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14:59:44 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Steering Committee Telco
14:59:44 <ivan> Chair: liisa
14:59:44 <ivan> Date: 2018-05-04
14:59:44 <ivan> Regrets+ Luc, yoshii
14:59:44 <ivan> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/mid/597C76CE-DA1C-4187-AF2E-C85B8349DD26@penguinrandomhouse.com
14:59:45 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2018-05-04: https://www.w3.org/mid/597C76CE-DA1C-4187-AF2E-C85B8349DD26@penguinrandomhouse.com
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15:01:39 <dauwhe> Zakim, who is here?
15:01:39 <Zakim> Present: tzviya, Rachel, dauwhe
15:01:40 <liisamk> present+ liisamk
15:01:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see liisamk, George, RRSAgent, Zakim, Karen, Rachel, ivan, tzviya, dauwhe
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15:04:42 <dauwhe> RACHEL IS MY HERO
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15:05:10 <garth> scribenick: Garth
15:05:12 <ivan> scribenick: garth
15:05:36 <ivan> topic: epubcheck rnp draft
15:05:40 <garth> Topic: ebupcheck RFP draft
15:05:49 <garth> Some comments have been made.
15:05:56 <garth> More work?
15:06:06 <garth> Luc has suggested some updates
15:06:47 <tzviya> q+
15:07:17 <garth> Luc asked who will do evaluation and what will be th ecriteria
15:07:36 <RickJ> is there a link to the epubcheck RFP draft?
15:07:42 <garth> Ivan: may be able provide draft terms
15:07:52 <tzviya> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1g8Jt7M-at7Wa7vPI8G_hKMC6wsIr7ikR9Rq68FAXy0Q/edit?usp=sharing
15:08:15 <garth> Ivan: no he didn’t!  He doesn’t know if such things existing W3C
15:08:25 <Rachel> s/may be able provide draft terms/can't provide draft terms
15:08:36 <garth> Tzviya: will reach out to Wendy re possible draft term; perhaps in Berlin.
15:08:59 <liisamk> ack tzviya
15:09:03 <garth> s/existing W3C/exist withing the W3C/
15:10:29 <garth> Liisa: do we need more folks to evaluate the RPF?
15:10:33 <garth> q+
15:10:48 <Rachel> ack garth
15:11:08 <tzviya> q+
15:11:12 <Rachel> Garth: I think this group can evaluate and when it's done the PBG can see it to get more interest
15:11:19 <Rachel> ack tzviya
15:11:33 <garth> garth: I think this group vetting RPF is good; should be shared with BG — perhaps leads will come from there.
15:11:48 <garth> q?
15:12:26 <garth> tzviya Romain (sp?) should look at RPF… perhaps conflict of interest if DAISY bidding… but should be okay anyhow.
15:14:02 <tzviya> s/(sp?)//
15:14:46 <garth> Liisa: who’s this agreement really between, and we need to finalize funding handling.
15:14:47 <tzviya> q+
15:15:09 <garth> … W3M doesn’t want staff to solicit funds.
15:15:44 <George> q+
15:15:53 <garth> tzviya: call w/ Ralph; W3M won’t do fundraising, but will host platform for said collection.
15:15:56 <garth> ack tzviya
15:16:26 <garth> … Bill or Jeff maybe to set up, but not fundraise themselves.
15:16:38 <garth> Liisa: I will propose such a structure.
15:16:49 <garth> ack George
15:17:30 <garth> George: Great that W3C will be catcher for funds; but, how much overhead does this cost?  Better not be 52%!
15:18:16 <garth> Ivan: Veronica should be invovled with money stuff.
15:18:37 <garth> … discuss cost reduction.
15:18:47 <garth> George: is Web Foundation an option too?
15:19:00 <garth> Ivan: WP is prtetty darn seperate.
15:19:17 <ivan> s/WP/WM/
15:19:26 <ivan> s/WM/WF/
15:19:29 <garth> Garth: Readium possible?
15:20:01 <garth> s/Readium/EDRLab/
15:20:17 <garth> Liisa: could be an issue if they are bidding?
15:20:47 <garth> … Thus, W3C could be better.
15:21:08 <garth> Tzviya: need to see if there really is overhead.
