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14:30:23 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Steering Committee Telco
14:30:23 <ivan> Chair: laudrain
14:30:23 <ivan> Date: 2018-08-24
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15:07:21 <ivan> scribenick: Karen_
15:07:28 <ivan> Topic: epubcheck
15:07:51 <Karen_> Tzviya: Luc, Rachel and I met with review committee
15:07:58 <Karen_> ...they made comments which we passed along to SC
15:08:06 <Karen_> ...their recommendation; four proposals from 3 groups
15:08:12 <Karen_> ...DAISY's proposal is strongest
15:08:21 <Karen_> ...Sabarec's proposal also strong
15:08:27 <Karen_> ...suggestion to sub-contract with them
15:08:45 <Karen_> ...amounts of time, industry knowledge, EPUB knowledge, ability to integrate with existing tools and workflows
15:08:55 <Karen_> ...we need to figure out what to do with that
15:09:00 <Karen_> ...George is with DAISY
15:09:02 <laudrain> q?
15:09:02 <liisamk> *Suberic
15:09:16 <Karen_> ...we should announce on 27th August which is Monday
15:09:22 <Karen_> Luc: Any comments on this proposal?
15:09:25 <Karen_> ...or this summary?
15:09:26 <RickJ> q+
15:09:34 <liisamk> q+
15:09:35 <laudrain> ack RickJ
15:09:38 <Karen_> ack RickJ
15:09:41 <ivan> s/Sabarec/Suberic/
15:09:58 <Karen_> RickJ: What do we expect to be in place for governance, especially if we recommend sub-contracting
15:10:08 <Karen_> ...is it the SC that does it, a sub-group, what are our thoughts?
15:10:13 <Karen_> ack Liisamk
15:10:14 <laudrain> ack liisamk
15:10:28 <Karen_> Liisamk: Rick's good question threw me off; want to clarify what we are going to announce
15:10:39 <tzviya> q+
15:10:41 <Rachel> q+
15:10:46 <Karen_> ...do we announce number of people who submitted, share any decision making, or just announce who won it?
15:10:49 <Karen_> ack Tzviya
15:10:57 <Karen_> Tzviya: I would prefer to announce just who won it
15:11:04 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:11:09 <Karen_> ...and leave it up to DAISY to announce whether they sub-contract
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15:11:17 <Karen_> ...not good idea to announce who lost
15:11:28 <Karen_> ...Rick's question is good; we need to figure out oversight, milestones
15:11:31 <laudrain> q+
15:11:36 <Karen_> ...so we need to work with awardee to figure this out
15:11:47 <Karen_> Liisa: Do we tell them that we recommend a subcontract?
15:11:53 <Karen_> Tzviya: who is question to?
15:11:54 <George> q+
15:12:05 <Karen_> Liisa: to you; would you tell Debra that we made that recommendation?
15:12:15 <Karen_> ...although ultimately it's up to DAISY to make her that offer
15:12:25 <Karen_> ...what are we going to tell individually the people who did not get it
15:12:30 <Karen_> ack Tzviya
15:12:47 <Karen_> Tzviya: I know Debra and would she would want to know what happened
15:12:54 <Karen_> ...I would say yes, we should tell her
15:13:00 <Karen_> ...with Evident Point, a polite thank you
15:13:04 <liisamk> +1 to telling Debra
15:13:05 <Karen_> ...unless there are different opinions
15:13:14 <Karen_> ack Rachel
15:13:25 <Karen_> Rachel: was going to say largely what Tzviya said
15:13:30 <Karen_> ...polite note to Evident Point
15:13:40 <Karen_> ...reach out to Debra that her proposal influenced
15:13:45 <Karen_> ...but ultimately chose DAISY
15:14:00 <Karen_> ...and leave it up to DAISY if they reach out to Suberic; a recommendation not a requirement
15:14:15 <Karen_> ...seems we are forcing their hand to tell a vendor to reach out to them
15:14:19 <Karen_> ack BillK
15:14:20 <laudrain> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:14:34 <Karen_> BillK: ultimately it's DAISY's decision on sub-contracting
15:14:43 <Karen_> ...but also remind folks we said that the SC would evaluate proposals
15:14:50 <Karen_> ...but the BG as a whole would approve the selection
15:15:02 <liisamk> q+
15:15:04 <Karen_> ...in which case the announcement should not be made before Tuesday [when BG meets]
15:15:12 <Karen_> Luc: yes, that is a real next meeting on Asian time
15:15:16 <Karen_> ...could be announced there
15:15:27 <Rachel> q+
15:15:28 <Karen_> ...My position is we respond individually to Suberic and Evident Point
15:15:38 <ivan> ack laudrain
15:15:39 <Karen_> ...and announce to Pub BG that DAISY has been chosen
15:15:44 <tzviya> i recall saying that this decision should be exclusively with the SC
15:15:47 <Karen_> ...this will have better momentum to go onto next steps
15:15:48 <laudrain> q?
