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16:12:27 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> regrets: becky
16:14:25 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> agenda+ tools module  (If ready)
16:14:29 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> agenda+ help module https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/new-format-for-help-module/help/index.html   compair to  https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/help/index.html
16:15:12 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> agenda+ do we have all the opinions for implementions at https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Comparison-of-ways-to-use-vocabulary-in-content
16:15:35 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> rrsagent, make logs public
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16:57:24 <JF> agenda?
16:57:34 <JF> present+ JF
17:01:03 <Roy> present+
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17:01:48 <janina> zakim, who's here?
17:01:48 <Zakim> Present: JF, Roy
17:01:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see Sharon, JF, janina, LisaSeemanKestenbaum, RRSAgent, Zakim, MichaelC, Roy
17:01:57 <MichaelC> present+
17:02:20 <janina> present+
17:02:27 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> scribe: JF
17:02:27 <JF> scribe: JF
17:02:39 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> present+
17:02:50 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> Zakim, next item
17:02:50 <Zakim> agendum 1. "tools module  (If ready)" taken up [from LisaSeemanKestenbaum]
17:02:56 <Sharon> present+
17:03:17 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> agenda?
17:03:35 <JF> zakim, take up item 2
17:03:35 <Zakim> agendum 2. "help module https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/new-format-for-help-module/help/index.html   compair to
17:03:37 <Zakim> ... https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/help/index.html" taken up [from LisaSeemanKestenbaum]
17:04:25 <JF> LSK: Becky isn't on call, but believe that what Becky did on her module is easy to follow along
17:05:03 <JF> worth looking at both, but the more important one is the alternative version to help
17:05:20 <JF> not committed to any examples, look at structure instead
17:05:53 <JF> this is what we had after the use-cases
17:06:09 <JF> here, Becky has added al the values into one table, even if they come from different places
17:06:34 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/help/index.html#alternative-explanation
17:06:51 <JF> took them out of the implementations examples
17:07:02 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/help/index.html#helptype-explanation
17:08:21 <JF> all values are being merged into one vocabulary. If this works it's good, but if it doesn't it'w bad...
17:08:40 <JF> LSK: do we have everything we need? Do we have all the terms/words we need?
17:09:07 <JF> questions around vocab numbers - somewhat arbitrary.
17:10:40 <JF> nuanced definitions: one says the type of help, the other is help options
17:11:54 <JF> one describes cognitive accessibility level, the other is the types of help we have (i.e. "human help", the other might be "FAQ")
17:12:58 <JF> one is accessibility features of the content (ex: types of symbols being used), the other is types of help (as above)
17:13:28 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> http://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/#inventory-user-needs
17:13:29 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/Accessibility
17:16:19 <JF> LSK: should we be looking to align with the Web Schemas effort as well
17:17:12 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> q?
17:17:28 <JF> LSK: so the big question is where do we put the Help module?
17:17:43 <JF> JS: sounds like a solid step forward
17:18:03 <JF> LSK: kind of like having the table values in the same place
17:19:19 <JF> LSK: perhaps we should mark what has come as "help" types (i.e Glossary = URI to glossary page)
17:19:42 <JF> perhaps separate the two and look at separately
17:20:36 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/new-format-for-help-module/help/index.html#vocabulary-explanation
17:23:20 <JF> JF: there are many types of help, so perhaps we should be "slivering" those out - i.e. define all the types of help we can imagine
17:25:43 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> overelap in module 1 :https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/semantics.html#destination
17:32:22 <JF> JF: this very much feels like a "Purpose, Use, or Destination" question.
17:33:46 <JF> LSK: suggesting overlap with Module 1
17:34:16 <JF> LSK: suggest adding an Editor's note that indicates what has moved in from the Help module
17:35:19 <JF> 3 options: 1) identify what comes from Help Types, 2) make another column after tables, 3) make it back into 2 tables (types of help, accessibility support)
17:35:30 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> action: lisa to add editor note identifing what comes form  help type  so we merge it out into seprate vocab or into https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/semantics.html#destination
17:39:23 <JF> Sharon: agree that the 2 table suggestion makes it easier to read. I'd also be interested in looking at the Purpose Use or Destination effort, and apply it to other terms
17:40:48 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> lisa add ednot e we merge it out into seprate vocab or into https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/semantics.html#destination
17:40:54 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> we mightb
17:41:28 <JF> RESOLUTION: will separate out the two tables (apologies to Becky) to types of help, accessibility support. Lisa will add an Editor's Note that we are not fully resolved here - this may still be re-merged together or merged with something else
17:42:27 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> no merge until we fine tune it
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17:44:20 <JF> zakim, take up next item
17:44:20 <Zakim> agendum 1. "tools module  (If ready)" taken up [from LisaSeemanKestenbaum]
17:44:26 <JF> zakim, takeup item 3
17:44:26 <Zakim> I don't understand 'takeup item 3', JF
17:44:34 <JF> zakim, take up item 3
17:44:34 <Zakim> agendum 3. "do we have all the opinions for implementions at https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Comparison-of-ways-to-use-vocabulary-in-content" taken up [from
17:44:37 <Zakim> ... LisaSeemanKestenbaum]
17:45:02 <JF> LSK: implementation s wiki page - collecting all the data we looked at last week
17:45:05 <JF> this is a big task
17:45:21 <JF> we need to get this done however so that we can have a structured conversation
17:45:45 <JF> LSK: added a new row - support for the proposals we have
17:45:53 <JF> this is a first draft
17:48:29 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> https://github.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/wiki/Comparison-of-ways-to-use-vocabulary-in-content
17:51:47 <JF> Task for this TF: review that page, and then add additional bullets (but do not delete). If you have concerns or issues, add to GitHub Issue tracker so that we can discuss this properly
17:53:08 <JF> Link Issue tracker items to the wiki page
17:53:13 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> and  link the git isse to the page
17:53:18 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> and add  link the git isse to the page
17:53:57 <JF> Once we are ready with this, we can have a structured discussion about approach
17:55:24 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> michael?
17:55:37 <JF> LSK: if we add things to the implementation table, perhaps Michael can edit the summary table
17:55:54 <JF> don't want to mess with the structure of that for now
17:56:32 <JF> LSK: (we can disagree with it, but if we start messing with it we may cause additional issues)
17:56:47 <JF> so one of our first steps will then be to review Michael's summary
17:57:32 <JF> RRSAgent, make logs public
17:58:02 <JF> LSK: will ask Janina to add some content re: Media Queries
17:59:46 <JF> LSK: this does not have to be "definitive", add what we know so that we can continue the discussion
18:01:08 <JF> JS: will try and get on this ASAP
18:01:49 <JF> RRSAgent, make logs public
18:01:59 <JF> trackbot, end meeting
18:02:32 <JF> trackbot, end meeting
18:02:53 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum>  rrsagent, create minutes
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18:03:17 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> zakim, please part
18:03:17 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been JF, Roy, MichaelC, janina, LisaSeemanKestenbaum, Sharon
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18:03:37 <LisaSeemanKestenbaum> rrsagent, please part
18:03:37 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in https://www.w3.org/2018/06/11-personalization-actions.rdf :
18:03:37 <RRSAgent> ACTION: lisa to add editor note identifing what comes form  help type  so we merge it out into seprate vocab or into https://rawgit.com/w3c/personalization-semantics/master/semantics.html#destination [1]
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