15:21:17 <garth> Ivan: could answer that.
15:21:34 <tzviya> s/could answer/Veronica could answer
15:21:46 <garth> Ivan: if Ivan gets specific questions around this, he can likely chase down answers.
15:22:46 <garth> s/answers/answers (from Veronica, et al)/
15:23:16 <garth> Liisa: will get questions organized, George will review.
15:23:47 <garth> Topic: Manga Tokyo workshop
15:24:20 <garth> Ivan: no update; has been some disucssions… Bill, Flroian, Luc, Makoto, et al.
15:24:29 <garth> … nothing fresh to udpate.
15:25:22 <ivan> s/Flroian/Florian/
15:25:42 <garth> 7:00p Eastern call Tuesday the 8th (BG call)
15:25:48 <dauwhe> q+
15:26:03 <garth> Ivan/Liisa: good topic for that meeting as it’s APAC-ish timezone
15:26:08 <garth> q?
15:26:14 <garth> ack dauwhe
15:26:23 <tzviya> +1 to dauwhe
15:26:35 <garth> David: nervous that this might create funcky spec that nobody will implement
15:26:43 <garth> +1
15:27:02 <garth> s/funcky/funky/
15:27:23 <garth> Liisa: what if there is a 3.2+ recomendation out of this?
15:27:28 <ivan> q+
15:28:23 <garth> David: if requriemetns come up should come to CG, hopefullly with lots of implentation interest
15:28:38 <garth> Ivan: Workshop is just that, not a spec development effort
15:28:48 <Rachel> s/requriemetns/requirements
15:29:04 <garth> … CG can decide what if anything to do with any requirements.
15:29:12 <Rachel> ack ivan
15:29:51 <garth> Liisa: we’ll see what the update Tuesday yeilds
15:29:57 <garth> s/ei/ie/
15:30:35 <ivan> Topic: Kobo's review of WP
15:31:10 <ivan> survey: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publ-wg/2018Apr/att-0033/Wep_Pub_feedback.pdf
15:31:11 <tzviya> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publ-wg/2018Apr/0033.html
15:32:05 <garth> Ivan: Interesting.  Unclear who’s providing the data.
15:32:56 <garth> Tzviya: only 40% were following WP work
15:32:58 <RickJ> q+
15:33:12 <garth> … lots of EPUB 2 still
15:33:35 <garth> ack RickJ
15:33:54 <garth> Rick: not that many responses (only 10).
15:34:50 <garth> Liisa: Could be indicative of wider PR cmapaign for WP efforts.  But, not ready to do that yet.
15:35:05 <ivan> +1 to Liisa
15:35:14 <garth> q?
15:35:33 <RickJ> q+
15:35:39 <garth> Ivan: Good that Kobo did it, and could/shoud be done againm after more PR.
15:36:13 <garth> Bill: BISG can do this sort of stuff too.
15:36:15 <garth> ack RickJ
15:37:02 <garth> Rick: if we were to do this (mostly edu), we’d get mostly “this is why we hired you”.
15:38:14 <garth> Liisa: unclear what the target (level in org) this went to.  Hard to find the person to answer this sort of stuff.
15:38:32 <garth> topic: epubtest.org
15:39:05 <garth> George: Last week on BISG call… no solid solid plans for mainstrema (non A11y) testing.
15:39:07 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:39:16 <garth> … got okay to bifurcate mainstream and A11Y
15:39:32 <garth> … DAISY can move forward on A11Y
15:39:48 <RickJ> q+
15:39:51 <garth> … for EPUB 3.2 testing (if any) likely within W3C, not epubtest.org
15:40:28 <garth> … DAISY would archive of mainstream pieces (of epubtest.org) for A11Y focus
15:40:48 <garth> … issue of domain and hosting
15:41:13 <garth> … could move to DAISY
15:41:26 <dauwhe> q+
15:41:33 <garth> … Need concensus on what’s the story.
15:41:44 <ivan> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:42:16 <garth> BillK: Remainder that BISG hasn’t done hosting/devopment work — role was support only
15:42:49 <garth> … Technical aspects of mainstream testing belong with W3C
15:43:07 <garth> … timing is a concern… W3C will be aways out
15:44:13 <garth> … Agrees with George (as Brian @ BISG).  Bifurcation okay for now.  Where (if anywhere) does mainstream go for now.
