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20:10:13 <PWinstanley> chair: DaveBrowning
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20:10:28 <DaveBrowning> present+
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20:10:56 <DaveBrowning> scribe: stijn_goedertier_aiv
20:11:27 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> topic: 1. Confirm agenda
20:11:34 <alejandra> present+
20:11:39 <DaveBrowning> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.05.02
20:11:40 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.05.02
20:11:42 <AndreaPerego> present+ AndreaPerego
20:12:10 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> q+
20:12:11 <AndreaPerego> +1 from me.
20:12:16 <alejandra> +1
20:12:20 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
20:12:20 <DaveBrowning> ack stijn_goedertier_aiv
20:13:37 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> +1
20:14:02 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> topic: 2. Approve minutes from last meeting – https://www.w3.org/2018/04/25-dxwgdcat-minutes
20:14:06 <alejandra> +1
20:14:09 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:14:14 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> +1
20:14:16 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:14:22 <RiccardoAlbertoni> 0 ( i was absent)
20:14:52 <PWinstanley> +1
20:15:01 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> resolved: meetings of the last meeting approved
20:15:04 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
20:15:11 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, make logs world
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20:15:26 <DaveBrowning> topic: actions to finalize FPWD
20:15:50 <AndreaPerego> s/reagent, help//
20:16:01 <AndreaPerego> s/reagent, make logs public//
20:16:02 <alejandra> +q
20:16:05 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:16:16 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
20:16:44 <AndreaPerego> s/2. Approve minutes from last meeting/Approve minutes from last meeting/
20:16:55 <AndreaPerego> s/1. Confirm agenda/Confirm agenda/
20:16:58 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:17:06 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> DaveBrowning: asks about the status, who is doing what
20:17:53 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> Alejandra: The publication of the FPWD is in the hands of Dave Ragget
20:18:26 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> DaveBrowning: I assume that we can no longer merge pull requests in GitHub
20:18:59 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to have a branch ..
20:19:09 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> Alejandra: I confirm this is the case. I propose that we tag the commit that is to be used for the FPWD.
20:19:56 <AndreaPerego> What about creating a "release"? see: https://help.github.com/articles/creating-releases/
20:20:02 <PWinstanley> +1 to the idea of a branch - easier to find than a version point
20:20:20 <PWinstanley> or a 'release'
20:20:48 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> DaveBrowning: I am in favour of identifying the FPWD either by creating a tag or a branch
20:21:30 <alejandra> +1, I meant to have a release
20:21:31 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> Alejandra: Indeed, as Andrea points out, we can create a tag on git and it will show as a release on GitHub
20:21:31 <alejandra> https://help.github.com/articles/working-with-tags/
20:21:49 <alejandra> release is a particular tag
20:22:22 <DaveBrowning> proposed: on alejandra to contact Dave Raggett and co-ordinate setting up a release
20:22:37 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> +1
20:22:47 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:22:48 <alejandra> +1
20:22:48 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:22:49 <PWinstanley> +1
20:23:07 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:23:35 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
20:23:35 <DaveBrowning> action on alejandra to contact Dave Raggett and co-ordinate setting up a release
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20:23:51 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:23:56 <PWinstanley> q+
20:23:59 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
20:24:04 <DaveBrowning> ack PWinstanley
20:25:00 <AndreaPerego> action: alejandra to contact Dave Raggett and co-ordinate setting up a release
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20:26:05 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> PWinstanley: We need to ask for feedback on the FPWD. For DCAT to be a global standard, we also need to encourage people to give feedback acros the globe.
20:27:01 <PWinstanley> s/acros/across/
20:27:09 <DaveBrowning> ack jar
20:27:12 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> PWinstanley: we need to see how the wider W3C community can help us with that
20:27:15 <DaveBrowning> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
20:28:57 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> DaveBrowning: show we take this action to the plenary DXWG session, where there is a broader audience?
20:30:31 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> PWinstanley: We need to stimulate a broader discussion. We need to connect with more than the EC, JRC, ... there is lots of activity going on. We need to make sure that what we deliver is fit for purpose.
20:30:58 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> PWinstanley: We also need to reach out to America, Asia, Africa,...
20:31:01 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> q+
20:31:11 <DaveBrowning> ack stijn_goedertier_aiv
20:31:43 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
20:31:45 <AndreaPerego> What helped in previous groups (as the SDW WG) was organising sessions / workshop in specific events / conferences.
20:31:58 <alejandra> +q
20:32:02 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> q-
20:32:06 <DaveBrowning> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
20:32:15 <alejandra> q-
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20:32:41 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> stijn_goedertier_aiv: we can make a list of mailing lists, contact persons to notify ... e.g. on the wiki
20:33:00 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> Jaroslav_Pullmann: we already have a Google docs for this
20:35:28 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> PWinstanley: we need an active, personal engagement strategy to get feedback. There is too much GitHub traffic. We need to approach our personal contacts in a direct fashion.