15:15:53 <Karen_> ack Luc
15:15:56 <laudrain> ack George
15:15:57 <Karen_> ack George
15:16:11 <Karen_> George: I am concerned about conflict of interest; I will abstain on voting
15:16:13 <Rachel> I also recall the decision living with the SC
15:16:15 <Karen_> ...I spoke with Richard and Avnish
15:16:20 <laudrain> q+
15:16:24 <tzviya> s/Avnish/Avneesh
15:16:24 <Rachel> s/Avnish/Avneesh
15:16:28 <Karen_> ...we think that having more programmers and coders knowledgeable about EPUB Check helps
15:16:38 <Karen_> ...in the stability of the software
15:16:45 <Bill_Kasdorf> yes the decision was with the SC but the BG was to approve that decision. I'm quite sure that's what the minutes say.
15:16:50 <Karen_> ...DAISY is willing to explore bringing on Suberic as part of the team
15:16:56 <Karen_> ...it would be a percentage
15:17:09 <Karen_> ...we would add a percentage of their time; I think there are two people there
15:17:14 <Karen_> ...that is something we would be willing to explore
15:17:18 <Karen_> ack Liisamk
15:17:30 <Karen_> Liisa: I want to go back to a point of order on how we engage the BG
15:17:37 <Karen_> ...cannot announce without having brought to them first
15:17:47 <Karen_> ...and question of is this is something we can do on the call on Tuesday
15:17:59 <Karen_> ...would you be open to write up for the BG to get feedback over weekend and Monday
15:18:08 <Karen_> ...and finalize Tuesday night and announce on Wednesday
15:18:10 <Karen_> Luc: Good idea
15:18:12 <Karen_> ack Rachel
15:18:23 <Karen_> Rachel: I want to add and echo what Tzviya put in the notes
15:18:31 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:18:34 <Karen_> ...I don't recall leaving the decision with the BG; but with the SC
15:18:48 <Karen_> ...and SC would take decision of group analyzing the proposals and decide to accept or reject
15:18:57 <RickJ> q+
15:18:58 <Karen_> ...I don't recall that the decision would go to the BG to vote on
15:19:02 <Karen_> ack BillK
15:19:08 <Karen_> Bill: no question that SC was to make the decision
15:19:26 <RickJ> q-
15:19:30 <Karen_> ...but I'm pretty sure we said we would get BG decision as matter of protocol
15:19:37 <liisamk> q+
15:19:43 <Karen_> ...not to ask for input since decision is final now
15:19:50 <Karen_> ...I think minutes will say that
15:19:58 <Karen_> Luc: We need to explore minutes before Tuesday
15:20:15 <Karen_> ...I agree that SC has taken the decision to mandate to DAISY Consortium; decision has been taken
15:20:19 <Karen_> BillK: I agree
15:20:27 <Karen_> Luc: In terms of protocol, we should expose this to the BG
15:20:34 <Karen_> ...why or how decision has been taken
15:20:46 <liisamk> q-
15:20:46 <Karen_> ...I would like to come back to Rick's question on governance
15:20:54 <Karen_> ...some people or instance
15:21:06 <Karen_> ...should survey, give orders, see that the job is done on time?
