IRC log of ilreq on 2018-05-22

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Meeting: India International Program Teleconference
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Date: 22 May 2018
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Chair: Alolita
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present+
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05:35:42 [Akshat]
scribenick Akshat
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scribenick:Akshat
05:37:01 [Akshat]
alolita: last time plan was to look at deva beng and tamil
05:37:22 [Akshat]
... links are already shared on agenda.... vivek muthu u got a chance to take a look at it?
05:37:56 [Akshat]
Richard should we just walk thru documents? What is the flow to be followed?
05:38:13 [Akshat]
richard: As you see fit....maybe as per your agenda topics...
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alolita: i will go thru the agenda...
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Topic: Actions
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https://www.w3.org/International/groups/indic-layout/track/actions/open
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Pipeline: https://github.com/w3c/iip/projects/1
05:39:50 [Akshat]
first item was actions open...
05:40:17 [Akshat]
... there were two actions against me.... look who all can additionally participate
05:40:54 [Akshat]
... akshat neha you had suggested to add some names.. so had vivek....
05:41:02 [Akshat]
Vivek: shall i suggest names?
05:41:13 [Akshat]
alolita: I will follow up with you...
05:41:50 [Akshat]
... other agenda items were MD Kulkarni to suggest some more folks involved?
05:41:59 [r12a]
Topic: InfoShare
05:42:09 [Akshat]
Akshat: No we could not get change to talk to him... will update in next meeting...
05:42:24 [Akshat]
alolita: sure... any other agenda items?
05:42:37 [Akshat]
richard: had agenda item to widen number of participants...
05:43:26 [Akshat]
... south east asean Task force was set up differently... we wanted more participation...
05:44:06 [Akshat]
... they were to discuss things on github... and eventually they may form a document...
05:44:23 [Akshat]
... i would be monitoring their activity...
05:44:36 [Akshat]
... other was Japanese layout task force...
05:45:42 [Akshat]
... idea was to get more people... in terms of eyes to loook at it and provide feedback....
05:46:15 [Akshat]
alolita: idea seems to be good... i have a few questions on expert network of SEA team
05:46:45 [Akshat]
... 1. Is it because of there is not enough mass involved or priorities are higher over there?
05:47:04 [Akshat]
richard: couple of things... we wanted to have more people involved...
05:47:06 [Akshat]
...
05:47:45 [Akshat]
... we were finding that people were a bit timid to contribute due to lack of exp with W3C... they were a bit busy as well...
05:47:58 [Akshat]
alolita: so it is more passive way of interaction?
05:48:30 [Akshat]
richard: well... yeah... they may contribute in terms of reviews but not document....
05:48:49 [Akshat]
alolita: what are views of the group?
05:49:08 [Akshat]
... there are couple of things that concern me...
05:49:28 [Akshat]
... as per my exp in working with open source...
05:49:38 [Akshat]
... it may become a become noisy...
05:50:32 [Akshat]
muthu: I kind of agree... it does create a noise sometimes and causes discomfort to discussions...
05:50:52 [Akshat]
alolita: that is my concern... yes...
05:51:19 [Akshat]
... github is quite open platform and if we do not respond it appears that we do not respond enough...
05:51:52 [Akshat]
richard: people can anyway contribute to github...
05:52:36 [Akshat]
vivek: i agree with muthu...
05:52:54 [Akshat]
... lets get some work going and then see if we need to involve more people...
05:53:19 [Akshat]
... smaller action items might help... people take ownership of them and get them through...
05:53:34 [Akshat]
alolita: i would like to see active backlog maintained...
05:54:08 [Akshat]
richard: agree....
05:54:21 [Akshat]
... one more thing... in the past notifications came to the list...
05:54:32 [Akshat]
... iip repo...
05:54:56 [Akshat]
... now we have ability to mark css etc related issues as well...
05:55:09 [Akshat]
alolita: that is great thing to have...
05:55:48 [Akshat]
richard: I have done it for css, html, ttml... if you want me to add more... let me know
05:56:04 [Akshat]
alolita: sure.. we can see as we go ahead...
05:56:13 [Akshat]
... anything else?
05:56:50 [Akshat]
... can we have a walk through with the devanagari document?
05:57:10 [Akshat]
... some of the links are still pointing to some other pages...
05:57:28 [Akshat]
richard: sure.. these are your documents... you can edit them...
05:57:40 [Akshat]
alolita: ok section 1...introduction...
05:57:55 [r12a]
Topic: Devanagari Gap Analysis
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Objective: For sections 1-3, read and identify missing parts, provide feedback for discussion
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Devanagari Gap-Analysis: https://w3c.github.io/iip/gap-analysis/deva-gap.html
05:59:17 [Akshat]
vivek: may we should not read through.... many have read them...
05:59:22 [Akshat]
alolita: that is fine...
05:59:37 [Akshat]
vivek: i did not find them wrong... but needs some additions..
06:00:02 [Akshat]
muthu: (some question... how to do this maybe...)
06:00:29 [Akshat]
muthu: how other scripts did it? how info was collected?
06:00:55 [Akshat]
.. i was looking at tamil document....
06:01:23 [Akshat]
richard: there are two documents...
06:01:34 [Akshat]
... the categories were developed by me...
06:02:09 [Akshat]
... we can add categories....but we should go with the headings which are linked to the systems which produce output automatically...
06:02:23 [Akshat]
... maybe akshat and neha can add something more to that...
06:03:16 [Akshat]
alolita: since C-DAC has done initial work... we can base our work on that...