20:36:02 <DaveBrowning> q?
20:37:17 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> Jaroslav_Pullmann: I agree. Therefore, we can use the UCR mechanism: the mailinglist and a Google docs to coordinate contacting people personally.
20:37:21 <AndreaPerego> +1. But besides this, it wouldn't harm some visibility via social media. As far as I remember, the UCR doc didn't even got a tweet from W3C official account - as it should have been.
20:38:02 <PWinstanley_> We need to develop  a brief engagement strategy with a timetable
20:38:07 <alejandra> +q
20:38:13 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
20:38:36 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> PWinstanley: emphasises that we need to connect with other geographies... we need to make a start with localising DCAT.
20:39:36 <PWinstanley_> W3C already has a global network of partner organisations ... they could work for us
20:39:36 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> alejandra: Conferences are a good channel. We could also contact organisations.
20:41:32 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> PWinstanley: We need to indicate on which topics we need feedback. We also need to summarise the areas where we have made changes and ask for feedback on those.
20:42:11 <DaveBrowning> propose:  DaveBrowning to draft a short comms strategy to highlight priorities and mechanisms to drive engagement on FPWD
20:42:28 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:42:28 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
20:42:29 <PWinstanley_> +1
20:42:36 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
20:43:04 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> +1
20:44:12 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> AndreaPerego: another approach is a W3C blog post that can be quite effective to attract feedback (incl. promotion on social media).
20:44:19 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
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20:44:27 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
20:44:36 <PWinstanley_> is there a technical press that we can engage with?
20:44:43 <Makx_> present+ Makx
20:44:48 <alejandra> +1
20:45:19 <DaveBrowning> action on DaveBrowning to draft a short comms strategy to bring together the above ideas
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20:45:31 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> resolved: DaveBrowning to draft a short comms strategy to highlight priorities and mechanisms to drive engagement on FPWD
20:45:39 <AndreaPerego> s/action on DaveBrowning /action: DaveBrowning /
20:45:47 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:46:07 <DaveBrowning> topic: DCAT activity at 3rd F2F
20:46:40 <alejandra> Agenda for F2F is here: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/F2f3
20:47:14 <PWinstanley_> q+
20:47:17 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> DaveBrowning: asks for feedback on the agenda
20:48:42 <AndreaPerego> ack PWinstanley_
20:48:46 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> DaveBrowning: the agenda does not really leave the opportunity for the DCAT sub group to discuss on DCAT in particular. Most of the F2F will be devoted to profiles and conneg.
20:49:25 <DaveBrowning> q?
20:49:43 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> PWinstanley: Karen and I are collecting ideas (by Monday 7/5 morning) for additional items to include on the F2F agenda
20:50:31 <PWinstanley_> Put anything you want considered for the agenda into the "disorganised list" in the https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/F2f3 doc
20:50:36 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> topic: Expanded scope of dcat:Catalog
20:50:54 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/172
20:51:02 <alejandra> This is the link to Simon's represention of the chosen solution: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/Cataloguing-data-services#chosen-solution
20:51:37 <alejandra> +q
20:51:43 <DaveBrowning> ack alej
20:51:45 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
20:54:21 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> alejandra: Simon has elaborated the proposal based on the previous meeting. It includes a generic class 'CataloguedItem' that could include (data) Services, such as a DataDistributionService, DataTransformationService, etc.
20:54:35 <PWinstanley_> but 'data' could include authentication and authorisation services, couldn't it?
20:54:47 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:55:05 <DaveBrowning> ack AndreaPerego
20:55:27 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> alejandra: I wonder if we should rather call 'Service' to be 'DataService'. I also wonder whether we would really need to distinguish all these types of service.
20:57:20 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> AndreaPerego: I agree that it may be difficult to come up with a complete typology (e.g. a code list) of services. This is probably better addressed in each specific domain. I think the major step forward is recognising the fact that we can use DCAT to describe  generic resources like DataService.
20:57:28 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:57:48 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to the chosen solution, and agreeing with andrea about taxonomy of services
20:57:49 <Makx_> +1 to Andrea
20:58:27 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> AndreaPerego: Regarding 'DataService', the services in a catalogue may not necessarily be classified as a 'DataService'.
20:58:29 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> q+
20:58:36 <DaveBrowning> ack stijn_goedertier_aiv
20:59:18 <alejandra> +q
20:59:25 <DaveBrowning> ack alejandra
21:01:03 <stijn_goedertier_aiv> DaveBrowning: suggests to continue to discussion next week or the week after.
21:01:05 <RiccardoAlbertoni> bye
21:01:07 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> bye!
21:01:07 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, bye bye!
21:01:12 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:01:50 <Makx_> bye
21:02:43 <AndreaPerego> meeting: DXWG DCAT subgroup teleconference
21:02:44 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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