15:43:57 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #pbg
15:43:57 <RRSAgent> logging to https://www.w3.org/2018/05/22-pbg-irc
15:43:58 <ivan> rrsagent, set log public
15:43:58 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Business Group Telco
15:43:58 <ivan> Chair: Liisa
15:43:58 <ivan> Date: 2018-05-22
15:43:58 <ivan> Regrets+ rachel, karen, brian, george, yoshii, laurent
15:43:58 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishingbg/2018May/0018.html
15:43:59 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2018-05-22: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishingbg/2018May/0018.html
15:47:44 <Julian_Calderazi> Julian_Calderazi has joined #pbg
15:54:03 <Avneesh> Avneesh has joined #pbg
15:59:15 <ivan> present+
15:59:36 <BillM> BillM has joined #PBG
16:00:04 <dauwhe> present+ dauwhe
16:00:09 <ivan> present+ daihei, billm, Julian_Calderazi
16:00:14 <Avneesh> present+
16:00:27 <laudrain> laudrain has joined #pbg
16:00:31 <tzviya> present+
16:00:37 <ivan> present+ liisa, makoto
16:00:43 <Julian_Calderazi> present+
16:00:50 <ivan> present+ luc
16:00:58 <RickJ> RickJ has joined #pbg
16:01:07 <ivan> present rickj
16:01:12 <ivan> present+ rickj
16:01:15 <liisamk> liisamk has joined #pbg
16:01:38 <liisamk> present+ liisamk
16:01:46 <Makoto__> Makoto__ has joined #pbg
16:01:58 <laudrain> present+
16:02:11 <rkwright> rkwright has joined #pbg
16:02:22 <rkwright> rkwright+
16:03:26 <leonardr> leonardr has joined #pbg
16:04:31 <Bill_Kasdorf> Bill_Kasdorf has joined #pbg
16:04:38 <laudrain> scribenick Luc
16:04:45 <dauwhe> scribenick: Luc
16:04:47 <Bill_Kasdorf> present+
16:04:53 <dauwhe> Zakim, who is here?
16:04:53 <Zakim> Present: ivan, dauwhe, daihei, billm, Julian_Calderazi, Avneesh, tzviya, liisa, makoto, luc, rickj, liisamk, laudrain, Bill_Kasdorf
16:04:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see Bill_Kasdorf, leonardr, rkwright, Makoto__, liisamk, RickJ, laudrain, BillM, Avneesh, Julian_Calderazi, RRSAgent, Zakim, tzviya, Rachel, ivan, dauwhe, bigbluehat
16:05:05 <ivan> q+
16:05:06 <leonardr> Present+ Leonard
16:05:07 <laudrain> Topic: report from DPUB Summit Berlin
16:05:57 <ivan> https://www.edrlab.org/dpub-summit-2018/program/
16:06:18 <laudrain> Ivan: video recording will be on line
16:06:51 <laudrain> personnaly, several things on scholarly publishing
16:07:06 <garth> garth has joined #pbg
16:07:18 <garth> present+ Garth
16:07:40 <laudrain> … publishing data is also important besides text
16:08:02 <laudrain> … packaging smaller chuncks
16:08:20 <laudrain> … cut the publicaiton in pieces
16:08:27 <liisamk> * garth is signed up for next time! :)
16:08:47 <laudrain> … Also from Microsoft epub reader in Edge
16:09:15 <laudrain> … hoxw would he convince other browsr vendors but no clear answer
16:09:45 <laudrain> … archival last session, all problems they hit with publications
16:10:04 <Makoto__> There was some good news about adoption of LCP by libraries.
16:10:25 <liisamk> q+
16:10:29 <liisamk> ack ivan
16:10:38 <laudrain> … from British Library all professional in this area will review WP document to make lthere life easier
16:11:08 <Makoto__> +1
16:11:10 <laudrain> … Garth gave a good feedback on W3C feedback
16:11:32 <laudrain> … Avneesh gave an impressive presentation of SMART
16:11:56 <laudrain> Liisa: archival : long term acces or technicly out of print?
