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19:58:12 <kcoyle> chair: Karen Coyle
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20:07:49 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> sorry for the delay!
20:07:55 <DaveBrowning> present+
20:08:26 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2018.06.05
20:08:27 <NicholasCar> chair: kcoyle
20:08:30 <kcoyle> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
20:08:33 <NicholasCar> topic: Action Items
20:09:01 <antoine> q+
20:09:02 <NicholasCar> many actions have been completed but perhaps not all marked so on the list
20:09:20 <kcoyle> ack antoine
20:09:53 <NicholasCar> Antoine has completed his actions
20:10:35 <NicholasCar> Jaroslav has completed his ACTION-122
20:11:27 <NicholasCar> kcoyle: reminds people we are passing around DCAT FPWG to others for comment
20:11:55 <NicholasCar> topic: Requirements for Profiles
20:12:51 <NicholasCar> we want to put Requirements in 3 groups: In Scope, Out of Scope or questionable, for discussion
20:13:51 <annette_g> do it!!!!
20:14:00 <NicholasCar> kcoyle: suggests removal of Reqs in 6.1 since they have been superceeded
20:14:15 <antoine> q+ to ask where they are
20:14:58 <antoine> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/205
20:15:04 <NicholasCar> roba: could we link new issues to the old ones
20:15:48 <NicholasCar> all the Reqs are here: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestone/8
20:17:17 <kcoyle> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16JmtNCz_aCWtTCSntriDWLvyPY2x-Y9dZFhAHFl55r0/edit#gid=0
20:18:59 <kcoyle> https://docs.google.com/document/d/13hV2tJ6Kg2Hfe7e1BowY5QfCIweH9GxSCFQV1aWtOPg/edit#
20:19:38 <kcoyle> q?
20:19:41 <kcoyle> ack antoine
20:19:41 <Zakim> antoine, you wanted to ask where they are
20:19:42 <antoine> q-
20:21:19 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
20:21:28 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
20:21:59 <NicholasCar> kcoyle: we are using CAN, SHOULD etc in Reqs since this is for a guidance document, not just RDF
20:23:01 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> * sorry for the confusion!
20:23:10 <kcoyle> PROPOSED: accept Requirement: Profiles are "named collections of properties" or metadata terms (if not RDF) [ID41] (5.41) [profile]
20:23:20 <PWinstanley> +1
20:23:21 <annette_g> +1
20:23:26 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
20:23:27 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:23:37 <antoine> +1 (in fact I can even volunteer the Europeana use case to support them :-) )
20:23:57 <roba> +1
20:24:04 <NicholasCar> +1
20:24:54 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: Requirement: Profiles are "named collections of properties" or metadata terms (if not RDF) [ID41] (5.41) [profile] IS IN SCOPE
20:25:21 <annette_g> +1
20:25:29 <kcoyle> PROPOSED: accept as in scope Requirement: Profiles can have human-readable definitions of terms and input instructions [ID46] (5.46) [profile]
20:25:45 <annette_g> +1
20:25:48 <antoine> +1
20:25:52 <NicholasCar> +1
20:25:55 <PWinstanley> +1
20:25:56 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
20:25:58 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:26:29 <roba> +1
20:26:36 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: accept as in scope Requirement: Profiles can have human-readable definitions of terms and input instructions [ID46] (5.46) [profile]
20:27:14 <roba> "have" ?
20:27:15 <kcoyle> PROPOSED: accept as in scope Requirement: Profiles can have what is needed to drive forms for data input or for user display. [ID46] (5.46) [profile]
20:27:45 <PWinstanley> contain?
20:27:49 <annette_g> can "include"?
20:29:28 <antoine> +1
20:29:30 <annette_g> +1
20:29:32 <PWinstanley> +1
20:29:35 <roba> +1
20:29:36 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:29:38 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
20:29:39 <NicholasCar> +1
20:29:40 <annette_g> but I'm a little concerned that I don't understand Rob's concern.
20:30:06 <annette_g> okay
20:30:15 <roba> interpretations - profiles may be defined by collections of resources - "have" will be by reference
20:30:23 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: accept as in scope Requirement: Profiles can have what is needed to drive forms for data input or for user display. [ID46] (5.46) [profile]
20:31:59 <roba> are 2 and 4 the same?\
20:32:20 <kcoyle> PROPOSED: accept as in scope Requirement: Profiles may provide rules on cardinality of terms (including “recommended”) [ID41] (5.41) [profile]
20:32:35 <annette_g> +1
20:32:39 <antoine> +1
20:32:41 <PWinstanley> +1
20:32:45 <roba> +1
20:32:47 <NicholasCar> +1
20:32:48 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:32:49 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
20:33:07 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: accept as in scope Requirement: Profiles may provide rules on cardinality of terms (including “recommended”) [ID41] (5.41) [profile]
20:33:27 <roba> +1
20:33:30 <kcoyle> PROPOSED: accept as in scope Requirement: Profiles may provide rules governing value validity [ID41] (5.41) [profile]
20:33:34 <annette_g> +1
20:33:35 <antoine> +1
20:33:39 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
20:33:47 <PWinstanley> +1
20:33:52 <NicholasCar> +1
20:33:52 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:34:37 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: accept as in scope Requirement: Profiles may provide rules governing value validity [ID41] (5.41) [profile]
20:35:27 <NicholasCar> +1
20:35:29 <kcoyle> PROPOSED: accept as in scope Requirement: Profiles may express dependencies between elements of the vocabulary (if A then not B, etc.) [ID41] (5.41) [profile]
20:35:34 <annette_g> +1
20:35:35 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:35:35 <antoine> +1
20:35:36 <roba> +1
20:35:37 <PWinstanley> +1
20:35:39 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
20:35:40 <NicholasCar> +1
20:35:51 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
20:36:50 <antoine> q+
20:37:15 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
20:37:41 <antoine> q-
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20:38:09 <roba> thats just repeating the original UCR rewriting and deduplicating. Happy for someone else to try next time though..
