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19:46:04 <PWinstanley> chair: Karen Coyle
19:47:15 <PWinstanley> regrets+ Andrea, Antoine Isaac
19:47:28 <PWinstanley> Meeting: DXWG Plenary
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20:06:43 <roba> scribenick: roba
20:07:20 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2018/08/14-dxwg-minutes
20:09:05 <kcoyle> proposed: accept minutes of august 14
20:09:09 <roba> +1
20:09:16 <ncar> +1
20:09:20 <azaroth> +1
20:09:21 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> 0 (absent)
20:09:25 <alejandra> +1
20:09:37 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: accept minutes of August 14
20:09:52 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
20:11:23 <roba> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/pendingreview
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20:12:22 <roba> closing #148 #162
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20:13:44 <riccardoAlbertoni> present+
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20:14:42 <alejandra> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/177
20:15:37 <roba> from DCAT WG: RESOLVED: DCAT determines that the description of profiles is relevant to meeting some requirements for DCAT but since is broader conceptually than the DCAT scope should be addressed in the profile guidance deliverables
20:15:41 <kcoyle> in minutes https://www.w3.org/2018/08/16-dxwgdcat-minutes.html
20:15:59 <roba> and RESOLVED: treat profiles at the same level of detail and using the same mechanism as services in the DCAT specification
20:16:29 <Caroline> Present+
20:16:51 <roba> q+
20:16:54 <alejandra> +q
20:17:02 <roba> kcoyle: what is the level of detail...
20:17:06 <kcoyle> ack roba
20:17:22 <SimonCox> kcoyle: suggest you look at https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/UML/DCAT-summary.png
20:17:43 <kcoyle> roba: decision not to choose a particular decision and broadening dcat to services means we should have a high level solution;
20:17:44 <alejandra> q-
20:17:54 <kcoyle> ... dcat will have a high level concept of service, but nothing more
20:18:01 <annette_g> +1 to that
20:18:35 <roba> closing #177
20:18:54 <SimonCox> q+
20:19:05 <kcoyle> ack SimonCox
20:19:19 <roba> SimonCo: Report from DCAT WG
20:19:33 <roba> ... working towards 2nd PWD
20:19:59 <roba> ...now a chapter on data quality and descriptions of provenance
20:20:25 <roba> ...Dave Browning now doing editorial cleaning
20:21:11 <roba> ...FPWD was largely 2014 with open issues, 2PWD will address approx half of these
20:21:28 <roba> kcoyle: @dsr needs to be alerted about any dates
20:21:44 <alejandra> Dave Browning will contact Dave Ragget
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20:22:26 <kcoyle> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/323
20:23:32 <roba> topic: Decision required as role of profileDesc in profile guidance
20:23:59 <roba> ...deadline to provide initial documentation, for online discussion for decision by Sept 11
20:24:21 <roba> ... leading to FPWD by TPAC
20:24:37 <roba> * oops
20:24:55 <roba> kcoyle: Decision required as role of profileDesc in profile guidance ...deadline to provide initial documentation, for online discussion for decision by Sept 11
20:25:08 <roba>  ... leading to FPWD by TPAC
20:25:18 <ncar> q+
20:25:35 <kcoyle> ack ncar
20:25:46 <roba> ... like the Services decision for DCAT
20:26:37 <ncar> q+
20:26:49 <kcoyle> ack ncar
20:27:21 <roba> ncar: issues in github tagged according to guidance vs conneg
20:28:11 <ncar> q+
20:28:12 <roba> ... discussion in CWG about scope - that document will have update to clarify scope too
20:28:20 <roba> q+
20:28:35 <kcoyle> ack ncar
20:29:04 <roba> ncar: not all of us cam make F2F
20:30:01 <PWinstanley> s/us cam make/us can make/
20:30:02 <roba> ... report from conneg group - business as usual, working on FPWD scope, meeting again tomorrow
20:30:11 <kcoyle> ack roba
20:31:35 <kcoyle> roba: about the options - 2 ways of looking at decision: 1) look at from profile description 2) how do we handle requirements in profile guidance?
20:31:50 <kcoyle> ... my preference is #2
20:32:28 <kcoyle> ... how to meeting requirements where no alternative is identified
20:32:31 <annette_g> q+
20:32:42 <kcoyle> ack annette_g
20:33:23 <kcoyle> annette_g: is this about thinking about loooking at requirements before solutions?
20:34:11 <kcoyle> roba: the decision is not about profile description within profile guidance document; should be decision about how profile guidance addresses requirements
20:34:52 <kcoyle> action: roba open issue for discussion of how profile guidance addresses requirements
20:34:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-188 - Open issue for discussion of how profile guidance addresses requirements [on Rob Atkinson - due 2018-09-04].