15:21:11 <Karen_> ack RickJ
15:21:12 <laudrain> ack laudrain
15:21:20 <Bill_Kasdorf> q-
15:21:20 <Karen_> RickJ: My thoughts were fairly pragmatic
15:21:23 <Karen_> ...we'll have milestones
15:21:34 <Karen_> ...someone will need to receive reports from company awarded
15:21:44 <Karen_> ...if milestone is missed, who resets deadlines
15:21:47 <Rachel> q+
15:21:49 <Karen_> ...pragmatic governance things
15:21:53 <Karen_> ...and acceptance at the end
15:21:55 <laudrain> ack Rachel
15:21:58 <Karen_> ack Rachel
15:22:07 <Karen_> Rachel: Good question; do you have a suggestion for solution?
15:22:10 <Karen_> Luc: Rick?
15:22:14 <laudrain> q+
15:22:25 <George> There will also be decision to be made during the project.
15:22:30 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to oversight subcommittee
15:22:33 <liisamk> +1 to a subcommittee
15:22:33 <Karen_> RickJ: Either the SC as a whole, although that gets cumbersome; or we appoint someone
15:22:39 <Karen_> Luc: We could call that a TF
15:22:42 <Karen_> ...part of SC
15:22:50 <Karen_> ...one, two or three persons who figures out what the milestones are
15:23:02 <Karen_> ...and check if deliverables are ready at the milestones
15:23:07 <Karen_> ...and this is tied to the funding
15:23:16 <Karen_> ...milestones are also points for payment
15:23:18 <Rachel> q+
15:23:24 <laudrain> ack laudrain
15:23:28 <Karen_> ...would be green light to pay developers for the job they have done
15:23:30 <Karen_> ack Rachel
15:23:52 <Karen_> Rachel: My next question to this group as a whole; do we have any volunteers for that task force and to map out the milestones?
15:23:55 <Karen_> Luc: I volunteer
15:23:59 <Karen_> Rachel: awesome
15:24:00 <liisamk> +1 to Luc!
15:24:08 <Karen_> Luc: It's related to EPUB Roadmap TF
15:24:16 <tzviya> q+
15:24:17 <Karen_> ...only thing is I am not available for the next month
15:24:27 <Karen_> ...I was at office the whole summer and will finally take vacations
15:24:35 <Karen_> ...and also the workshop in Tokyo
15:24:41 <Karen_> ...from 24 September
15:24:47 <Karen_> ack Tzviya
15:24:56 <laudrain> ack tzviya
15:24:59 <ivan> q+ on looking at the minutes for the announcements
15:25:02 <Karen_> Tzviya: I am happy to get it started and hand off to you
15:25:11 <Karen_> Luc: Let's have first steps to announce company chosen
15:25:14 <Karen_> ...kick off project
15:25:32 <liisamk> q+
15:25:34 <Karen_> ...start time, start date when this kick-off, milestones; future dates for deliverables
15:25:38 <George> q+
15:25:45 <Karen_> ...I am happy Tzviya if you could keep on board for kick-off
15:25:48 <Karen_> ...and I will take the rest
15:25:49 <Karen_> ack IVan
15:25:49 <Zakim> ivan, you wanted to comment on looking at the minutes for the announcements
15:25:54 <Karen_> Ivan: on a previous issue
15:26:00 <Karen_> ...I will do it later
15:26:09 <Karen_> Liisa: go ahead, Ivan
15:26:12 <ivan> https://w3c.github.io/publ-bg/Steering_Committee/Meetings/
15:26:13 <Karen_> Ivan: I looked at the SC minutes
15:26:21 <Karen_> ...there is one not on this list when I was on vacation
15:26:35 <Karen_> ...at first glance, I did not see any reference to what the role of the BG would be in this decision
15:26:52 <Karen_> ...but maybe someone wants to look again; I don't see anything definitive on that
15:27:09 <Karen_> Luc: I would not think it is very interesting to have a new discussion inside the global BG
15:27:25 <Karen_> ...my opinion is we have done our job and propose/expose the decision
15:27:31 <Karen_> Ivan: I tend to agree with that
15:27:32 <Bill_Kasdorf> right, we never wanted discussion after the SC made the decision
15:27:35 <RickJ> +1
15:27:38 <Karen_> Luc: Other co-chairs; any objections on that point?