16:12:09 <laudrain> Ivan: Longterm, in 500 years?
16:12:17 <pbelfanti> pbelfanti has joined #pbg
16:12:26 <pbelfanti> present+
16:12:28 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:12:36 <BillM> present+ BillM
16:12:40 <laudrain> Liisa: publisher maintenance of a file is a problem now
16:12:46 <laudrain> ack Liisa
16:12:47 <ivan> ack liisamk
16:12:49 <ivan> ack Bill_Kasdorf
16:13:22 <laudrain> BillK: legal deposit have challenge, they have to archieve every thing
16:13:26 <laudrain> q?
16:14:17 <Makoto__> +q
16:14:25 <liisamk> Luc: very interesting to meet each other and have concentration of thoughts
16:14:34 <garth> ack Makoto__
16:14:39 <laudrain> Luc: not so much people from Germany
16:14:56 <laudrain> Makoto: attendees interested in LCP
16:15:47 <laudrain> … how do other feels ?
16:15:57 <Bill_Kasdorf> I'm not hearing anything
16:16:02 <Makoto__> Me too.
16:16:03 <leonardr> Me either...
16:16:05 <BillM> not me either
16:16:10 <Avneesh> Avneesh has joined #pbg
16:16:11 <liisamk> me neither
16:16:11 <laudrain> Luc: LCP a good opportunity for libraries in Europe
16:16:17 <Julian_Calderazi> no audio ... :o(
16:16:22 <pbelfanti> i've lost audio as well
16:16:24 <BillM> shall I restart the Gotomeeting? I was spoofing Laurent Le Meur
16:16:30 <BillM> but I hate to nuke everyone...
16:16:33 <laudrain> Yes please do
16:16:37 <Makoto__> Yes.
16:16:37 <liisamk> yes, I think we should restart
16:16:41 <ivan> nuke us!
16:16:47 <leonardr> We’re back1
16:16:51 <pbelfanti> yes!
16:17:01 <BillM> hm, I didn't do anything...
16:17:14 <BillM> I can hear everyone now
16:17:27 <laudrain> q?
16:18:20 <laudrain> Garth: 130 people, engaged
16:18:33 <laudrain> … talks on point and interesting
16:19:39 <garth> q+
16:19:40 <laudrain> Avneesh: Edge business model is a question
16:19:56 <garth> ack garth
16:19:57 <Jens> Jens has joined #pbg
16:20:01 <leonardr> Q+
16:20:32 <laudrain> Garth: MS making a bookstore, so Edge good fot the consumption of the books
16:21:09 <laudrain> … surprised to hear taht native EPUB support to come in iOS and Android
16:21:18 <ivan> present+ jensklingelhoefer
16:21:37 <ivan> present+ pbelfanti
16:21:48 <laudrain> Leonard: PDF day at the same moment, consistent support in browsers
16:21:49 <ivan> present+ leslie
16:22:41 <tzviya> q+
16:22:47 <ivan> ack leonardr
16:22:52 <laudrain> Ivan: will be repeated next year but where is to be considered
16:22:57 <ivan> ack tzviya
16:23:03 <laudrain> Tzviya: slides ?
