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08:00:11 <tink> Meeting: HTML F2F meeting
08:00:27 <tink> Chair: Chaals
08:01:13 <tink> present+ Chaals, Steve, Léonie, Bruce, Sanghwan, Job, Scott, Xiaoqian
08:01:21 <tink> rrsagent, make minutes
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08:07:38 <tink> zakim, clear agenda
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08:07:44 <chaals> agenda: https://github.com/w3c/WebPlatformWG/blob/gh-pages/meetings/18-06-html.md
08:10:01 <chaals> More issues: https://github.com/w3c/html/issues?q=is%3Aissue+milestone%3A"HTML5.3+WD4"+is%3Aopen
08:10:07 <chaals> agenda+ TAG review
08:10:32 <chaals> agenda+ outstanding issues
08:11:28 <chaals> agenda+ wwg comparison
08:11:48 <chaals> agenda+ implementation report.
08:11:59 <chaals> agenda+ next steps / wwg collaboration (with PLH)
08:12:41 <tink> zakim, take up item 1
08:12:41 <Zakim> agendum 1. "TAG review" taken up [from chaals]
08:13:08 <tink> SM: The TAG is not going to review HTML5.3
08:13:22 <chaals> q+
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08:13:44 <tink> ... Custom Elements is being tracked in #244 on the TAG repo
08:14:15 <tink> ... The TAG is doing a wide review of the whole of HTML.
08:14:44 <tink> ... If WebPlat wants #244 to be escalated, you should raise it with the TAG chairs.
08:15:11 <tink> ... On HTML5.3, we're not happy with @ping.
08:15:23 <tink> CMN: It would be good to get a statement to that effect from the TAG then.
08:15:30 <tink> ... Privacy also has concerns.
08:15:47 <tink> SM: @ping is not well designed I think.
08:16:05 <tink> ... Also there is @allowusermedia is a concern.
08:16:51 <tink> ... There is something called Permission Delegation in development.
08:17:02 <tink> XW: I looked at that, and it doesn't seem that different.
08:17:20 <tink> SM: Yes, but @allowusermedia is very specific, we can't keep adding things.
08:17:30 <tink> XW: But Permission Delegation isn't ready.
08:17:41 <tink> SM: No, so this is something we'd want to do in the future.
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08:17:58 <tink> scribe: Léonie
08:18:40 <tink> CMN: How many implementations does @allowusermedia have?
08:18:44 <tink> XW: One.
08:19:04 <tink> CMN: It should be marked at risk.
08:19:14 <tink> ... There are two things I'd like the TAG to look at.
08:19:26 <tink> ... #1337
08:20:02 <tink> ... Should you be able to put any custom attribute into a Custom Element?
08:20:25 <tink> ... The argument for is that it's useful for attribute short names.
08:20:36 <tink> ... The argument against is that there is no way of knowing which attributes are out there.
08:20:58 <tink> ... The question is whether we should sacrifice extensibility for author convenience?
08:21:08 <tink> ... It dould be good for the TAG to look into this.
08:21:37 <tink> SM: Please add this to the HTML5.3 wide review request issue on the TAG repo.
08:21:52 <tink> CMN: The other is #1424 on the ruby elements.
08:22:00 <tink> ... Don't think the TAG has a consensus position on this.
08:22:18 <tink> XW: #248 on the TAG repo relates to this.
08:22:31 <tink> SM: I've had conversations about this.
08:22:32 <chaals> s/... Don/SW: Don
08:22:41 <tink> ... There are different opinions on where it should be.
08:22:46 <tink> ... I'd like it to be better.
08:22:50 <tink> CMN: I'll raise this too.
08:24:18 <tink> zakim, agenda?
08:24:18 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda:
08:24:19 <Zakim> 1. TAG review [from chaals]
08:24:19 <Zakim> 2. outstanding issues [from chaals]
08:24:19 <Zakim> 3. wwg comparison [from chaals]
08:24:19 <Zakim> 4. implementation report. [from chaals]
08:24:19 <Zakim> 5. next steps / wwg collaboration (with PLH) [from chaals]
08:25:01 <tink> LW: So what is the proposed HTML review the TAG is doing?
08:25:13 <tink> SM: The TAG has never reviewed it, and so that's what we're doing.
08:25:25 <tink> LW: What is the prupose of the review?
08:25:40 <tink> SM: On our tracker there is a list of things we look for.
08:25:55 <tink> ... How everything connects together, what is still needed, what is obsolete, etc.