20:34:57 <ncar> q+
20:35:06 <kcoyle> ack ncar
20:35:51 <alejandra> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/profiles/
20:35:59 <alejandra> I think that's the document
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20:36:14 <roba> ncar: first straw man has examples of requirements
20:36:29 <SimonCox> q+
20:36:35 <roba> kcoyle: what is procedure
20:36:38 <roba> q+
20:36:40 <kcoyle> ack SimonCox
20:36:47 <roba> ... for editing document
20:37:11 <alejandra> This is the link to the Github etiquette
20:37:12 <alejandra> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/GitHub_etiquette
20:37:24 <roba> SimonCox: formal procedures only apply to normative artefacts, otherwise normal courtesies
20:37:30 <roba> q+
20:38:03 <alejandra> +q
20:38:27 <kcoyle> ack roba
20:38:40 <alejandra> q-
20:40:22 <roba> roba: as editor this was a first shell, will be discussed and updated via PR within the DCAT guidance WG from now on
20:40:23 <kcoyle> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/238
20:41:32 <ncar> q+
20:41:59 <kcoyle> ack ncar
20:42:19 <roba> ncar: we have skipped agenda items
20:42:54 <roba> ... e.g. can requirements be moved from doc to github
20:43:23 <roba> ... these have now been moved to github and we should now remove from the agenda
20:43:42 <alejandra> +1 to removing the prefix
20:43:52 <roba> ... suggests to remove verbatim workding including "Requirement:" prefix
20:43:55 <roba> +1
20:44:09 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to remove prefix
20:44:25 <ncar> yes
20:44:28 <PWinstanley_> s/workding/wording/
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20:45:01 <kcoyle> roba: use case in issue 238: is about publication of profiles of DCAT and of DCAT-AP
20:45:40 <kcoyle> ... mainly a prior practice, and includes some issues found in other use cases, but this is more DCAT-specific
20:46:34 <annette_g> q+
20:46:39 <kcoyle> ack annette_g
20:47:55 <kcoyle> annette_g: we discussed the use of the word 'inheritance' before, but it's here
20:48:51 <ncar> q+
20:49:01 <kcoyle> roba: it's in a note, so not really important
20:49:08 <kcoyle> ack ncar
20:49:36 <PWinstanley_> +1 to ncar
20:49:44 <kcoyle> ncar: inheritance in programming languages is relevant here
20:49:47 <annette_g> q+
20:49:53 <kcoyle> ack annette_g
20:50:39 <SimonCox> instead of 'inheritance' say 'sub-class' ...
20:50:40 <kcoyle> annette_g: programming languages is not relevant here; because that isn't what we're  trying to do, and we haven't agreed yet
20:50:53 <SimonCox> q+
20:51:20 <roba> q+
20:51:20 <kcoyle> ... this is vocabs not programming languages
20:51:24 <kcoyle> ack SimonCox
20:51:44 <PWinstanley_> but in natural language we bridge lexical gaps with loans from other natural languages
20:51:55 <kcoyle> SimonCox: clearly we are not talking about programming languages; we are talking about subclassing
20:52:30 <kcoyle> ... there is an implication that subclasses conform to their classes
20:52:38 <kcoyle> ack roba
20:52:54 <PWinstanley_> english is full of romantic and germanic roots, and also hindi (sanskrit) loans
20:53:40 <kcoyle> straw poll: remove this sentence regarding Java
20:53:46 <azaroth> +1
20:53:47 <annette_g> +1
20:53:47 <roba> +0
20:53:50 <ncar> -1
20:53:51 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:53:59 <PWinstanley_> +0
20:54:03 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
20:54:06 <SimonCox> +1
20:54:26 <ncar> no, don't bother
20:54:49 <kcoyle> action: roba remove sentence about Java
20:54:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-189 - Remove sentence about java [on Rob Atkinson - due 2018-09-04].
20:55:08 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
20:55:17 <ncar> it was an informal poll
20:55:17 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
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20:55:23 <roba> * action completed
20:55:34 <roba> q+
20:56:09 <kcoyle> proposed: accept use case in issue 238
20:56:10 <SimonCox> +1 azaroth
20:56:30 <roba> * text is in top - kept up to date (i have just updated it)
20:56:35 <roba> +1
20:56:36 <kcoyle> +1
20:56:39 <annette_g> +1
20:56:41 <azaroth> +1
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20:56:44 <PWinstanley_> +1
20:56:44 <alejandra> +1
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20:57:36 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: accept use case described in issue 238, with removal of sentence about Java
20:58:15 <kcoyle> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/239
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20:59:23 <roba> ncar: discussed in conneg group - and the implications are being discussed in solution
21:00:06 <roba> ... document starting to include notes on guidance beyond the IETF
21:00:29 <roba> kcoyle: Has conneg group resolved to accept this yet
21:00:56 <roba> ncar: will make sure its on agenda to do so and report back to the plenary
21:01:17 <alejandra> thanks all, and bye!
21:01:34 <riccardoAlbertoni> thanks, bye !
21:01:35 <annette_g> bye all!
21:01:37 <roba> bye
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