15:27:41 <laudrain> q?
15:27:43 <Karen_> ack Liisamk
15:27:52 <Karen_> Liisamk:I agree we should announce
15:28:14 <Karen_> ...maybe it's for the Pub BG to look at short-term requirements and make sure we have addressed everything as we hand off
15:28:24 <Karen_> ...just in case anything is missing, we capture it as the work gets started
15:28:30 <Karen_> Luc: Good, that should be inside
15:28:32 <Karen_> q+
15:28:35 <laudrain> ack George
15:28:36 <Karen_> ack George
15:28:45 <Karen_> ...The group that is going to be managing the work
15:28:54 <Karen_> ...that would also be the group that figures out the terms in the contract?
15:29:05 <Karen_> ...the negotiations with DAISY, milestones, deliverables and payments
15:29:18 <Karen_> Luc: Yes, there will be something about contracts, so some legal points, you mean?
15:29:20 <Karen_> George: yes
15:29:22 <tzviya> q+
15:29:24 <Rachel> +1 to task force also working through negotiations and milestones
15:29:28 <Karen_> ...is this an MoU, a contract
15:29:31 <Karen_> ...not sure of form
15:29:35 <Karen_> ...DAISY is flexible
15:29:47 <Karen_> Luc: Tzviya, it is on your part at the very beginning
15:29:49 <liisamk> +1 to TF working through negotiations as well
15:30:02 <Karen_> Tzviya: We do need to have a discussion about the fund raising
15:30:07 <Karen_> q-
15:30:18 <Karen_> ...We discovered as George warned us...and we should have listened
15:30:27 <Karen_> ...the W3C has a significant overage that we cannot work with
15:30:33 <Karen_> ...EDRLab does not have experience
15:30:46 <Karen_> ...If DAISY does fundraising and the work is a bit fishy
15:30:51 <Karen_> ...I don't know much about contracts
15:31:00 <Karen_> ...we would have a master service agreement and an SOW of the work
15:31:08 <Karen_> ...I don't think DAISY would do that with itself
15:31:21 <Karen_> George: We need to separate the contract from the fundraising
15:31:26 <Karen_> ...we envision money in, money out
15:31:36 <liisamk> q+
15:31:40 <tzviya> q-
15:31:41 <Karen_> ...how we have done in past with other organizations like braille group
15:31:47 <laudrain> ack liisamk
15:32:02 <Karen_> Liisamk: What we have to be most careful about money in/money out with money going back to DAISY
15:32:15 <Karen_> ...we need some legal opinion or tax opinion on the best way to do this
15:32:20 <Karen_> ...whether W3C does help in some way
15:32:28 <laudrain> q+
15:32:30 <Karen_> ...if DAISY does both of them; or if a transfer comes back
15:32:38 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:32:41 <Karen_> ...what you said yesterday about DAISY handling them is awesome
15:32:48 <Karen_> ...just make sure the money out side is taken care of
15:33:02 <Karen_> George: and authorization from this body to make the payment to the contractor, which happens to be the same org
15:33:08 <Karen_> Luc: Do we have a plan B
15:33:24 <Karen_> ...some organization as skilled as DAISY with international funding and payments that would be able to play the role?
15:33:33 <Karen_> ...Is W3C able to do that?
