IRC log of personalization on 2018-06-11

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16:12:27 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

regrets: becky

16:14:25 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

agenda+ tools module (If ready)

16:14:29 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

agenda+ help module https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/new-format-for-help-module/help/index.html compair to https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/help/index.html

16:15:12 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

agenda+ do we have all the opinions for implementions at https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Comparison-of-ways-to-use-vocabulary-in-content

16:15:35 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

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16:57:14 [JF]

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16:57:24 [JF]

agenda?

16:57:34 [JF]

present+ JF

17:01:03 [Roy]

present+

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17:01:48 [janina]

zakim, who's here?

17:01:48 [Zakim]

Present: JF, Roy

17:01:50 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Sharon, JF, janina, LisaSeemanKestenbaum, RRSAgent, Zakim, MichaelC, Roy

17:01:57 [MichaelC]

present+

17:02:20 [janina]

present+

17:02:27 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

scribe: JF

17:02:27 [JF]

scribe: JF

17:02:39 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

present+

17:02:50 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

Zakim, next item

17:02:50 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "tools module (If ready)" taken up [from LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

17:02:56 [Sharon]

present+

17:03:17 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

agenda?

17:03:35 [JF]

zakim, take up item 2

17:03:35 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "help module https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/new-format-for-help-module/help/index.html compair to

17:03:37 [Zakim]

... https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/help/index.html" taken up [from LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

17:04:25 [JF]

LSK: Becky isn't on call, but believe that what Becky did on her module is easy to follow along

17:05:03 [JF]

worth looking at both, but the more important one is the alternative version to help

17:05:20 [JF]

not committed to any examples, look at structure instead

17:05:53 [JF]

this is what we had after the use-cases

17:06:09 [JF]

here, Becky has added al the values into one table, even if they come from different places

17:06:34 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/help/index.html#alternative-explanation

17:06:51 [JF]

took them out of the implementations examples

17:07:02 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/help/index.html#helptype-explanation

17:08:21 [JF]

all values are being merged into one vocabulary. If this works it's good, but if it doesn't it'w bad...

17:08:40 [JF]

LSK: do we have everything we need? Do we have all the terms/words we need?

17:09:07 [JF]

questions around vocab numbers - somewhat arbitrary.

17:10:40 [JF]

nuanced definitions: one says the type of help, the other is help options

17:11:54 [JF]

one describes cognitive accessibility level, the other is the types of help we have (i.e. "human help", the other might be "FAQ")

17:12:58 [JF]

one is accessibility features of the content (ex: types of symbols being used), the other is types of help (as above)

17:13:28 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

http://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/#inventory-user-needs

17:13:29 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Accessibility

17:16:19 [JF]

LSK: should we be looking to align with the Web Schemas effort as well

17:17:12 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

q?

17:17:28 [JF]

LSK: so the big question is where do we put the Help module?

17:17:43 [JF]

JS: sounds like a solid step forward

17:18:03 [JF]

LSK: kind of like having the table values in the same place

17:19:19 [JF]

LSK: perhaps we should mark what has come as "help" types (i.e Glossary = URI to glossary page)

17:19:42 [JF]

perhaps separate the two and look at separately

17:20:36 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/new-format-for-help-module/help/index.html#vocabulary-explanation

17:23:20 [JF]

JF: there are many types of help, so perhaps we should be "slivering" those out - i.e. define all the types of help we can imagine

17:25:43 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

overelap in module 1 :https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/semantics.html#destination

17:32:22 [JF]

JF: this very much feels like a "Purpose, Use, or Destination" question.

17:33:46 [JF]

LSK: suggesting overlap with Module 1

17:34:16 [JF]

LSK: suggest adding an Editor's note that indicates what has moved in from the Help module

17:35:19 [JF]

3 options: 1) identify what comes from Help Types, 2) make another column after tables, 3) make it back into 2 tables (types of help, accessibility support)

17:35:30 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

action: lisa to add editor note identifing what comes form help type so we merge it out into seprate vocab or into https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/semantics.html#destination

17:39:23 [JF]

Sharon: agree that the 2 table suggestion makes it easier to read. I'd also be interested in looking at the Purpose Use or Destination effort, and apply it to other terms

17:40:48 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

lisa add ednot e we merge it out into seprate vocab or into https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/semantics.html#destination

17:40:54 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

we mightb

17:41:28 [JF]

RESOLUTION: will separate out the two tables (apologies to Becky) to types of help, accessibility support. Lisa will add an Editor's Note that we are not fully resolved here - this may still be re-merged together or merged with something else

17:42:27 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

no merge until we fine tune it

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17:44:20 [JF]

zakim, take up next item

17:44:20 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "tools module (If ready)" taken up [from LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

17:44:26 [JF]

zakim, takeup item 3

17:44:26 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'takeup item 3', JF

17:44:34 [JF]

zakim, take up item 3

17:44:34 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "do we have all the opinions for implementions at https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Comparison-of-ways-to-use-vocabulary-in-content" taken up [from

17:44:37 [Zakim]

... LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

17:45:02 [JF]

LSK: implementation s wiki page - collecting all the data we looked at last week

17:45:05 [JF]

this is a big task

17:45:21 [JF]

we need to get this done however so that we can have a structured conversation

17:45:45 [JF]

LSK: added a new row - support for the proposals we have

17:45:53 [JF]

this is a first draft

17:48:29 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Comparison-of-ways-to-use-vocabulary-in-content

17:51:47 [JF]

Task for this TF: review that page, and then add additional bullets (but do not delete). If you have concerns or issues, add to GitHub Issue tracker so that we can discuss this properly

17:53:08 [JF]

Link Issue tracker items to the wiki page

17:53:13 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

and link the git isse to the page

17:53:18 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

and add link the git isse to the page

17:53:57 [JF]

Once we are ready with this, we can have a structured discussion about approach

17:55:24 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

michael?

17:55:37 [JF]

LSK: if we add things to the implementation table, perhaps Michael can edit the summary table

17:55:54 [JF]

don't want to mess with the structure of that for now

17:56:32 [JF]

LSK: (we can disagree with it, but if we start messing with it we may cause additional issues)

17:56:47 [JF]

so one of our first steps will then be to review Michael's summary

17:57:32 [JF]

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17:58:02 [JF]

LSK: will ask Janina to add some content re: Media Queries

17:59:46 [JF]

LSK: this does not have to be "definitive", add what we know so that we can continue the discussion

18:01:08 [JF]

JS: will try and get on this ASAP

18:01:49 [JF]

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trackbot, end meeting

18:02:32 [JF]

trackbot, end meeting

18:02:53 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

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18:03:17 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

zakim, please part

18:03:17 [Zakim]

leaving. As of this point the attendees have been JF, Roy, MichaelC, janina, LisaSeemanKestenbaum, Sharon

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18:03:37 [LisaSeemanKestenbaum]

rrsagent, please part

18:03:37 [RRSAgent]

I see 1 open action item saved in https://www.w3.org/2018/06/11-personalization-actions.rdf :

18:03:37 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: lisa to add editor note identifing what comes form help type so we merge it out into seprate vocab or into https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/semantics.html#destination [1]

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