15:45:02 <garth> Geroge: this is one asset to be traferred to W3C.  That’s still in legal limbo.
15:45:04 <garth> q?
15:45:29 <garth> ack RickJ
15:45:54 <garth> Rick: BISG: mainstream testing is pretty dead/stale.
15:46:09 <garth> … process is broken
15:46:35 <ivan> q+
15:46:39 <garth> ack dauwhe
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15:47:10 <garth> Dave: from CG’s perspective… will need tests for spec (3.2), should be on W3C
15:47:30 <liisamk> ack dauwhe
15:47:38 <garth> BillK: +1.  BISG should promote facilitation, not technical stuff
15:47:43 <garth> ack ivan
15:48:00 <garth> Ivan: What does it entail moving to W3C?
15:49:19 <garth> Geroge: DB was created for folks running tests… moved from original grid.
15:49:42 <RickJ> general assumption for moving this is that W3C needs to have a version of https://caniuse.com/ for EPUB.... is that a valid assumption?
15:49:58 <garth> … the A11Y side is getting updated
15:50:24 <garth> BillK: nobody admistering mainstream piece.   DB still exists.
15:50:30 <garth> Garth: But is very stale.
15:50:53 <Rachel> q+
15:50:55 <garth> q?
15:51:00 <garth> q+
15:51:32 <garth> ack Rachel
15:51:36 <dauwhe> q+
15:51:37 <ivan> q+
15:52:08 <garth> Rachel: Could this be merged into best practices in CG?
15:52:28 <garth> ack garth
15:52:33 <liisamk> q+
15:53:03 <liisamk> ack dauwhe
15:53:09 <garth> garth: Utility of mainstream RS testing has long past
15:53:22 <garth> Dave: Best practices are a better direction.
15:53:39 <liisamk> ack ivan
15:53:39 <garth> garth: EPUB spec testing is a different anmimal that could/should get done in the W3C
15:54:01 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:54:55 <garth> ivan: The W3C system team is small and restrictive — not lots of resources for likes of maint of issues, data, best practices.  Be real!  :-)
15:55:07 <dauwhe> q+
15:55:08 <garth> q?
15:55:34 <dauwhe> q-
15:55:50 <garth> Dave: kill mainsteam, maybe keep tests for future work.
15:55:53 <Rachel> +1 to not moving the database but grabbing some of the tests, etc
15:56:31 <garth> Liisa: Like’s Rick’s “caniuse” for EPUB (above)
15:56:36 <garth> s/‘’//
15:56:51 <garth> s/Like’s/Likes/
15:56:54 <garth> q?
15:56:58 <liisamk> ack liisamk
15:56:59 <garth> ack liisamk
15:57:06 <garth> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:57:06 <liisamk> ack Bill_Kasdorf
15:57:35 <garth> BillK: can DAISY keep hosting the A11Y and pull plug on mainstream?
15:57:39 <garth> George: yes
15:58:26 <garth> … need to deal with domain ownership
15:58:35 <garth> … could move to DAISY
15:58:49 <garth> q?
15:59:33 <garth> Ivan: That’s the least of the problems.  Can’ make commitment to use of system team resources.
15:59:42 <garth> q+
16:00:01 <garth> ack garth
16:00:53 <garth> garth: Plan: mainstream stuff to be archived snd shut down; DAISY to move ahead with A11Y stuff; W3C/CG has already grabbed tests.
16:00:57 <RickJ> I have to drop for another call.... thanks everyone
16:01:01 <ivan> q+
16:01:06 <garth> BillK: need to run by Brian at BISG
16:01:27 <garth> … should be proposal, not yet plan, until Brian buys in.
16:02:00 <garth> Liisa: Outta time!
16:02:28 <garth> … other agenda items for Tuesday APAC-time call.
16:02:34 <garth> Happy birthday Liisa!
16:02:35 <tzviya> :)
16:03:15 <dauwhe> resolved: Liisa *must* have a happy birthday.
16:04:05 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:04:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/05/04-pbgsc-minutes.html ivan