08:26:04 <tink> XW: Is there a timeline?
08:26:12 <tink> SM: No, no timeline.
08:26:18 <tink> ... We're under-staffed.
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08:27:10 <tink> ... One point to mention is that the WHATWG spec is missing some of the media features that are in the W3C space.
08:27:15 <tink> CMN: Examples?
08:27:20 <tink> SM: Like EME.
08:27:28 <tink> CMN: That's a separate extension.
08:27:31 <tink> SM: Why?
08:27:43 <tink> CMN: There was a belief that the HTML spec should be modularised.
08:27:51 <tink> ... It didn't really work out.
08:28:01 <tink> SM: I don't think media should be among them.
08:28:25 <chaals> s/work out/work out as a complete success - there are some things that it helps and some costs
08:28:27 <tink> LW: I think EME was separated in order to enable HTML5 get to Rec.
08:29:03 <tink> SF: Ask the WHATWG to incorporate EME?
08:29:21 <tink> SM: It's not just EME, there is also Media Loading etc.
08:29:49 <tink> CMN: Suggest raising an issue.
08:29:51 <tink> zakim, close this item
08:29:51 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, tink
08:30:05 <chaals> q-
08:30:10 <tink> zakim, close this item
08:30:10 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
08:30:11 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
08:30:11 <Zakim> 2. outstanding issues [from chaals]
08:30:14 <tink> zakim, take up item 4
08:30:14 <Zakim> agendum 4. "implementation report." taken up [from chaals]
08:30:28 <tink> CMN: We have things in the report that no-one has looked at.
08:30:36 <tink> ... Bruce?
08:30:41 <tink> SM: Mine are not there.
08:31:21 <chaals> -> http://w3c.github.io/test-results/html53/implementation-report.html Implementation report
08:31:34 <tink> LW: The report itself needs updating because we've made more commits since I created the stub.
08:31:54 <chaals> -> http://w3c.github.io/test-results/html53/implementation-report.html Implementation report source
08:32:20 <tink> CMN: Please look at your changes, make sure they are in the report if they are substantive, and that the test results are provided with links to the tests.
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08:33:43 <xiaoqian> https://wpt.fyi/results/
08:34:52 <tink> zakim, close this item
08:34:52 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
08:34:53 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
08:34:53 <Zakim> 2. outstanding issues [from chaals]
08:37:26 <tink> zakim, take up item 2
08:37:26 <Zakim> agendum 2. "outstanding issues" taken up [from chaals]
08:39:22 <tink> CMN: Programmer3000 deleted their account after it was blocked, so we've lost their issues.
08:39:26 <tink> SM: Is that a bad thing?
08:39:35 <tink> CMN: I think so.
08:39:47 <tink> ... They were often abusive, but their issues were sometimes useful.
08:40:10 <tink> BL: I have lots in my emails.
08:40:47 <tink> LW: That's a very time consuming thing to do, is it really worth it?
08:40:54 <tink> CMN: Yes, I think so.
08:41:00 <tink> BL: I can do this.
08:41:51 <tink> LW: As we go through issues do we plan to add them to milestones?
08:41:59 <tink> CMN: Good question.
08:42:09 <tink> ... We should get a WD update out next week.
08:42:17 <tink> ... Then set another WD milestone.
08:43:06 <tink> LW: If we move the current milestone deadline to Friday, the WD next week will include al we do here this week.
08:43:23 <tink> CMN: I'll do that, and create a new WD milestone for the end of July.
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08:44:56 <chaals> -> https://github.com/w3c/html/milestone/21 current milestone (due Friday)
08:45:32 <tink> CMN: If you have an assigned issue and can get it done this week, that would be good.
08:45:44 <tink> ... There are also issues that are unassigned, all from Programmer3000
08:46:11 <tink> ... #1338, #1344, and #1363
08:46:26 <tink> ... Will bump the to the next milestone.
08:46:35 <tink> BL: WFM
08:47:33 <tink> ... Any others we should bump?
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09:02:25 <tink> ... Of those that are assigned, how confident is everyone that they'll be done?
09:02:37 <tink> SOH: 4 of mine have PRs.
09:02:44 <tink> ... I'll work more on the Custom Elements examples this week.
09:03:02 <tink> ... Will start on #1405
09:03:14 <tink> ... Also #1392
09:03:31 <tink> ... So I think I can make progress this week.
09:03:48 <tink> ... I've also been looking at #300, which has been bumped to the When It's ready milestone.
