05:28:49 RRSAgent has joined #ilreq 05:28:49 logging to https://www.w3.org/2018/05/22-ilreq-irc 05:28:51 RRSAgent, make logs i18n 05:28:51 Zakim has joined #ilreq 05:28:53 Meeting: India International Program Teleconference 05:28:53 Date: 22 May 2018 05:29:33 Chair: Alolita 05:34:17 Akshat has joined #ilreq 05:34:47 present+ 05:35:21 present+ 05:35:42 scribenick Akshat 05:35:55 scribenick:Akshat 05:37:01 alolita: last time plan was to look at deva beng and tamil 05:37:22 ... links are already shared on agenda.... vivek muthu u got a chance to take a look at it? 05:37:56 Richard should we just walk thru documents? What is the flow to be followed? 05:38:13 richard: As you see fit....maybe as per your agenda topics... 05:39:28 alolita: i will go thru the agenda... 05:39:33 vivek has joined #ilreq 05:39:41 Topic: Actions 05:39:41 https://www.w3.org/International/groups/indic-layout/track/actions/open 05:39:41 Pipeline: https://github.com/w3c/iip/projects/1 05:39:50 first item was actions open... 05:40:17 ... there were two actions against me.... look who all can additionally participate 05:40:54 ... akshat neha you had suggested to add some names.. so had vivek.... 05:41:02 Vivek: shall i suggest names? 05:41:13 alolita: I will follow up with you... 05:41:50 ... other agenda items were MD Kulkarni to suggest some more folks involved? 05:41:59 Topic: InfoShare 05:42:09 Akshat: No we could not get change to talk to him... will update in next meeting... 05:42:24 alolita: sure... any other agenda items? 05:42:37 richard: had agenda item to widen number of participants... 05:43:26 ... south east asean Task force was set up differently... we wanted more participation... 05:44:06 ... they were to discuss things on github... and eventually they may form a document... 05:44:23 ... i would be monitoring their activity... 05:44:36 ... other was Japanese layout task force... 05:45:42 ... idea was to get more people... in terms of eyes to loook at it and provide feedback.... 05:46:15 alolita: idea seems to be good... i have a few questions on expert network of SEA team 05:46:45 ... 1. Is it because of there is not enough mass involved or priorities are higher over there? 05:47:04 richard: couple of things... we wanted to have more people involved... 05:47:06 ... 05:47:45 ... we were finding that people were a bit timid to contribute due to lack of exp with W3C... they were a bit busy as well... 05:47:58 alolita: so it is more passive way of interaction? 05:48:30 richard: well... yeah... they may contribute in terms of reviews but not document.... 05:48:49 alolita: what are views of the group? 05:49:08 ... there are couple of things that concern me... 05:49:28 ... as per my exp in working with open source... 05:49:38 ... it may become a become noisy... 05:50:32 muthu: I kind of agree... it does create a noise sometimes and causes discomfort to discussions... 05:50:52 alolita: that is my concern... yes... 05:51:19 ... github is quite open platform and if we do not respond it appears that we do not respond enough... 05:51:52 richard: people can anyway contribute to github... 05:52:36 vivek: i agree with muthu... 05:52:54 ... lets get some work going and then see if we need to involve more people... 05:53:19 ... smaller action items might help... people take ownership of them and get them through... 05:53:34 alolita: i would like to see active backlog maintained... 05:54:08 richard: agree.... 05:54:21 ... one more thing... in the past notifications came to the list... 05:54:32 ... iip repo... 05:54:56 ... now we have ability to mark css etc related issues as well... 05:55:09 alolita: that is great thing to have... 05:55:48 richard: I have done it for css, html, ttml... if you want me to add more... let me know 05:56:04 alolita: sure.. we can see as we go ahead... 05:56:13 ... anything else? 05:56:50 ... can we have a walk through with the devanagari document? 05:57:10 ... some of the links are still pointing to some other pages... 05:57:28 richard: sure.. these are your documents... you can edit them... 05:57:40 alolita: ok section 1...introduction... 05:57:55 Topic: Devanagari Gap Analysis 05:57:55 Objective: For sections 1-3, read and identify missing parts, provide feedback for discussion 05:57:55 Devanagari Gap-Analysis: https://w3c.github.io/iip/gap-analysis/deva-gap.html 05:59:17 vivek: may we should not read through.... many have read them... 05:59:22 alolita: that is fine... 05:59:37 vivek: i did not find them wrong... but needs some additions.. 06:00:02 muthu: (some question... how to do this maybe...) 06:00:29 muthu: how other scripts did it? how info was collected? 06:00:55 .. i was looking at tamil document.... 06:01:23 richard: there are two documents... 06:01:34 ... the categories were developed by me... 06:02:09 ... we can add categories....but we should go with the headings which are linked to the systems which produce output automatically... 06:02:23 ... maybe akshat and neha can add something more to that... 06:03:16 alolita: since C-DAC has done initial work... we can base our work on that... 06:04:51 akshat: initially the devanagari document had some info - we went through headers - we talked to language representatives and checked web platform specs for mentions 06:05:15 ... this reveals whether the issue is just implementation related or a breaking change 06:05:51 ... one tricky item is how to find features in the whole w3c stack, but sometimes tests helped 06:07:44 https://www.w3.org/International/tests/ 06:08:18 neha: we went through corpus...and consulted with internal language experts... 