic: AOB 15:00:03 AOB: 15:00:57 Harald: I advertise in recent (?) meeting, maybe we can have more people joining 15:01:37 thank you 15:01:56 Harald_ULD has joined #dpvcg 15:01:58 Axel: Next telco in two weeks 15:02:13 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:02:13 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/04-dpvcg-minutes.html AxelPollleres 15:02:15 Harald: He presented DPVCG at ARES 2018 in Hamburg last Monday inviting potential participants from other EU-projects to join. 15:02:25 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:02:25 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/04-dpvcg-minutes.html AxelPollleres 15:02:33 rrsagent, make minutes public 15:02:33 I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', AxelPollleres. Try /msg RRSAgent help 15:02:58 rrsaggent, draft public minutes 15:03:18 rrsagent, draft public minutes 15:03:18 I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft public minutes', AxelPollleres. Try /msg RRSAgent help 15:04:02 rrsagent, make logs public 15:04:16 RRSAgent, make minutes v2 15:04:16 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/04-dpvcg-minutes.html Bert 15:04:31 thanks! talk soon! 15:08:35 i/Hi all/scribenick: Javier, AxelPollleres, Rigo 15:08:39 RRSAgent, make minutes v2 15:08:39 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/04-dpvcg-minutes.html Bert 15:13:29 present+ Axel, Bert, Harald, Ramisa, Stefano, Javier 15:13:43 Chair: Alex 15:14:27 previous meeting: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpvcg/2018Aug/0039.html 15:14:32 RRSAgent, make minutes v2 15:14:32 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/04-dpvcg-minutes.html Bert 15:18:05 s/they are creating/mydata.org is creating/ 15:18:35 s/AOB:// 15:20:09 s/advertise in recent (?) meeting, maybe we can have more people joining/presented DPVCG at ARES 2018 in Hamburg last Monday inviting potential participants from other EU-projects to join. 15:21:01 s/presented DPVCG at ARES 2018 in Hamburg last Monday inviting potential participants from other EU-projects to join.// 15:21:24 s/rrsaggent, draft public minutes// 15:21:29 RRSAgent, make minutes v2 15:21:29 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/04-dpvcg-minutes.html Bert 15:22:29 s/Harald: He// 15:22:58 RRSAgent, make minutes v2 15:22:58 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/09/04-dpvcg-minutes.html Bert 17:16:11 AxelPollleres has joined #dpvcg 17:18:42 skirrane has joined #dpvcg 17:55:36 AxelPollleres has joined #dpvcg 18:01:42 AxelPollleres has joined #dpvcg 18:08:17 skirrane has joined #dpvcg