15:33:48 <Karen_> Tzviya: For W3C, we would need to pay 35% or a similar amount to one of the other hosts
15:34:00 <Karen_> ...Bill, you might know answer whether BISG has ever done anything like this
15:34:04 <Karen_> ack BillK
15:34:07 <laudrain> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:34:32 <Karen_> BillK: I think organizations making contributions will need to know if their contributions are tax deductible so to Liisa's point, we need professional counsel on this
15:34:41 <RickJ> q+
15:34:41 <Karen_> ...So I can ask Brian [O'Leary}
15:34:49 <Karen_> Luc: We need some internal structure
15:34:50 <ivan> ack laudrain
15:35:00 <Bill_Kasdorf> s/internal/international
15:35:05 <Karen_> ...I don't know if EDiTeur has sub-contractors; we should ask Graham
15:35:07 <laudrain> ack RickJ
15:35:07 <Karen_> ack RickJ
15:35:15 <Karen_> RickJ: seems we have had a conversation with Brian
15:35:26 <Karen_> ...they are US focused and challenged to set up international donations
15:35:35 <Karen_> BillK: why Editeur is a more likely candidate
15:35:41 <Karen_> Luc: we also have the Readium foundation
15:35:50 <Karen_> ...can that be used? They are in our ecosystem
15:36:05 <Karen_> Liisa: I think Readium has had trouble collecting their own bills to be blunt
15:36:12 <tzviya> q+
15:36:16 <Karen_> Luc: We talked about EDRLab, but they are not used to fund raising
15:36:23 <Karen_> ...and it would be in Euros and may be difficult
15:36:27 <Karen_> ack Tzviya
15:36:29 <ivan> ack tzviya
15:36:38 <Karen_> Tzviya: Since DAISY has experience
15:36:53 <Karen_> ...I think we should talk with whomever we need to talk to at DAISY before we talk to others in other orgs
15:37:04 <Karen_> ...George, if you can put me in touch with the right people
15:37:06 <Karen_> George: Sure
15:37:08 <laudrain> q?
15:37:11 <Karen_> Luc: Let's start with that proposal
15:37:22 <Karen_> ...does not answer Rick's question completely about governance
15:37:29 <Karen_> ...we will have this SC Task Force about that
15:37:44 <Karen_> ...Rick, ok for TF to govern project?
15:37:54 <Karen_> RickJ: yes, that would be my recommendation
15:37:59 <Karen_> Luc: So topic about the fundraising
15:38:03 <Karen_> ...where are we today?
15:38:14 <Karen_> ...Rachel, you have the information about that?
15:38:21 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:38:23 <Karen_> Tzviya: We need to talk with DAISY about setting it up
15:38:31 <Karen_> ...if W3C, we have the amount for the host
15:38:42 <Karen_> Rachel: We need a place to host and a plan on how that money is stored
15:38:57 <Karen_> Luc: this needs to be checked with DAISY in future days and shared with SC
15:38:57 <laudrain> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:38:59 <Karen_> ack BillK
15:39:12 <George> q+
15:39:15 <Karen_> Bill: also make the point to do the fundraising, host the site and getting activity is separate from the money handling
15:39:27 <Karen_> ...likely we should find a place to host the announcement and get the fundraising going
15:39:29 <tzviya> q+
15:39:42 <laudrain> ack George
15:39:44 <Karen_> ...as soon as someone comes forward with money to contribute, we need a place to receive the money
15:40:07 <Karen_> George: the fundraising responsibility seems like the responsibility of the Pub BG
15:40:18 <Karen_> ...I was thinking publishing at W3C would be a good place for that
15:40:23 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to Publishing@W3C for the web hosting
15:40:24 <Karen_> ...and whatever asks we put out to the community
15:40:30 <Karen_> ...whether blogs or emails or updates
15:40:33 <Karen_> ...would go through that
15:40:45 <Karen_> ...but I was not thinking that DAISY would be driving a fundraising campaign
15:41:07 <Karen_> Liisamk: I don't think any of us thought DAISY would drive the fundraising
15:41:15 <laudrain> ack tzviya
15:41:22 <Karen_> Bill: just handling the receipt of funds
15:41:29 <Karen_> Tzviya: We have copy for the tiers of funding
15:41:35 <Karen_> ...we have some commitments
15:41:41 <Karen_> ...W3C team has said they will host web site
15:41:48 <Karen_> ...but we need a button to click for where the money goes
15:41:52 <laudrain> q+
15:41:57 <Karen_> ...like Bill said, they are separate
15:42:07 <Karen_> ...different processes for payment and invoicing
15:42:18 <Karen_> Luc: If W3C takes the web site hosting, who does that?