06:08:42 Akshat: we went through the tests to see if a particular feature is part of the recommendations... 06:09:18 alolita: can we know where are those tests... and who wrote them 06:09:39 richard: https://www.w3.org/International/tests/ 06:09:45 ... i wrote them 06:10:05 vivek: can we get reference to where is the source of information? 06:11:13 neha: we can try to provide links... image support is needed.... 06:11:30 alolita: we can use github... 06:12:01 richard: in this discussion we can also start raising issues here.... 06:12:48 ... eg. muthu talked about tamil numerals.. we can have this issue raised and get that going... we need not wait for call... 06:13:03 06:13:32 ... i agree with vivek... we need more links... need more tests as well... making tests can also be part of this work 06:13:53 ... having more evidences always helps... 06:14:17 alolita: any comments? 06:14:28 ... feel free to ask as we go along... 06:14:42 richard: guys can point to specs as well 06:15:41 akshat: richard can you please help us with how to navigate around specs... 06:16:05 http://w3c.github.io/typography/ 06:16:06 richard: you can ask me.... e.g. there is an index for css spec... 06:17:13 muthu__ has joined #ilreq 06:18:55 muthu has joined #ilreq 06:21:46 06:22:06 vivek: i had some questions... 06:22:34 ... because this is devanagari.... i do not see language representation.... 06:22:55 ... certain behaviours related to punctuations.... 06:23:11 ... e.g. hindi and kashmiri behave distinctly... 06:23:45 richard: if there are large number of differences.. we can create different docs... 06:24:08 ... but if they are small..we can list them here... in the same document.... 06:24:27 ... gap analysis is just pointing to things that do not work... 06:24:46 ... requirements document is more oriented towards the punctuations query... 06:25:27 vivek: i got the answer.... this broadly caters to all the languages... for specific different feature... it can be mentioned separately... 06:25:45 ... one of the additional comments i had was about encoding considerations... 06:26:17 ... when scripts cuts across languages.. it becomes hard for font makers.... 06:26:54 .... second is: glyph control.... there has been some effort in defining orthography... 06:27:13 ... there is no definition of appropriate glyph set.... 06:28:09 alolita: in gap analysis it is partly captured... 06:29:20 vivek: i would be happy to come with a document listing these things... 06:29:32 richard: i think we better do it by raising issues.... 06:30:11 muthu: i agree with vivek.... the challenge for font developers is to decide what all half and full forms to add in fonts... 06:30:49 vivek: yes agree muthu.... there is no document that says how exactly design a font in terms of glyph sets.... 06:31:12 alolita: as we go through these sections, we can have a common understanding... 06:32:27 vivek: i would be happy to list issues... how to do that? 06:32:57 https://github.com/w3c/iip/issues 06:33:01 richard: we can do it here... 06:33:11 ... https://github.com/w3c/iip/issues 06:33:40 ... we should keep issues to one particular thing....rather than mixing them up... 06:34:06 ... we can have discussions around that... 06:34:29 vivek: it seems to be a good way forward... 06:34:39 richard: we can refine it as we go ahead... 06:35:16 alolita: yes it will help a lot.... we are still warming up... 06:35:49 richard: yea.. we want most of the issues... 06:35:51 https://rawgit.com/w3c/iip/r12a-taml-quotations/gap-analysis/taml-gap.html#quotations 06:36:06 ... i have just raised question about tamil quotations... 06:36:20 ... https://rawgit.com/w3c/iip/r12a-taml-quotations/gap-analysis/taml-gap.html#quotations 06:36:38 .. we need discussions around it... 06:36:57 https://github.com/w3c/iip/pull/11/files 06:37:00 alolita: sure... 06:37:34 ... next call... every alternate thursdays... 06:38:54 ... i think we are done for today... anything else ? 06:39:14 richard: i have quick question... need similar section on devanagari and bengali... 06:39:38 alolita: sure... we can respond on the github... 06:40:23 ACTION: All review Tamil PR at https://github.com/w3c/iip/pull/11 with a view to using same section in Devanagari and Bengali 06:40:23 Error finding 'All'. You can review and register nicknames at . 06:40:42 rrsagent, draft minutes 06:40:42 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/05/22-ilreq-minutes.html r12a 06:41:30 rrsagent, make log public 06:48:07 ACTION: All review Tamil PR at https://github.com/w3c/iip/pull/11 with a view to using same section in Devanagari and Bengali 06:48:12 Created ACTION-5 - Review tamil pr at https://github.com/w3c/iip/pull/11 with a view to using same section in devanagari and bengali [on Alolita Sharma - due 2018-05-29]. 06:49:26 lgtm 06:50:52 all the attendees are not mentioned / how do we add them 06:51:09 zakim, who's here? 06:51:09 Present: Akshat, r12a 06:51:11 On IRC I see vivek, Zakim, RRSAgent, r12a, alolita, trackbot 06:51:31 present+ Vivek, Muthu, Neha, Alolita 06:51:42 rrsagent, draft minutes 06:51:42 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/05/22-ilreq-minutes.html r12a 06:51:47 Thank you Richard! 07:09:16 sure! have bookmarked the link 07:15:02 r12a has joined #ilreq 07:16:23 s/lgtm// 07:16:40 s|all the attendees are not mentioned / how do we add them|| 07:16:46 rrsagent, draft minutes 07:16:46 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/05/22-ilreq-minutes.html r12a 07:17:35 s/sure! have bookmarked the link// 07:17:46 s/Thank you Richard!// 07:21:10 rrsagent, draft minutes v2 07:21:10 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/05/22-ilreq-minutes.html r12a