09:04:03 <tink> XW: #1299 we can take the changes from the WHATWG.
09:04:18 <tink> ... #1384 and #1382 I can do this week.
09:04:32 <tink> CMN: #1424 to be discussed on Thursday with the I18n people.
09:04:47 <tink> ... #1423 needs implementations.
09:05:32 <tink> ... Think it can be closed because there are no implementations.
09:05:45 <tink> ... thead should allow you to keep the header in place whilst you scroll around.
09:05:59 <tink> ... Actually, I'll assign it to When It's Ready.
09:06:10 <tink> LW: We should open a corresponding issue on the WHATWG.
09:06:19 <tink> ... #1229 is to go through the IDL and compare it to the WHATWG spec.
09:06:40 <tink> ... Bruce, could you take this one?
09:06:53 <tink> BL: Ok...
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09:22:27 <tink> CMN: #1389 I'll get done.
09:22:40 <tink> ... That's all the open issues in the current milestone.
09:23:07 <tink> TOPIC: I18n issues
09:23:14 <chaals> -> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues?utf8=✓&q=label%3Ai18n-comment+ i18n issues
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09:23:55 <tink> LW: All open issues, or just those from wide review?
09:23:58 <tink> ... All of them.
09:24:17 <tink> s/... All of them./CMN: ... All of them./
09:24:44 <chaals> s|https://github.com/w3c/html/issues?utf8=✓&q=label%3Ai18n-comment+|https://github.com/w3c/html/labels/i18n-comment
09:25:14 <tink> ... #1424 we've dealt with ^^
09:25:28 <tink> ... #1292 allow span in the title element
09:25:47 <tink> ... Would be good, but you can't change title, so it's unlikely to happen.
09:26:04 <tink> ... It's marked "When It's ready, but think we should assume that won't happen.
09:26:13 <tink> LW@ Proposal to close?
09:26:19 <tink> CMN: Not sure.
09:26:28 <tink> SF: If we keep it open it gives false hope.
09:26:31 <tink> CMN: Yes.
09:26:50 <tink> ... Think tracking real issues is a good thing to do.
09:27:05 <tink> LW: Not sure this is the way to track such things.
09:27:21 <tink> SF: Could close it and use a specific label.
09:27:28 <tink> CMN: So suggest a label?
09:27:38 <tink> LW: "good idea", "unlikely"?
09:27:57 <tink> CMN: Will add "if only".
09:28:08 <tink> JVA: What makes this one hard to solve?
09:28:25 <tink> BL: The title element is so widely implemented and supported, changing it is too much to ask.
09:28:33 <tink> SF: The way thebrowser parses it would need to change.
09:28:58 <tink> s/SF: The way thebrowser parses it would need to change./SF: The way the browser parses it would need to change./
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09:30:10 <tink> CMN: Ok, labelled "if only" and closed.
09:30:26 <tink> XW: We should keep it open.
09:30:44 <tink> CMN: There is no point in keeping it open, but we just want to have a way of recalling it later.
09:30:52 <tink> XW: But if it's closed it won't happen.
09:30:58 <tink> CMN: We don't expect anything to happen.
09:31:20 <tink> SM: It doesn't have to happen inside the title element.
09:31:51 <tink> ... Quick test suggests it's just treated as text.
09:32:05 <tink> CMN: I know, I don't think we cansolve the problem, do you?
09:32:13 <tink> SM: No.
09:32:22 <tink> XW: We should keep it open.
09:32:25 <tink> LW: I disagree.
09:33:02 <tink> CMN: Open issues are the things we intend to do.
09:33:26 <tink> XW: What if someone raises the same issue again?
09:34:12 <tink> LW: We'd point them to the closed issue, like we would in any other situation.
09:34:21 <tink> SM: Open it in WICG?
09:34:29 <tink> CMN: There is no workable proposal though.
09:34:40 <tink> SM: True, but there is a use case.
09:35:29 <tink> CMN: Proposal: Close the issue?
09:35:33 <tink> +1
09:35:53 <tink> CMN: Show of hands +5 and -1.
09:36:18 <tink> SM: We might want some guidelines around this.
09:36:35 <tink> XW: Maybe I18n can track?
09:36:42 <tink> CMN: They'll get a notification when we close it.
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09:37:59 <tink> CMN: #1039 assigned to Xiaoqian.
09:38:24 <tink> ... Terence has a PR against this.
09:38:31 <tink> CMN: We merged it.
09:38:36 <tink> XW: So why is it assigned to me?