15:42:23 <Karen_> Tzviya: We need to figure that out now
15:42:25 <ivan> q+
15:42:29 <Karen_> ack Ivan
15:42:29 <ivan> ack laudrain
15:42:39 <Karen_> Ivan: I am happy to put up any content you give me
15:42:57 <Karen_> ...I am not the authority for that, but at a minimum using the W3C Publishing blog is doable
15:43:04 <Karen_> ...but better to use the W3C central blog
15:43:14 <Karen_> ...something Coralie [Mercier, head of comm] needs to say
15:43:19 <Karen_> ...my bosses are here to comment
15:43:28 <Karen_> ...I am happy to do the practicalities but I need the content
15:43:29 <laudrain> q?
15:43:32 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:43:34 <liisamk> q+
15:43:38 <Karen_> Luc: Rachel, you said we have the wording
15:43:48 <Karen_> Rachel: yes, there is a Google doc that many people contributed to
15:43:56 <Karen_> Luc: So we can start to set up this web site?
15:44:03 <Ralph> [Ralph concurs with what Ivan stated]
15:44:06 <Karen_> Tzviya: not web site yet, we need info on where the money goes
15:44:15 <Karen_> ...we cannot set up until we are ready to receive the money
15:44:29 <Karen_> ...would be a frustrating experience to not be able to pay
15:44:40 <Karen_> Ivan: not necessarily a separate web site, but a web page
15:44:51 <Karen_> Luc: We can start to work on this page and not make it public; share it among us with SC
15:44:59 <Karen_> ...we have to in parallel work on the button
15:45:08 <Karen_> ...and what is behind the button, do this in parallel
15:45:15 <Karen_> ...and then release the URL to this web page
15:45:24 <Karen_> ...and work in parallel with these pages
15:45:32 <Karen_> Ivan: Who will give me the content?
15:45:40 <Karen_> Tzviya: We have the Google doc we have all agreed on
15:45:49 <Karen_> ...if you can take this over, you can talk to Coralie?
15:45:59 <Rachel> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Wp_fRMd4aM_73K_bhajIybT-AFOzW_eVC5OHuBlR5iw/edit
15:46:02 <Karen_> Ivan: next week, there are several days when Coralie is on a meeting with travel
15:46:10 <Karen_> Ralph: Likely I can find some F2F time with Coralie next week
15:46:14 <Karen_> Ivan: ok
15:46:19 <Karen_> Luc: Ok, we have some kind of a plan
15:46:20 <liisamk> q-
15:46:24 <Karen_> ...we have some steps
15:46:31 <Karen_> ...Can we move onto other topics
15:46:36 <Karen_> ack BIllK
15:46:38 <laudrain> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:46:39 <tzviya> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Wp_fRMd4aM_73K_bhajIybT-AFOzW_eVC5OHuBlR5iw/edit?usp=sharing
15:46:55 <Karen_> BillK: I want to point off it all these ducks are in a row when we go public
15:47:00 <liisamk> q+ to BIll's suggestion
15:47:08 <Karen_> ...but it's also possible for an org to make a pledge before everything is in place; that is also common
15:47:13 <Karen_> ack Liisamk
15:47:13 <Zakim> liisamk, you wanted to BIll's suggestion
15:47:19 <Karen_> Liisamk: I also wanted to say that
15:47:40 <Karen_> ...if figuring out the web site for fundraising and logging in, we could just have a link for people to sign up for commitments
15:47:49 <Karen_> ...and then follow up with them when we have the tech to do so
15:47:58 <Karen_> Luc: a second page behind this commitments page?
15:48:02 <Karen_> Ivan: I have to think about it
15:48:24 <Karen_> Liisamk: We are not asking for identifying informaiton
15:48:27 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:48:29 <Karen_> s/information
15:48:34 <Karen_> Ivan: It can be writable
15:48:40 <Karen_> ...next week, not this week
15:48:52 <Karen_> Luc: We have to clarify in parallel question of funding and payments with DAISY
15:49:01 <Karen_> ...ok, let's move on to other topics
15:49:08 <Karen_> ...several other topics; we cannot cover all of them
15:49:11 <Karen_> ...is there an urgent one?
