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19:52:56 <PWinstanley> regrets+ Makx; DaveBrowning
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20:08:13 <SimonCox> Meeting: DXWG plenary 2018-05-15
20:08:29 <SimonCox> Topic: review agenda
20:08:31 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2018.05.15
20:08:53 <SimonCox> approved
20:09:06 <SimonCox> TOpic: approve minutes from last meeting
20:09:27 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2018/05/01-dxwg-minutes
20:09:42 <alejandra> present+
20:09:45 <SimonCox> +1
20:09:59 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
20:09:59 <alejandra> +1
20:10:02 <adamsisco> +1
20:10:17 <SimonCox> resolved: minutes approved
20:10:27 <PWinstanley> +1
20:10:37 <SimonCox> topic: approve minutes from f2f3
20:10:40 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2018/05/08-dxwg-minutes
20:10:57 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2018/05/09-dxwg-minutes
20:11:01 <SimonCox> +1
20:11:07 <PWinstanley> +1
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20:11:25 <AndreaPerego> present+ AndreaPerego
20:11:29 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
20:11:42 <alejandra> 0 (as was present remotely only for part of the meeting)
20:11:56 <SimonCox> https://www.w3.org/2018/05/08-dxwg-minutes
20:12:03 <SimonCox> https://www.w3.org/2018/05/09-dxwg-minutes
20:13:01 <SimonCox> resolved: minutes from f2f3 approved
20:13:08 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:13:44 <SimonCox> topic: DCAT FPWD
20:14:42 <PWinstanley> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2018May/0156.html
20:14:50 <SimonCox> https://www.w3.org/TR/2018/WD-vocab-dcat-2-20180508/
20:15:15 <SimonCox> PWinstanley: publicity required,
20:15:35 <SimonCox> .... draggett propose strategy:
20:15:45 <SimonCox> ... 1. wider geographical reach
20:16:07 <SimonCox> .... 2. emphasise proposed changes to draw attention to key points
20:16:27 <SimonCox> s/draggett/davebrowning/
20:16:39 <PWinstanley> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_f5CAZv7rgUjJH5YXkmD6w5xS6GX5X2AmEp_LMptAfQ/edit#gid=0
20:17:02 <SimonCox> ... look at engagement strategy spreadsheet
20:17:11 <SimonCox> ... divide and conquer
20:17:59 <SimonCox> ... PWinstanley has started linking issues to sections, to provide more narrative
20:18:34 <SimonCox> ... all participants should blog/post/tweet/share with lists to get widest coverage
20:18:42 <SimonCox> q+
20:19:13 <alejandra> q+
20:19:20 <PWinstanley> ack SimonCox
20:19:51 <SimonCox> PWinstanley: will circulate to ECEGOV participants
20:20:03 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
20:20:11 <PWinstanley> s/ECEGOV/ICEGOV/
20:20:30 <PWinstanley> SimonCox: PWinstanley  said he'd started creating links between issues and sections
20:21:26 <PWinstanley> * axiomatisation issues in revision Issue 110  The   axiomatization of DCAT 2014              [section 6.1] Issue 119  The   axiomatization of dcat
20:21:46 <PWinstanley> Issue 119  The   axiomatization of dcat:themeTaxonomy     [section 6.3.9]
20:22:23 <SimonCox> PWinstanley: we have issues and links within document, e.g. axiomatization mentioned in section 6.1, 6.3.9 but not joined up, will be easier to canvas if we have little checklists
20:22:45 <SimonCox> ... need to develop message to focus people's feedback:
20:23:10 <SimonCox> ... e.g. do you agree with X?, could there be an improvement with Y,? etc
20:23:23 <SimonCox> ... complex document, dofferent audiences will have different foci
20:23:37 <PWinstanley> s/dofferent/different/
20:23:42 <SimonCox> q?
20:23:47 <PWinstanley> ack alejandra
20:24:30 <SimonCox> alejandra: changes until now are not large, but many potential changes flagged
20:24:57 <SimonCox> ... at this point we want to publicise links from DCAT issues to UCR document
20:25:37 <SimonCox> ... though UCR is also complex! What is audience? Who do we expect to be engaged?
