08:30:31 RRSAgent has joined #dxwgdcat 08:30:31 logging to https://www.w3.org/2018/08/23-dxwgdcat-irc 08:30:46 rrsagent, make logs public 08:31:01 meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup 08:31:08 chair: DaveBrowning 08:31:16 present+ 08:31:31 present+ 08:31:40 meeting: DCAT team 2018-08-23 08:32:06 regrets+ Alasdair Gray (ongoing), Erik Mannens (ongoing), Thomas D'Haenens (ongoing), Lars Svensson (ongoing), Andrea 08:33:03 Makx has joined #dxwgdcat 08:35:29 rrsagent, create minutes v2 08:35:29 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/08/23-dxwgdcat-minutes.html PWinstanley 08:36:20 present+ 08:37:57 Topic: Admin 08:42:07 DaveBrowning: although not quorate, I'd like to discuss release 08:42:25 scribenick: PWinstanley 08:42:56 DaveBrowning: in today's potential agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.08.23 08:43:22 ... we are making progress with the milestone doc 08:43:48 ... but we have issues with coherence of the doc. I need guidance with issue #320 08:43:51 raised https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/320 08:44:45 ... What do we want to do for the 2nd PWD 08:44:49 DaveBrowning: I added this to the milestone but need to know the release steps and procedure, esp relating to keeping links live 08:44:56 ... How do we do the release? 08:45:39 alejandra has joined #dxwgdcat 08:45:55 SimonCox: it was handled by DaveR who did some minor editorial changes outside of github and therefore outwith the vc system 08:46:21 ... it wasn't spotted until after we'd made changes, so it was too difficult to fix 08:46:43 DaveBrowning: I will talk to DaveR and lead on the editorial and release tidying up 08:47:08 SimonCox: I think you've been restrained, so be bolder 08:47:30 DaveBrowning: will do. 08:47:44 regrets+ RobAtkinson 08:48:07 present+ 08:49:24 DaveBrowning: the second draft will replace the first, rather than sitting side by side 08:49:30 rrsagent, draft minutes v2 08:49:30 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/08/23-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBrowning 08:49:49 https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-dcat-2/ 08:49:51 SimonCox: the latest published version of the editor's draft is missing a link back to the first 08:49:54 q+ 08:50:44 q- 08:50:48 DaveBrowning: the W3C version control will link to the previous version, but will clarify with DaveR 08:51:33 q? 08:52:11 alejandra: we need to ensure the links in examples are live before publication. they got broken last time and needed repairing 08:52:59 https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/320 08:54:20 topic: Milestone status 08:54:22 DaveBrowning: can we talk through the milestone for 2nd draft? we need to assess 08:54:23 https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22DCAT+Second+Public+Working+Draft%22 08:54:33 https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/13 08:55:35 It'd be good to assign people to issues 08:56:04 DaveBrowning: action: DaveBrowning to deal with issue #320 08:57:45 alejandra: the issue on size to include the unit - 08:57:53 ... #313 08:58:50 ... I think that requires more discussion. Andrea had an alternative view that makes the representation more complex, but needs discussion 08:59:55 ... we are close to closing the data citation issue 09:00:58 SimonCox: in the basic example, in the current doc, [s5], there is an example where byteSize is included. we maybe need examples for approximate values 09:01:25 ... it is a suggestion made in the last part of #313 09:02:16 rrsagent, draft minutes v2 09:02:16 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/08/23-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBrowning 09:02:54 I assigned the issue to me anyway 09:03:43 action DaveBrowning to take care of issue https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/320 09:03:43 Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel. 09:04:13 action alejandra to take care of issue https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/313 09:04:13 Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel. 09:05:03 DaveBrowning: with https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/300 thanks to SimonCox for providing content for this 09:05:14 ... the proposed text looks good 09:06:07 ... the sugggestions by Jakub and alejandra are helpful too. this feels to me like it has to go at the start of section 5, 09:06:49 SimonCox: but are we recommending this approach? 09:06:57 ... we need to show that we are applying good practice developed elsewhere for the way we illustrate 09:07:13 ... blank nodes are used for distribution descriptions 09:07:35 ... It is hard for us to make a strong recommendation as it is counter to current practice 09:07:43 +q 09:07:45 ... "should" rather than "must"? 09:08:05 present+ Makx 09:08:41 DaveBrowning: the issue doesn't reflect all the thinking, so we need to review and discuss proposed changes in a larger group 09:08:52 Q? 09:08:57 ack alejandra 09:10:07 alejandra: I think "should" because there are uses cases for blank nodes, but it is worth making a comment on the issue within the document, but it shouldn't be normative 09:10:33 DaveBrowning: I will update the issue #300 09:10:47 ... to reflect that it is "should" and not "must" 09:11:04 ... and to ask for opinions so that we can follow up next week 09:12:02 DaveBrowning: I don't think that #292 or #259 have been looked at recently 09:12:29 ... #110 will close when we have the byteSize completed 09:13:05 +q 09:13:13 ack ale 09:13:56 alejandra: on dereferencible identifiers, I think it is worth bringing it back as data citation depends on it. We could relate to adms:Identifier 09:14:23 ... we need to refresh minds on what was discussed and sort it as it is quite important 09:14:44 DaveBrowning: we need to clarify for the second working draft 09:15:37 SimonCox: there is an identifier issue within Research Data Alliance (RDA) discussions. 09:16:04 Makx_ has joined #dxwgdcat 09:16:05 ... we have similar interests re: versioning etc 09:17:57 ... Since we are looking at the assignment of tasks I think we need to get someone to lead in the versioning area 09:18:05 DaveBrowning: I'm interested 09:18:17 me too 09:18:41 DaveBrowning: but it will take time to do anything in the short term. 09:19:09 SimonCox: RDA are looking at international data week (gaberone) for a meeting 09:20:00 ... http://internationaldataweek.org/ 09:20:15 ... 5-8 NOVEMBER 2018 09:20:21 Week starting 2018-11-05 09:21:27 DaveBrowning: I think that we need a small group to get a story together for the whole plenary - we need to make sense of the requirements and determine the level of detail in which we want to deal with this. The answer "you do it in the profile" isn't necesarily helpful 09:21:42 q+ 09:21:46 q-\ 09:21:49 q- 09:22:31 SimonCox: attention was brought to the Prov approach when we last discussed this, but we will probably just provide some patterns and sources of good practice 09:22:46 Makx has joined #dxwgdcat 09:23:16 DaveBrowning: I agree 09:23:23 ... there are so many different scenarios that it is impossible to cover all bases within a 'recommendation', but we can give pointers to good practice 09:24:12 ... we need to choose the examples well so that we get across the point that it is a complicated area, but there are some common patterns 09:24:30 SimonCox: my colleagues have 4 patterns. we want to find which meld well with the recommendation we are making on DCAT 09:24:56 q? 09:26:18 DaveBrowning: I'll organise the effort on this - a note to the whole group providing information, I don't want a separate group but I want to elicit interest 09:26:25 I am happy to contribute 09:27:24 last 3 mins 09:27:46 action DaveBrowning to organise discussion on versioning 09:27:46 Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel. 09:28:41 rrsagent, draft minutes v2 09:28:41 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/08/23-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBrowning 09:28:43 rrsagent, create minutes v2 09:28:43 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/08/23-dxwgdcat-minutes.html PWinstanley 09:28:44 All good thanks DaveBrowning 09:29:00 bye then 09:29:01 bye 09:29:04 bye then 11:55:23 Zakim has left #dxwgdcat