15:49:21 <Karen_> ...Discussions with EPUB and Mozilla
15:49:23 <liisamk> q+
15:49:35 <Karen_> ...and Liisa had topic on next steps of TPI memberships
15:49:40 <Karen_> ...next publishing champion
15:49:44 <Bill_Kasdorf> I was going to point out that if we don't want the W3C to be handling the money it may actually be best for the website to collect pledges and then follow up separately on the actual financial transactions
15:49:46 <Karen_> ...and a possible conference in 2019
15:49:53 <Karen_> ...and George you wanted to talk about ISO
15:49:56 <laudrain> q?
15:50:00 <Karen_> ...Do you have any preference?
15:50:03 <Karen_> ack BillK
15:50:09 <Karen_> Bill: I put my comments in the irc
15:50:12 <laudrain> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:50:25 <laudrain> ack liisamk
15:50:27 <Karen_> ...If we don't want W3C to handle money, might be good to have transaction separated from web site
15:50:31 <Karen_> ack Liisamk
15:50:38 <Karen_> Liisamk: Two topics
15:50:46 <Karen_> ...any topics for Tuesday meeting in Asian time
15:50:58 <Karen_> ...and anything we'd like to say to Jeff about our needs for a Publishing Champion
15:51:06 <Karen_> Luc: Agenda for next [Pub BG] call
15:51:12 <Karen_> ...question of EPUB Check
15:51:21 <Karen_> George: meetings for ISO are Sept. 12
15:51:32 <Karen_> ...So Makoto will state that these things are on the agenda; just a report to the group
15:51:36 <Karen_> Luc: that is a good idea
15:51:50 <Karen_> ...it's an Asian concern, so good idea to put on the agenda for the next call
15:52:07 <Karen_> ...more items for the next [Pub BG] call agenda?
15:52:16 <Karen_> Liisamk: And we should talk about the EPUB Check requiremetns
15:52:29 <Karen_> Luc: yes, the questions about whether there are some recently discovered issues?
15:52:31 <Karen_> Liisa: yes
15:52:41 <Karen_> Luc: This should be part of EPUB Check items
15:52:56 <Karen_> ...I am not available to prepare the agenda, so I leave it to you, Rick or Liisa to send it
15:53:05 <Karen_> ...and do you want EPUB documents?
15:53:07 <Karen_> Tzviya: no
15:53:18 <Karen_> ...Rachel, Dave [Cramer] and I have been speaking on that
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15:53:23 <Karen_> ...want to have a discussion with this group first
15:53:31 <Karen_> ...and discuss before bringing to the BG
15:53:44 <ivan> Topic: publishing champion
15:53:48 <Karen_> Luc: next item to discuss is publishing champions
15:53:49 <jyoshii> present+
15:53:55 <Karen_> ...what is the news from W3C management?
15:53:57 <Karen_> ack Jeff
15:54:04 <laudrain> q?
15:54:10 <Karen_> Jeff: Most of you are aware that Bill McCoy left W3C about a month ago
15:54:26 <Karen_> ...We first looked internally for a champion; discussed with several internal candidates
15:54:32 <Karen_> ...but most are quite busy with their day jobs
15:54:55 <Karen_> ...and not able to have the full attention that I would like to see the champion spending
15:55:03 <Karen_> ...I was in NYC and met with some people and got some input
15:55:12 <Karen_> ...need to get additional input
15:55:39 <Karen_> ...Suffice it to say, that if anyone has ideas on who should be the next champion of publishing at W3C; some people said maybe we don't need one
15:55:49 <Karen_> ...So please send me emails with your thoughts
15:55:53 <Karen_> ...I see it as a one quarter time job
15:55:57 <Karen_> ...what we should be doing
15:56:19 <Karen_> ...Ivan on technical; Karen on busdev: Ralph on architecture; Judy on access.; so could be someone who consults
15:56:37 <laudrain> q?
15:56:45 <Karen_> ...someone who is well liked, knowledgeable, understands industry, has contacts and insights
15:56:56 <Karen_> ...happy to leave it at that for now unless others want to queue up
15:57:00 <Karen_> Luc: Any comments?