09:38:46 <tink> CMN: It's a wide review issue.
09:38:51 <tink> ... We should look at it again.
09:39:31 <tink> LW: If Terence addressed the original issue, it makes sense to assign this to him now.
09:40:20 <xiaoqian> scribe: xiaoqian
09:40:32 <xiaoqian> scribe: tink
09:40:49 <tink> cCMN: #1011
09:40:59 <tink> XW: Can do tht for the next milestone.
09:41:18 <tink> s/XW: Can do tht for the next milestone./XW: Can do that for the next milestone.?
09:41:30 <tink> CMN: #970 will assign to myself.
09:42:10 <tink> ... To improve definition of string using content from the Charmod spec.
09:42:28 <tink> ... #820 how should RTL ables be processed.
09:42:41 <tink> ... This is "When It's Ready" bcause implementations are generally borked.
09:42:58 <tink> ... Would be good to take it up but not sure we should right now.
09:43:40 <tink> ... #269 assigned to Sanghwan.
09:44:27 <tink> s/Sanghwan/Sangwhan/
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09:44:53 <tink> SM: We could potentially put it back.
09:45:08 <tink> ... If someone else wants to take it, I' ok with that.
09:45:26 <tink> s/... If someone else wants to take it, I' ok with that./... If someone else wants to take it, I'm ok with that./
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09:46:21 <tink> SOH: In the issue Firefox has it in development, others mixed signals.
09:46:34 <tink> JVA: Looks like Firefox implemented it about three months ago.
09:47:24 <tink> CMN: Sangwhan can you test for the next milestone?
09:47:35 <tink> SM: I need a mobile to test with.
09:48:22 <tink> ... But yes, I think so.
09:49:25 <tink> CMN: #226 assigned to Bruce.
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09:50:59 <tink> BL: Can do it for the next milestone.
09:51:14 <tink> CMN: I'll also talk to I18n about it.
09:51:27 <tink> ... That's the last of the i18n issues.
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09:52:09 <tink> TOPIC: Privacy issues
09:52:36 <tink> CMN: #1458 more granularity for allowusermedia
09:52:43 <tink> LW: It's a feature request.
09:53:11 <chaals> scribe: chaals
09:53:26 <tink> CMN: #1457
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09:53:46 <chaals> LJW: in #1457 there is privacy information in the spec referred to, we should point more clerly to it. I agree and assign it to me.
09:54:29 <chaals> CMN: #1456 ping attribute
09:55:01 <chaals> LJW: We should think about taking it out again
09:55:12 <chaals> JVA: Or disable it. That is really hard today
09:55:29 <chaals> LJW: posted an issue  in whatwg about this - they were not inclined to change anything
09:55:42 <chaals> SOH: whatwg/3718 issue
09:56:02 <chaals> CMN: The TAG apparently has something to say on this and I will be aking them to say it clearly.
09:57:09 <tink> ... The ping attribute is better for privacy than other possibilities.
09:58:11 <chaals> JVA: I can see JS crafting a URL and sending that.
09:59:19 <chaals> CMN: Right, and that is why ping is in principle an improvement, but you can't realise the value in curent shipping browsers
09:59:39 <chaals> SM: Need to talk through this more with TAG, but think the permission model is odd.
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10:03:38 <LJWatson> SM: Disabling autoplay on untrused websites is happening in Chrome.
10:04:20 <LJWatson> ... We could add a note to the spec to suggest it be disabled by default.
10:04:22 <LJWatson> CMN: Yes.
10:05:03 <LJWatson> ... #1311 is similar.
10:05:14 <LJWatson> ... Suggestion is to note the possibility of the attack.
10:05:49 <LJWatson> SM: I'm not sure about #1311
10:05:56 <LJWatson> CMN: It's been done.
10:06:15 <tink> SM: Is it a concern for the spec?
10:06:29 <tink> CMN: I think it's worth noting the mitigatins.
10:06:42 <tink> s/mitigatins./mitigations./
10:07:56 <tink> ... I'll take #1311 and #1312
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10:09:10 <tink> SOH: Should we index anything with a privacy concern under 1.8?
10:09:14 <tink> CMN: Yes, I think so.
10:09:53 <tink> SOH: I'm happy to do that indexing exercise.
10:10:08 <tink> LW: Worth opening an issue.
10:10:11 <tink> SOH: On it.
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10:11:40 <tink> TOPIC: Security issues
10:11:51 <tink> CMN: #952 update clickjacking guidance.