06:04:51 [r12a]
akshat: initially the devanagari document had some info - we went through headers - we talked to language representatives and checked web platform specs for mentions
06:05:15 [r12a]
... this reveals whether the issue is just implementation related or a breaking change
06:05:51 [r12a]
... one tricky item is how to find features in the whole w3c stack, but sometimes tests helped
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https://www.w3.org/International/tests/
06:08:18 [Akshat]
neha: we went through corpus...and consulted with internal language experts...
06:08:42 [Akshat]
Akshat: we went through the tests to see if a particular feature is part of the recommendations...
06:09:18 [Akshat]
alolita: can we know where are those tests... and who wrote them
06:09:39 [Akshat]
richard: https://www.w3.org/International/tests/
06:09:45 [Akshat]
... i wrote them
06:10:05 [Akshat]
vivek: can we get reference to where is the source of information?
06:11:13 [Akshat]
neha: we can try to provide links... image support is needed....
06:11:30 [Akshat]
alolita: we can use github...
06:12:01 [Akshat]
richard: in this discussion we can also start raising issues here....
06:12:48 [Akshat]
... eg. muthu talked about tamil numerals.. we can have this issue raised and get that going... we need not wait for call...
06:13:03 [Akshat]
<everyone agrees>
06:13:32 [Akshat]
... i agree with vivek... we need more links... need more tests as well... making tests can also be part of this work
06:13:53 [Akshat]
... having more evidences always helps...
06:14:17 [Akshat]
alolita: any comments?
06:14:28 [Akshat]
... feel free to ask as we go along...
06:14:42 [Akshat]
richard: guys can point to specs as well
06:15:41 [Akshat]
akshat: richard can you please help us with how to navigate around specs...
06:16:05 [r12a]
http://w3c.github.io/typography/
06:16:06 [Akshat]
richard: you can ask me.... e.g. there is an index for css spec...
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<discussions around drafts and actual specs...>
06:22:06 [Akshat]
vivek: i had some questions...
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... because this is devanagari.... i do not see language representation....
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... certain behaviours related to punctuations....
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... e.g. hindi and kashmiri behave distinctly...
06:23:45 [Akshat]
richard: if there are large number of differences.. we can create different docs...
06:24:08 [Akshat]
... but if they are small..we can list them here... in the same document....
06:24:27 [Akshat]
... gap analysis is just pointing to things that do not work...
06:24:46 [Akshat]
... requirements document is more oriented towards the punctuations query...
06:25:27 [Akshat]
vivek: i got the answer.... this broadly caters to all the languages... for specific different feature... it can be mentioned separately...
06:25:45 [Akshat]
... one of the additional comments i had was about encoding considerations...
06:26:17 [Akshat]
... when scripts cuts across languages.. it becomes hard for font makers....
06:26:54 [Akshat]
.... second is: glyph control.... there has been some effort in defining orthography...
06:27:13 [Akshat]
... there is no definition of appropriate glyph set....
06:28:09 [Akshat]
alolita: in gap analysis it is partly captured...
06:29:20 [Akshat]
vivek: i would be happy to come with a document listing these things...
06:29:32 [Akshat]
richard: i think we better do it by raising issues....
06:30:11 [Akshat]
muthu: i agree with vivek.... the challenge for font developers is to decide what all half and full forms to add in fonts...
06:30:49 [Akshat]
vivek: yes agree muthu.... there is no document that says how exactly design a font in terms of glyph sets....
06:31:12 [Akshat]
alolita: as we go through these sections, we can have a common understanding...
06:32:27 [Akshat]
vivek: i would be happy to list issues... how to do that?
06:32:57 [r12a]
https://github.com/w3c/iip/issues
06:33:01 [Akshat]
richard: we can do it here...
06:33:11 [Akshat]
... https://github.com/w3c/iip/issues
06:33:40 [Akshat]
... we should keep issues to one particular thing....rather than mixing them up...
06:34:06 [Akshat]
... we can have discussions around that...
06:34:29 [Akshat]
vivek: it seems to be a good way forward...
06:34:39 [Akshat]
richard: we can refine it as we go ahead...
06:35:16 [Akshat]
alolita: yes it will help a lot.... we are still warming up...
06:35:49 [Akshat]
richard: yea.. we want most of the issues...
06:35:51 [r12a]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/iip/r12a-taml-quotations/gap-analysis/taml-gap.html#quotations
06:36:06 [Akshat]
... i have just raised question about tamil quotations...
06:36:20 [Akshat]
... https://rawgit.com/w3c/iip/r12a-taml-quotations/gap-analysis/taml-gap.html#quotations
06:36:38 [Akshat]
.. we need discussions around it...
06:36:57 [r12a]
https://github.com/w3c/iip/pull/11/files
06:37:00 [Akshat]
alolita: sure...
06:37:34 [Akshat]
... next call... every alternate thursdays...
06:38:54 [Akshat]
... i think we are done for today... anything else ?
06:39:14 [Akshat]
richard: i have quick question... need similar section on devanagari and bengali...
06:39:38 [Akshat]
alolita: sure... we can respond on the github...
06:40:23 [r12a]
ACTION: All review Tamil PR at https://github.com/w3c/iip/pull/11 with a view to using same section in Devanagari and Bengali
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ACTION: All review Tamil PR at https://github.com/w3c/iip/pull/11 with a view to using same section in Devanagari and Bengali
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Created ACTION-5 - Review tamil pr at https://github.com/w3c/iip/pull/11 with a view to using same section in devanagari and bengali [on Alolita Sharma - due 2018-05-29].
06:49:26 [alolita]
lgtm
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all the attendees are not mentioned / how do we add them
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s/lgtm//
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