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08:30:50 <PWinstanley> chair: DaveBrowning
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08:32:16 <PWinstanley> regrest+RiccardoAlbertoni, Nick Car, Simon Cox, Alejandra Gonzalez-Beltran
08:32:28 <DaveBrowning> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
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08:32:49 <PWinstanley> regrest+ RiccardoAlbertoni, Nick Car, Simon Cox, Alejandra Gonzalez-Beltran
08:33:04 <DaveBrowning> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.06.21
08:33:15 <DaveBrowning> meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference 21 June 2018 8:30 UTC
08:33:39 <DaveBrowning> s/regrest/regrets/
08:41:25 <PWinstanley> topic: publicity of FPWD
08:42:05 <stijn_goedertier_AIV> present+
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08:42:17 <PWinstanley> stijn_goedertier_AIV: has presented the DCAT FPWD to the recent OGC meeting.  There was discussion about whether any new DCT would be mapped to the new ISO standard
08:42:19 <AndreaPerego> present+ AndreaPerego
08:42:25 <PWinstanley> present+
08:43:29 <DaveBrowning> topic: Approve minutes from last meeting
08:43:33 <AndreaPerego> 0 (was not there)
08:43:42 <stijn_goedertier_AIV> 0 (was not there)
08:43:53 <DaveBrowning> (not there)
08:44:12 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: given that we have few people in the meeting we will start with the discussion of the publicity of the FPWD
08:44:34 <PWinstanley> ... but will defer other discussions to the next meeting
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08:45:26 <AndreaPerego> meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference
08:45:43 <DaveBrowning> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
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08:47:13 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.06.21
08:47:20 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
08:47:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/06/21-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
08:47:42 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: we need to have a positioning statement that spells out how our revised DCAT fits into the cataloguing world and what its benefits are
08:48:23 <PWinstanley> ...The way that we are desigining DCAT gives is a position between schema.org and at the other end of the spectrum things like the ISO geospatial standards
08:48:59 <AndreaPerego> q+
08:49:16 <PWinstanley> ... I am not aware of us putting this story together, something that shows the ecosystem.  Perhaps we need to explain that DCAT is not a direct competitor with these other extremes
08:49:19 <DaveBrowning> ack andr
08:49:25 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
08:50:02 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: I think that we can tell the story.  The  use of DCAT / DCAT-AP was to provide cross-platform, cross-domain metadata harvesting
08:51:13 <stijn_goedertier_AIV> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/223
08:51:18 <stijn_goedertier_AIV> q+
08:51:38 <PWinstanley> ... In the public sector there are catalogues coming from all sectors - there is a need to consistently map the standards for these systems into one for simple harvesting across administrartions
08:52:19 <PWinstanley> ... At the government level there was a driver for having an alternative to INSPIRE etc also
08:53:13 <PWinstanley> ... It was very clear with geoDCAT-AP that it was not replacing existing standards, but was providing an interoperable mapping that was consistent across administrations
08:53:54 <PWinstanley> ... I see the same issue within the research community - we have islands that need connecting
08:54:10 <PWinstanley> scribenick: PWinstanley
08:55:33 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: JRC works with the public sector and the research community and we see data interchange but no interoperable, compatible approach to metadata and discovery
08:57:03 <PWinstanley> ... I can provide some narrative that describes the approach (RDF and Linked Data) and the benefits.  The geospatial community doesn't use global persistent identifiers.  In many instances metadata is just free text (e.g. publisher is just the name - but this is provided in different ways, so we cannot easily aggregate from one provider)
08:57:17 <PWinstanley> ... The use of URIs will remove that problem
08:57:30 <PWinstanley> ... It would also enable better sharing across platforms
08:58:24 <PWinstanley> ... There was a community request  seeking a solution for cross-platform metadata interoperability.  DCAT is a good solution.  The problem is an editor and other tooling
08:58:40 <DaveBrowning> ack stijn_goedertier_AIV
08:58:46 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: this is the kind of information we need to give in dialogues with others
08:59:12 <PWinstanley> stijn_goedertier_AIV: I agree with AndreaPerego .  The selling point of DCAT is interoperability between different communities
09:00:10 <PWinstanley> ... DCAT brings the interoperability aspect.  My work with the Flemish gov is (issue 223) geospatial and EAD for archives, and also the open data community
09:01:08 <PWinstanley> ... The regional gov also want DCAT to be used as the exchange metadata format.  They are building tools for using Geonetwork to edit (in XML) DCAT records
09:01:16 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
09:01:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/06/21-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
09:02:29 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: This sounds like we need to take AndreaPerego up on the offer of pulling together some narrative.  The solution to the 223 - this is why DCAT is perfectly positioned to act as a broad cross-domain interoperability standard.
09:02:50 <AndreaPerego> q+
09:03:41 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
09:04:41 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: we could put this motivational text in the text discussing DCAT uses - there are examples at the beginning of the text.
09:06:06 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: I am concerned about the structure of the document and it's size.  We don't want to end up with a doc that is too long.  The end section on alignment with other standards and even quite simple alignments make the doc mushroom in size.
09:06:06 <AndreaPerego> Agree the alignment section is dangerous. I see it as a separate work.
09:06:27 <PWinstanley> DaveBrowning: we need to perhaps split this off
09:06:39 <AndreaPerego> q+
09:06:47 <DaveBrowning> ack andre
09:06:50 <DaveBrowning> ack andre
09:06:54 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
09:07:40 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: I was thinking that we could publish a separate doc (working draft) for the alignment.  We already have docs that were done by others that could be reused
09:08:53 <PWinstanley> Action: AndreaPerego to draft some text about the drivers for DCAT
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09:10:00 <PWinstanley> q+
09:10:11 <DaveBrowning> ack PWinstanley
09:10:40 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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09:11:21 <DaveBrowning> PWinstanley: At recent meeting, I was talking to certain people about using DCAT to bind together something
09:11:24 <DaveBrowning> q+
09:11:30 <DaveBrowning> ack DaveBrowning
09:12:18 <AndreaPerego> regrets+RiccardoAlbertoni, Nick Car, Simon Cox, Alejandra Gonzalez-Beltran
09:12:20 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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09:12:49 <AndreaPerego> s/regrest+RiccardoAlbertoni, Nick Car, Simon Cox, Alejandra Gonzalez-Beltran//
09:12:50 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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09:13:09 <DaveBrowning> PWinstanley: Binding together information assets behind decisions or new directive to act as reification - slightly different to how its been done.
09:16:35 <DaveBrowning> PWinstanley: This might motivate a conversation 'in the margins' about DCAT role in organisation of information assets
09:17:05 <stijn_goedertier_AIV> +1 to the comment of Peter, the expanded scope of DCAT opens the door to better manage information assets throughout the public sector. It mostly need good URIs. Revisiting the Linked Data vision.
09:19:30 <stijn_goedertier_AIV> Thanks everybody
09:19:34 <PWinstanley> bye
09:19:36 <stijn_goedertier_AIV> bye
09:19:37 <DaveBrowning> bye
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09:20:11 <AndreaPerego> [meeting adjourned]
09:20:12 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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09:20:33 <PWinstanley> regrest+  RiccardoAlbertoni, Nick Car, Simon Cox, Alejandra Gonzalez-Beltran
09:20:40 <PWinstanley> regrets+  RiccardoAlbertoni, Nick Car, Simon Cox, Alejandra Gonzalez-Beltran
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09:20:51 <AndreaPerego> s/regrest+  RiccardoAlbertoni, Nick Car, Simon Cox, Alejandra Gonzalez-Beltran//
09:20:53 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
09:20:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/06/21-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
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