10:12:00 <tink> ... assigned to Sangwhan.
10:12:17 <tink> SM: We need Mike West's input on this one.
10:13:28 <tink> CMN: Anyone prepared to write a draft we can ask Mike to review and comment on?
10:14:59 <tink> ... Ok, I'll take it.
10:15:08 <tink> ... #543 add origin aware transferrables.
10:16:06 <tink> SM: This feature is needed, just not sure it's an HTML thing.
10:16:15 <tink> XW: Related to Feature Policy?
10:16:19 <tink> SM: Yes, could be.
10:16:56 <tink> ... Not sure which WG though.
10:17:34 <tink> SM: It's lower than HTML.
10:18:02 <tink> SM: Would be a good WHATWG collaboration issue?
10:18:12 <tink> LW: Should we open a cross-issue?
10:18:20 <tink> CMN: Check first there isn't one.
10:19:39 <tink> ... Not finding one.
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12:06:14 <chaals> Topic: issue triage...
12:06:14 <xiaoqian> scribe: xiaoqian
12:06:31 <chaals> -> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues open issues
12:06:45 <xiaoqian> chaals: #1463
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12:07:39 <xiaoqian> Scott_O: I can take it
12:08:00 <xiaoqian> tink: happy to join the discussion
12:08:09 <xiaoqian> chaals: #1461
12:08:36 <xiaoqian> ... assigned it to edent
12:09:00 <xiaoqian> tink: he shall be available in the next few weeks
12:09:24 <xiaoqian> chaals: #1447
12:09:45 <xiaoqian> Scott_O: I can give it a try
12:10:08 <xiaoqian> chaals: #1445
12:10:13 <xiaoqian> ... I can do this one
12:10:33 <xiaoqian> chaals: #1431
12:11:30 <xiaoqian> ... close it because no one is going to implement it
12:12:03 <xiaoqian> chaals: #1429 & #1430
12:12:11 <xiaoqian> ... substantive
12:13:11 <xiaoqian> ... need tests
12:13:42 <xiaoqian> ... going to the WD5 milestone
12:15:23 <xiaoqian> tink: I can try #1429, not sure can do before WD5
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12:15:46 <xiaoqian> chaals: #1425
12:15:59 <xiaoqian> Scott_O: not sure if we want this...
12:16:15 <xiaoqian> chaals: assign to tink
12:16:51 <xiaoqian> chaals: #1355
12:17:37 <xiaoqian> ... about which numbers are available or not
12:17:43 <xiaoqian> ... assign to edent
12:17:56 <xiaoqian> chaals: #1340
12:18:46 <xiaoqian> ... about the unknown dates, unknown months, ... , when the system format doesn't provide
12:19:13 <xiaoqian> ... when it's ready
12:19:41 <xiaoqian> chaals: #1336
12:20:05 <xiaoqian> ... about RDFA, I can take this, next milestone
12:20:18 <xiaoqian> chaals: #1333
12:20:52 <xiaoqian> ... should go to the WICG
12:21:28 <xiaoqian> chaals: #1319
12:21:53 <xiaoqian> ... next milestone
12:22:23 <xiaoqian> chaals: #1299 & #1298
12:22:43 <xiaoqian> sangwhan: 1299 is an example of 1298
12:23:16 <xiaoqian> chaals: we should do it, people wants this
12:24:14 <xiaoqian> chaals: #1289
12:24:46 <xiaoqian> ... we should do it when ready
12:25:33 <xiaoqian> chaals: #1247
12:26:39 <xiaoqian> ... a wish on various elements need attention
12:27:37 <xiaoqian> chaals: #1222
12:28:02 <xiaoqian> ... not implemented
12:28:51 <xiaoqian> sangwhan: it seems we should put it in
12:29:28 <xiaoqian> chaals: #1193 & #1185
12:29:55 <xiaoqian> ... both general things how the spec is built, low priority
12:30:41 <xiaoqian> sangwhan: what's the problem with the syntax?
12:31:04 <xiaoqian> chaals: it breaks things...
12:31:27 <xiaoqian> ... a noted issue in pygments
12:31:52 <xiaoqian> chaals: #1156
12:32:45 <xiaoqian> ... move to incubation
12:33:21 <xiaoqian> sangwhan: there is a CSS drafts working on this
12:33:53 <xiaoqian> ... already open on CSS -> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/2013
12:34:46 <xiaoqian> resolution: close #1156
12:35:00 <tink> RESOLUTION: Close #1156
12:35:04 <tink> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/1156
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12:35:22 <chaals2> rrsagent, pointer?