20:38:22 <NicholasCar> Joaroslav_Pullmann: asks about regularising content in the Guidance document
20:38:53 <NicholasCar> kcoyle: suggests this is best undertaken while editing the document when most information about content it known - this is a tasks for the editors
20:39:01 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: accept as in scope Requirement: Profiles may express dependencies between elements of the vocabulary (if A then not B, etc.) [ID41] (5.41) [profile]
20:39:26 <antoine> q+
20:39:37 <kcoyle> ack antoine
20:40:33 <PWinstanley_> q+
20:40:37 <NicholasCar> can you please paste the text?
20:41:06 <annette_g> q+
20:41:16 <kcoyle> Profiles can have rules for data value validation, including pick lists [ID46] (5.46) [profile]
20:41:55 <roba> picklists - does this include external vocabulary references? do we need to separate in-profile and external controlled vocab cases?
20:41:55 <NicholasCar> PWinstanley: suggests taking out ", including pick lists"
20:42:12 <kcoyle> ACTION: antoine to re-write requirement from ID46 "Profiles can have rules for data value validation, including pick lists [ID46] (5.46) [profile]"
20:42:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-127 - Re-write requirement from id46 "profiles can have rules for data value validation, including pick lists [id46] (5.46) [profile]" [on Antoine Isaac - due 2018-06-12].
20:42:46 <PWinstanley_> s/suggests taking out ", including pick lists"/suggests taking out "data value validation,"/
20:42:50 <kcoyle> RESOLVED: will rewrite Profiles can have rules for data value validation, including pick lists [ID46] (5.46) [profile]
20:44:08 <kcoyle> PROPOSED: accept as in scope Requirement: Profiles should be able to indicate what external standards are expected to be applied to the data provided. [ID42, ID43] (5.42, 5.43) [profile]
20:45:11 <roba> q+
20:45:16 <antoine> q+
20:45:16 <annette_g> q-
20:45:23 <kcoyle> ack PWinstanley_
20:45:34 <kcoyle> ack roba
20:45:37 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
20:46:02 <annette_g> q+
20:46:11 <kcoyle> ack antoine
20:46:51 <annette_g> q-
20:47:25 <annette_g> q+
20:48:16 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> .. I tried to understand like this: Profiles may indicate standards a constituent and its value(s) must conforms to.
20:49:39 <kcoyle> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
20:49:54 <kcoyle> ack annette_g
20:51:19 <kcoyle> ACTION: kcoyle re-write Requirement: Profiles should be able to indicate what external standards are expected to be applied to the data provided. [ID42, ID43] (5.42, 5.43) [profile]
20:51:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-128 - Re-write requirement: profiles should be able to indicate what external standards are expected to be applied to the data provided. [id42, id43] (5.42, 5.43) [profile] [on Karen Coyle - due 2018-06-12].
20:51:42 <antoine> q+
20:51:50 <kcoyle> ack antoine
20:52:25 <annette_g> q+
20:52:48 <roba> q+
20:52:48 <NicholasCar> kcoyle: we have considered all the Reqs tabled, is tehre discussion about others?
20:53:06 <PWinstanley_> s/tehre/there/
20:54:14 <kcoyle> ack annette_g
20:54:43 <annette_g> •    Requirement: Profiles may provide rules governing acceptable values, including pick lists [ID41] (5.41) [profile]
20:54:43 <annette_g> •    Requirement: Profiles can have rules for data value validation [ID46] (5.46) [profile]
20:55:45 <annette_g> ^possible rewrite of 2 and 4 under Expression Data Constraints
20:55:55 <annette_g> s/Expression/Expressing/
20:58:12 <annette_g> oh, sorry, I didn't realize that was the same one you were working on.
20:58:37 <annette_g> I was just hoping the first one could be a little broader.
20:58:55 <PWinstanley_> q+
20:59:06 <kcoyle> ack roba
20:59:09 <antoine> annette_g, we're going to have both levels so maybe one of your suggestion can still be made!
20:59:49 <kcoyle> ack annette_g
21:00:00 <kcoyle> ack PWinstanley_
21:00:31 <annette_g> antoine, I'll let you work on it.
21:02:09 <NicholasCar> PWinstanley: we must follow procedure and determine status of all Reqs
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21:03:09 <NicholasCar> kcoyle: people with wording changes, please make suggestions on the Google Doc
21:03:12 <annette_g> Bye all!
21:03:13 <NicholasCar> present-
21:03:19 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> bye, thanks!
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