20:25:38 <SimonCox> q+
20:26:02 <SimonCox> ... q+ to clarify what is preferred feedback route?
20:26:20 <SimonCox> q+ to clarify what is preferred feedback route?
20:26:50 <PWinstanley> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
20:26:52 <SimonCox> PWinstanley: "DCAT is ideal for government data" needs to be generalized
20:27:09 <PWinstanley> q?
20:27:19 <SimonCox> Jaroslav_Pullmann: later changes about Services, Distribution are not in FPWD
20:27:53 <SimonCox> ... should we also point to subsequent direction around catalog scope?
20:29:00 <SimonCox> note that current throughts, as discussed in F2F3, can be seen here https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-service-simon/dcat/index.html
20:29:26 <SimonCox> See figure 1. https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-service-simon/dcat/index.html#vocabulary-overview
20:29:42 <PWinstanley> ack SimonCox
20:29:42 <Zakim> SimonCox, you wanted to clarify what is preferred feedback route?
20:30:10 <SimonCox> Jaroslav_Pullmann: need to emphasize Github issues
20:30:21 <SimonCox> PWinstanley: different routes for feedback:
20:30:38 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +q
20:30:54 <SimonCox> ... 1. email list - public-dxwg, and comments-dxwg
20:31:13 <PWinstanley> q?
20:31:15 <SimonCox> ... 2. but also request responses into Github issues!
20:31:22 <alejandra> There is this list: public-dxwg-comments@w3.org
20:31:37 <PWinstanley> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
20:31:39 <alejandra> it was used for the UCR document when we asked for feedback
20:32:50 <SimonCox> ... 3. can also respond through their DXWG member
20:33:00 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:33:18 <PWinstanley> ack AndreaPerego
20:34:19 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: since we must respond to all comments, we need to keep track of them
20:35:14 <SimonCox> PWinstanley: use og Github issues is unusually large, so the public comments are not separated out so clearly.
20:35:29 <PWinstanley> s/og/of/
20:35:48 <SimonCox> ... keeping authoritative public record not so easy :-( - or rather, it is more scattered
20:36:06 <SimonCox> s/og/of/
20:36:31 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
20:36:37 <PWinstanley> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
20:36:48 <SimonCox> ... important to keep evidence of responses, on spreadsheet provided by davebrowning
20:37:02 <SimonCox> Jaroslav_Pullmann: is their agreed text?
20:37:25 <SimonCox> PWinstanley: suggest tailoring message for different audiences
20:37:37 <SimonCox> s/their/there/
20:38:09 <SimonCox> ... particularly for personalised audiences
20:38:29 <SimonCox> Jaroslav_Pullmann: but we need to not miss important points?
20:39:17 <SimonCox> action: pw to draft skeleton messages
20:39:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-116 - Draft skeleton messages [on Peter Winstanley - due 2018-05-22].
20:39:45 <SimonCox> topic: report on f2f3
20:40:44 <PWinstanley> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2018May/0139.html
20:41:05 <SimonCox> PWinstanley: kcoyle posted consolidated list of points and agreements from f2f3
20:41:51 <SimonCox> ... we are beginning to create skeleton document for profile guidance
20:42:07 <PWinstanley> https://docs.google.com/document/d/15OfNXU9AJ-cZysc7uYP-Gks5dDa8n2B5IN6rWa3kRpo/edit#heading=h.7qilxn1v1shj
20:42:25 <SimonCox> ... which was main focus of f2f3
20:43:19 <SimonCox> ... much discussion on profiledesc vocabulary - does the group grok this?
20:44:05 <SimonCox> ... profiledesc is _not_ DCAT specific, so does it belong in profile guidance document?
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20:45:10 <SimonCox> .... plan is to discuss profiledesc at meeting on 2018-05-29, so everyone needs to be up to speed with profiledesc proposal so it can be discussed in plenary
20:45:20 <AndreaPerego> +1 from me
20:45:22 <PWinstanley> q?
