14:00:24 RRSAgent has joined #tt 14:00:24 logging to https://www.w3.org/2018/04/19-tt-irc 14:00:26 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:00:26 Zakim has joined #tt 14:00:28 Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference 14:00:28 Date: 19 April 2018 14:00:37 Log: https://www.w3.org/2018/04/19-tt-irc 14:00:42 plh has joined #tt 14:01:32 cyril has joined #tt 14:02:36 Present: Philippe, Cyril, Glenn, Nigel 14:02:38 Chair: Nigel 14:02:40 scribe: nigel 14:02:43 Regrets: Pierre 14:02:47 Topic: This meeting 14:04:32 Present+ Andreas 14:05:20 Regreta+ Thierry 14:05:28 s/Regreta+ Thierry/ 14:05:32 Regrets+ Thierry 14:05:41 Philippe: Thierry sends his regrets until May 11. 14:06:11 atai2 has joined #tt 14:06:29 Nigel: Today, for the agenda we have Charter, TTML1 3ED CR publication, TTML2, 14:08:02 .. IMSC 1.1 CR transition, CSS, WebVTT CR transition. 14:08:19 Nigel: For AOB, I'd like to point to the AD Community Group I proposed, for general interest. 14:08:43 .. Any other business or particular points to cover? 14:08:46 group: [silence] 14:08:57 Topic: TTWG Charter 14:08:58 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2018AprJun/0008.html 14:09:23 Philippe: The Charter went out for AC review earlier today. The only change that was done 14:09:33 .. to the Charter was to re-add the explicit mention of the APA group in the dependencies. 14:09:47 .. One of the things that we do right now for a transition is to check the dependency list 14:10:02 .. - operationally it should not make any difference to you guys. If you try to move forward 14:10:12 .. without proper vetting from the accessibility group you are going to be called out. 14:10:23 .. I made some very minor tweaks in a separate pull request. The end of the review 14:10:39 .. period is May 17. We expect the new Charter to begin around end of May, which matches 14:10:53 .. the end date of the current Charter. Unless things go wild during AC review you should 14:11:01 .. keep doing what you are doing, no disruption for the WG. 14:11:10 Nigel: Thank you. I did see the APA thing and comment on it. 14:11:30 .. The only other thing I noticed recently is that a change to our Decision Policy slipped in, 14:11:35 .. and I raised an issue to revert it. 14:12:16 Philippe: At this point to make a change like that we would need the feedback through the 14:12:34 .. AC. If your AC rep points to that issue, that would be very helpful. 14:12:49 .. Alternatively if anyone would rather not make that change, make sure that is surfaced 14:12:52 .. in the AC review too. 14:14:05 Glenn: It does not sound like it would make much difference so I recommend making no change. 14:14:14 -> https://github.com/w3c/charter-timed-text/issues/27 Revert Decision Policy? #27 14:14:26 Nigel: I would rather not have the discretion here. 14:14:38 Philippe: I am ambivalent on this. The cost to make the change is minimal as far as I know. 14:15:21 Nigel: Thank you Philippe. 14:15:30 Glenn: At least Skynav and IRT have already responded. 14:15:43 Philippe: Great, thank you. I will provide reminders as the time approaches. 14:16:00 Topic: TTML1 3rd Ed CR 14:16:20 Philippe: My understanding is the Director has made a decision but the document has not 14:16:31 .. been published so I will take care of it at the top of my list. It has not been done because 14:16:36 .. Thierry has not been around. 14:17:28 .. I will reach out to Pierre to make sure that what I publish is what you guys want me to 14:17:33 .. publish on that. 14:17:41 .. I'm going to shoot for publication on Tuesday. 14:17:52 Nigel: That would be great. 14:18:04 Glenn: If there's a difficulty I can step in but Pierre is on point for this right now. 14:18:58 Nigel: There's one open editorial issue, #349, which I would rather be fixed if possible, 14:19:23 .. but I'd rather publish as soon as possible even with that issue not fixed. 14:19:29 Philippe: Ok 14:19:51 Nigel: Glenn has proposed a pull request that is equivalent for TTML2, so it should be easy to back-port to TTML1 3rd Ed. 14:20:57 Topic: TTML2 14:21:13 Glenn: There are a few pull requests that are lacking review so I'd appreciate you looking at 14:21:22 .. them Nigel, 701, 705, 707 and 716. 