12:35:22 <RRSAgent> See https://www.w3.org/2018/06/19-html-irc#T12-35-22
12:36:16 <xiaoqian> chaals: #1125
12:36:54 <xiaoqian> ... things like this will be helpful
12:37:14 <xiaoqian> tink: you will have to redefine placeholder
12:37:28 <xiaoqian> chaals: this should be done in incubation
12:37:50 <xiaoqian> Scott_O: they misuse the term placeholder
12:39:37 <xiaoqian> chaals2: #1086
12:40:08 <xiaoqian> xw: it's waiting for the feature policy spec
12:40:18 <xiaoqian> chaals2: #1075
12:40:42 <xiaoqian> ... I dont think we should do it, DOM is a better place for Workers
12:41:10 <xiaoqian> sangwhan: not really a DOM thing
12:41:57 <xiaoqian> chaals2: update the worker spec as it is
12:43:10 <xiaoqian> tink: send another CfC to the WG
12:43:56 <xiaoqian> RESPLUTION: run a new CfC to the WG about Workers
12:44:36 <xiaoqian> sangwhan: I don't think it has a strong binding to HTML
12:45:37 <xiaoqian> chaals2: #980
12:45:48 <xiaoqian> ... editorial
12:46:46 <xiaoqian> Scott_O: let's put it for July and I can try to do it
12:47:42 <xiaoqian> chaals2: #978
12:48:09 <xiaoqian> ... it seems we should do it
12:48:16 <xiaoqian> chaals2: #975
12:48:51 <xiaoqian> ... duplicate with #1355
12:49:31 <xiaoqian> chaals2: #957
12:52:05 <xiaoqian> ... currently a hard one
12:52:22 <xiaoqian> ... will fix it when it's ready
12:52:42 <xiaoqian> chaals2: #938
12:54:26 <xiaoqian> ... we found a bunch of issues from Bugzilla last year that hadn't been imported
12:54:33 <xiaoqian> ... this is one of them
12:55:15 <xiaoqian> chaals2: #935
12:55:41 <xiaoqian> chaals2: #933
12:56:10 <xiaoqian> ... people may want to mute the microphone without muting the video
12:57:05 <xiaoqian> sangwhan: there are some platform features that can do it
12:57:53 <xiaoqian> ... what's the use case?
12:58:36 <xiaoqian> Scott_O: there are two sessions about microphone, none about this issue
12:58:52 <xiaoqian> chaals2: #910
12:59:48 <xiaoqian> RESOLUTION: close #910
13:00:29 <xiaoqian> chaals2: #907
13:00:52 <xiaoqian> ... should the name attribute allow multiple names on meta
13:00:56 <xiaoqian> ... need tests
13:01:07 <xiaoqian> ... low priority
13:01:21 <xiaoqian> chaals2: #898
13:02:27 <xiaoqian> Scott_O: I can try
13:02:39 <xiaoqian> chaals2: #868
13:03:05 <xiaoqian> ... should be put something about focus in the rendering section
13:03:47 <xiaoqian> s/should be put/should we put
13:04:33 <xiaoqian> chaals2: #375
13:05:09 <xiaoqian> sangwhan: would prefer to have pull requests...
13:05:33 <xiaoqian> chaals2: would be reasonable to ask for PR
13:06:21 <xiaoqian> chaals2: #373
13:06:37 <xiaoqian> ... most of these have been taken out
13:06:44 <xiaoqian> ... editorial
13:07:03 <xiaoqian> chaals2: #293
13:07:57 <xiaoqian> ... when you have an inactive element, you should not be able to hover it
13:08:58 <xiaoqian> ... assign to bruce
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13:09:25 <xiaoqian> sangwhan: #292
13:10:28 <xiaoqian> ... this can be part of the WICG special navigation TF
13:11:04 <xiaoqian> ... operate on the render tree instead of the DOM tree
13:12:24 <xiaoqian> RRSAgent, make mintues
13:12:24 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make mintues', xiaoqian.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
13:12:34 <xiaoqian> RRSAgent, mike minutes
13:12:34 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'mike minutes', xiaoqian.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
13:12:42 <xiaoqian> RRSAgent, make minutes
13:12:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/06/19-html-minutes.html xiaoqian
13:15:18 <sangwhan> s/special navigation/spatial navigation/
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14:01:54 <xiaoqian_> sangwhan: https://github.com/w3c/tr-design/issues
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