15:57:03 <Karen_> ...Thank you, Jeff
15:57:20 <Karen_> Jeff: the question of who it should be is a personnel topic, so I would not expect nominations on this call
15:57:30 <Karen_> ...so feel free to send me input via email at Jeff@w3.org
15:57:38 <Karen_> Luc: There is another item about TPI member transition
15:57:48 <Karen_> ...is that related to the question of championship?
15:57:55 <Karen_> Tzviya: That was Liisa's question
15:58:10 <jeff> q+ to comment on TPI transition
15:58:13 <Karen_> Liisa: We as an SC have a significant role to help Karen and others at W3C to help working this
15:58:23 <Karen_> ...does any of this have a grid of everyone we had in IDPF membership
15:58:30 <Karen_> ...where those people landed in TPI land?
15:58:36 <Karen_> ...make sure that they at least join the BG moving forward
15:58:49 <Karen_> ...I had conversations that they never really got through that TPI membership
15:58:57 <Karen_> ...Bill was focused on collecting the back IDPF fees
15:59:08 <Karen_> ...and did not get the get involved with the TPI membership
15:59:14 <Karen_> ...so some people did not see anything
15:59:20 <Karen_> ...Is there a grid?
15:59:24 <laudrain> ack jeff
15:59:24 <Zakim> jeff, you wanted to comment on TPI transition
15:59:24 <Karen_> ...Did Bill have a grid?
15:59:26 <Karen_> ack Jeff
15:59:36 <Karen_> Jeff: on the team we definitely have a listing of all the TPI members
15:59:56 <Karen_> ...the team is responsible for chasing them, and Liisa, I appreciate your raising this to the SC. We need a lot of help
16:00:05 <Karen_> ...the ones on SC, leadership who gets what we are trying to do
16:00:18 <Karen_> ...help with transitioning from TPI to BG or regular membership
16:00:32 <Karen_> ...but after a year or more of not getting the story across, we have some work to do
16:00:45 <Karen_> ...starts with value prop on why people should want to be part of this organization
16:00:49 <George> q+
16:00:59 <Karen_> ...SC can help me so I appreciate your raising this issue, Liisa
16:01:05 <laudrain> ack Ralph
16:01:07 <Karen_> ack Ralph
16:01:14 <Karen_> Ralph: yes, we do have records
16:01:31 <Karen_> ...of the full set if IDPF members who were eligible and the full set who chose to participate
16:01:42 <Karen_> ...some were eligible but we never heard from them
16:01:45 <Karen_> ack George
16:01:55 <Karen_> George: in addition to convert some of the older folks
16:02:08 <Karen_> ...a campaign to bring in new blood to BG would be really interesting
16:02:23 <Karen_> ...part of ongoing promotion of publishing at W3C
16:02:32 <Karen_> ...if we can get that ironed out and not lose people we have got
16:02:36 <Karen_> Luc: That is end of the hour
16:03:01 <Karen_> ...We have this call on Pub BG on Tuesday; as I said I will not be available for the next three weeks
16:03:10 <Karen_> George: that call is 23UTC, right?
16:03:12 <Karen_> Luc: Yes
16:03:19 <Karen_> Liisamk: I will send out the agenda for that call
16:03:27 <Karen_> ...hopefully someone else can help me run it
16:03:34 <Karen_> Tzviya: chance I may be late
16:03:47 <Karen_> Liisamk: I cannot run the irc as I will be in a car
16:03:55 <Karen_> Tzviya: I will do everything I can to be there
16:03:59 <RickJ> I will be there
16:04:00 <Karen_> Luc: Rick, will you be there?
16:04:07 <Karen_> Liisamk: thanks all
16:04:09 <Karen_> Luc: thank you all
16:04:12 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:04:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/08/24-pbgsc-minutes.html ivan
16:04:12 <ivan> zakim, bye
16:04:12 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
16:04:12 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
16:04:12 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been George, ivan, daihei, RickJ, luc, tzviya, BillK, jyoshii, karen, Rachel, jeff, Bill_Kasdorf
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