16:23:15 <laudrain> Ivan: they will be and the video
16:23:32 <garth> Garth excellent slides (laregely stolen from Tzviya): https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1WR91-UqMwo5EVnRQSqkxFwcb75mnsRUt4zAeS8jSqQs/edit#slide=id.p1
16:23:44 <ivan> topic: tokyo workshop
16:23:50 <BillM> q+
16:23:51 <laudrain> Topic: Manga/Comics/BD workshop in Tokyo
16:24:04 <laudrain> ack BillM
16:24:37 <laudrain> BillM: make progress on a consensus on the scope
16:25:19 <laudrain> … several concurrent proposals
16:25:39 <laudrain> … planned on 18 and 19, cover « layout & presentation of visually rich publications, including both fixed and dynamic formatting »
16:25:56 <laudrain> … from Manga to magazines
16:26:24 <laudrain> … using OWP for visualy rich content, including accessibility
16:26:34 <laudrain> … CSS expert are expected
16:26:51 <laudrain> … CSS animation, CSS pagination
16:27:21 <Makoto__> Kodansha
16:27:25 <Makoto__> Not rakuten
16:27:39 <laudrain> q+
16:28:00 <laudrain> … list of co-chairs in progress
16:28:23 <laudrain> Makoto: Florain suported by Kodansha
16:28:45 <laudrain> … seperate events after this workshop, sister events
16:29:13 <laudrain> BillM: APL is involved in logistics, workshop in english
16:29:15 <ivan> s/Florain/Florian/
16:29:29 <laudrain> … seminar after in japanese
16:29:50 <laudrain> … targeting japanese publishers
16:30:19 <liisamk> ack laudrain
16:30:30 <laudrain> … 50 to 70 people for the workshop
16:31:11 <laudrain> Makoto: manga publishers and authors would prefer japanes than english
16:31:29 <laudrain> BillM: see that in PC meeting
16:31:54 <laudrain> … contact me Makoto, Florian or Luc for participating
16:33:17 <laudrain> Makoto: invite French authors and Samuel Petit
16:34:09 <laudrain> BillM: next week WCM approval on workshop and group, and then set a meeting
16:34:15 <tzviya> q+
16:34:35 <laudrain> … first meeting week of June 4 probably
16:34:56 <laudrain> Makoto: I’ll be in London
16:35:09 <Avneesh> q+
16:35:19 <laudrain> ack tzviya
16:35:37 <ivan> ack tzviya
16:35:49 <leonardr> leonardr has joined #pbg
16:35:50 <laudrain> tzviya: 18/19 is Yom Kippour, so won’t get any Jews
16:37:07 <laudrain> BillM: we will think about this
16:37:36 <laudrain> Avneesh: accessibility chronique issue in comics
16:38:02 <laudrain> Makoto: a11y in particular dyslexia
16:38:19 <laudrain> … for blind people very difficult challenge
16:38:28 <laudrain> … a11y will be in the scope
16:38:29 <laudrain> q?
16:38:37 <laudrain> ack Avneesh
16:38:41 <ivan> ack Avneesh
16:38:53 <leonardr> Q+
16:39:03 <ivan> Topic: ISO discussion
16:39:14 <laudrain> Topic: recent ISO discussions relative to EPUB
16:39:32 <laudrain> leonardr: moving PEUB forxward in Lisbon last week
16:39:50 <laudrain> … standardization of EPUB 3.0.1 and LCP
16:40:22 <laudrain> … on EPUB, 3.0 a TS, TS have a short life 3 years
16:40:24 <Makoto__> No, it can be extended.
16:41:01 <laudrain> … published 2014, as in 2017 the document to be updated as an IS
16:41:25 <Makoto__> No, I do not think so.
16:41:26 <laudrain> … something needs to happen, the update has to be an IS
16:41:35 <laudrain> … in teh meeting,
16:41:43 <ivan> s/teh/the/
16:41:45 <Makoto__> +q
16:41:56 <ivan> ack leonardr
16:42:14 <laudrain> … decision of the committee was to move 3.0.1 with editotial
16:42:44 <laudrain> Makoto: SC34 secretary and I surprided by the committee decision
16:43:09 <laudrain> … it shoudl be possible to publish IS without rewriting
16:43:31 <laudrain> … shoudl JW7 cancel the decision or ignore it?