20:45:23 <SimonCox> +1
20:45:28 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
20:45:38 <alejandra> +1
20:45:39 <adamsisco> +1
20:45:40 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:45:41 <PWinstanley> +1
20:46:10 <SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/tree/gh-pages/profiledesc
20:46:46 <SimonCox> topic: organization of profile guidance team
20:47:04 <AndreaPerego> q-
20:47:23 <SimonCox> PWinstanley: team = RObAtkinson, Kcoy;le, Antoine Isaac
20:47:29 <SimonCox> ... is this OK?
20:47:32 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:47:38 <PWinstanley> +1
20:47:39 <adamsisco> +1
20:47:47 <SimonCox> s/Kcoy;le/kcoyle/
20:47:48 <alejandra> +1
20:47:50 <SimonCox> q+
20:47:56 <PWinstanley> ack SimonCox
20:48:40 <SimonCox> SimonCox: does this include anyone who has worked on published DCAT application-profiles?
20:48:47 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
20:49:33 <SimonCox> ... validation of profiles guidance needs to be consistent with existing known profiles?
20:49:51 <AndreaPerego> I would be happy to contribute.
20:49:52 <PWinstanley> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
20:49:57 <SimonCox> PWinstanley: their input can be in group or reviewing outputs adfterwards
20:50:27 <SimonCox> Jaroslav_Pullmann: also need Lars and Ruben who are looking at profile negotiation aspect
20:50:29 <SimonCox> q+
20:51:23 <SimonCox> PWinstanley: these are not exclusive groups. What we are discussion is who *drives* the profile guidance issue, and then verifies that it meets plenary requirements
20:51:35 <SimonCox> s/discussion/discussing
20:52:06 <SimonCox> ... AndreaPerego will contribute, Lars will contribute, just not *driving* the topic
20:52:28 <SimonCox> q?
20:52:53 <SimonCox> rrsagent: draft minutes v2
20:52:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/05/15-dxwg-minutes.html SimonCox
20:53:15 <SimonCox> ... have been talking with Ruben, will he be able to put time in?
20:54:02 <SimonCox> ... goal at the moment is to form team who will ensure that progress is made
20:54:12 <AndreaPerego> regrets+ Antoine
20:54:28 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2018.05.15
20:54:35 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
20:54:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/05/15-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:54:35 <PWinstanley> ack SimonCox
20:55:24 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
20:55:28 <SimonCox> technical requirement for profile negotiation is simple: that a Profile has an IRI! (says lLars)
20:55:38 <SimonCox> s/ILars/Lars/
20:55:44 <PWinstanley> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/actions/open
20:55:51 <SimonCox> topic: open actions
20:57:48 <SimonCox> action #7 alejandra: to create a release for last commit for FPWD
20:57:48 <trackbot> Error finding '#7'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/track/users>.
20:58:17 <SimonCox> issues tagged for Andrea to stay open
20:59:21 <SimonCox> Jaroslav_Pullmann: unclear how to move new UCs from Github into UCR document
20:59:35 <SimonCox> ... do editing in GH, branch?
20:59:43 <SimonCox> ... discuss with kcoyla
21:00:20 <SimonCox> ... need to check if GH issues tagged 'Requirement' are not orphaned from logged UCs
21:00:28 <SimonCox> Times up!
21:00:41 <SimonCox> RRSAgent: generate minutes v2
21:00:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/05/15-dxwg-minutes.html SimonCox
21:01:43 <SimonCox> next meeting 2018-05-22 to be chaired by SimonCox
21:01:48 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, bye bye
21:01:51 <SimonCox> RRSAgent: generate minutes v2
21:01:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/05/15-dxwg-minutes.html SimonCox
21:01:53 <PWinstanley> bye
21:01:55 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> bye!
21:01:59 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present-
21:02:16 <PWinstanley> rrsagent, create minutes v2
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21:02:27 <SimonCox> bye