16:43:37 <ivan> s/shoudl/should/
16:43:50 <ivan> s/shoudl/should/
16:44:19 <laudrain> … cannot take updated document in fasttrack
16:44:22 <laudrain> q+
16:44:27 <laudrain> ack Makoto__
16:44:53 <laudrain> Makoto: will be discussed with the secretaries
16:45:54 <laudrain> Makoto: 3.0.1 to be publish as an IS should not be a problem
16:46:16 <laudrain> leonardr: LCP not enough countries to accept the ballot
16:46:29 <Makoto__> +q
16:46:33 <laudrain> … only Japan and Korea
16:46:36 <laudrain> ack laudrain
16:46:45 <laudrain> q+
16:47:13 <laudrain> … US rep said a conceptually gooidea, but concerns, Germany also
16:47:39 <laudrain> Makoto: 5 countries said yes but only 2 gave experts
16:48:21 <liisamk> ack Makoto___
16:48:28 <Makoto__> +q
16:49:03 <laudrain> … we need 3 more countries members on SC34 with expert
16:49:05 <ivan> ack Makoto__
16:49:08 <liisamk> q+
16:49:18 <ivan> q+
16:49:37 <ivan> ack laudrain
16:49:49 <laudrain> …Italy is in SC34
16:49:54 <laudrain> q?
16:49:59 <laudrain> ack liisamk
16:50:04 <ivan> q- ivan
16:50:12 <laudrain> Liisa: where to this discussion
16:50:24 <ivan> s/to/to follow/
16:50:28 <Makoto__> Outside the scope of this group
16:50:34 <laudrain> Luc: ISO TF
16:50:55 <laudrain> leonardr: LCP isn’t coming through W3C
16:51:07 <laudrain> Luc: call through EDRLab
16:51:07 <Makoto__> Agreed.
16:51:26 <leonardr> +1 for external coordination and notifications...
16:51:57 <laudrain> Liisa: let this group know?
16:52:22 <laudrain> Luc: mainly focused on EDRLab, I will contact Laurent with Makoto CC'ed
16:52:35 <laudrain> Topic: EPUB 3 FXL for Children’s Picture Books
16:53:03 <laudrain> Liisa: challenging customers to use that standard, best practices
16:53:22 <laudrain> Gath: is it fully conformant with 3.0.1
16:53:47 <laudrain> liisamk: distributed with small changes
16:53:54 <tzviya> +1 to standards
16:53:58 <laudrain> s/Gath/garth/
16:54:06 <Makoto__> Yes!
16:54:28 <dauwhe> present+ Leslie
16:54:37 <Julian_Calderazi> Me too Liisa, would be interesting to take a look to it.
16:54:41 <laudrain> ???: best practice through BISG?
16:54:47 <tzviya> s/???/Leslie
16:54:50 <laudrain> Liisa: within the CG
16:54:53 <Makoto__> +q
16:55:06 <garth> ack Makoto__
16:55:11 <ivan> ack Makoto__
16:55:11 <laudrain> dauwhe: the CG is working on best pratices for EPUB
16:55:27 <laudrain> Makoto: list of existing best practices ?
16:56:16 <laudrain> liisamk: we found a way to code these children books that work well, we want to share this as best practies
16:56:32 <Bill_Kasdorf> so, "best practice" = "this is the practice we've found to work best right now"?
16:56:45 <dauwhe> q+
16:56:48 <laudrain> garth: sounds good
16:57:10 <laudrain> Dahei: share the info in Japan as well
16:57:31 <rkwright> Readium would be very interested in seeing these "best practices" as they work in Readium 1/2/NG
16:57:41 <laudrain> dauwhe: sounds like the dream when we wrote the FXL specs, wonderful accomplishment
16:58:31 <laudrain> Liisa: if we publish BP within the CG, BillK would use coordination TF to make it known
16:58:44 <Makoto__> Bye, everybody.
16:59:01 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:59:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/05/22-pbg-minutes.html ivan
16:59:01 <ivan> zakim, bye
16:59:01 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
16:59:01 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
16:59:01 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been ivan, dauwhe, daihei, billm, Julian_Calderazi, Avneesh, tzviya, liisa, makoto, luc, rickj, liisamk, laudrain, Bill_Kasdorf,
16:59:01 <Zakim> Zakim has left #pbg
16:59:04 <Zakim> ... Leonard, Garth, pbelfanti, jensklingelhoefer, leslie