14:21:34 Nigel: Apologies, I've been away, I'll get on to those. 14:21:42 Glenn: Thanks, other than that I don't have anything else to raise. 14:21:56 .. There are 3 older pull requests I need to get to, and I'm expecting to be able to spend 14:22:06 .. time on TTML2 shortly and dig into the existing issues that don't have pull requests. 14:23:35 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-cfe/2018Mar/0005.html 14:24:13 .. My goal would be to plan for a CR2, I'm trying to think of a good target for publication. 14:24:25 Philippe: With regards to the call for exclusion, you can safely ignore it. 14:24:40 .. It only starts the clock on the diff between CR1 and CR2. 14:24:48 Glenn: Okay we need to see what the substantive changes are. 14:25:07 .. I'm hoping to have it wrapped up at the latest by the end of May but I'd like to try before 14:25:24 .. that, maybe mid-May if possible, let's say May 15. 14:25:46 Nigel: For a version of the spec for the WG to review for publication? 14:26:00 Glenn: If we take that into account, I'd like to publish by end of May, so I'll definitely aim for May 15. 14:26:15 .. I'm still trying to get to a July 1 Rec date, so if we push to end of May for beginning review 14:26:23 .. then that's really tight. 14:26:30 https://w3c.github.io/spec-releases/milestones/?rec=2018-07-03 14:26:56 Philippe: The latest date to publish the CR is April 17! 14:27:00 Glenn: okay, we've missed that. 14:27:25 Philippe: There are several constraints - you need 4 weeks for AC review, so that's one month, 14:27:37 .. and you should count in general 1 week for Director decision and publication assuming 14:27:51 .. we do not receive any objections and the stars are aligned for publication. 14:28:05 .. Another constraint is the patent policy, so the end of AC review cannot be later than 10 14:28:17 .. days after the end of the exclusion period. 14:28:35 Glenn: Clearly we're not going to get to Rec by July 1 so probably the best we can hope for 14:28:41 .. is getting to PR by July 1. 14:29:03 Philippe: If you publish an updated CR on June 5 then the PR will be mid-July at the earliest. 14:29:32 .. If you want PR at beginning of June then you need to publish the updated CR on 24th April. 14:29:42 Glenn: Okay, so looks like we might be mid-June at the earliest for the PR. 14:30:37 Topic: IMSC 14:30:51 Nigel: Where are we up to with IMSC 1.0.1 Rec publication? 14:31:05 Philippe: It looks like this fell into a crack. We got full support, so I'm going to try to get 14:31:17 .. Director approval by tomorrow afternoon for publication on Tuesday if I can squeeze it in. 14:32:13 Nigel: I'm aware of other external groups waiting for IMSC 1.0.1 Rec publication too. 14:32:18 Philippe: I'll do it for Tuesday. 14:32:20 Nigel: Thank you! 14:32:51 s/Topic: IMSC/Topic: IMSC 1.0.1 14:33:11 Topic: IMSC 1.1 CR 14:33:19 Nigel: We made the resolution so we need the transition request. 14:33:33 Philippe: This will probably not happen until next week so I'll send you a draft on Monday 14:33:47 .. probably Nigel, if you don't get it then ping me, hopefully that will mean we can publish 14:33:53 .. on Tuesday the following week. 14:33:56 Nigel: Okay, thank you! 14:35:41 Topic: CSS actions 14:35:55 Andreas: One member who had a leading role presenting issues in the joint meeting was 14:36:07 .. Pierre so I'm reluctant to discuss the issues without him, I would rather wait until next week. 14:36:51 Nigel: Okay, I just want to highlight for the minutes that work has happened in CSS WG 14:37:04 .. and note that Pierre and I have made some comments. I'd like to encourage any other 14:37:18 .. members of TTWG to review those issues and contribute any other views, supporting or 14:37:21 .. otherwise. 14:37:42 -> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1975 [css-sizing][css-align][css-text] Aligning an aligned block of text within its container 14:37:56 -> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1974 [css-inline] Allow background of an inline area to extend to before-and after-edges of the line area 14:38:21 -> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/1973 [css-inline][css-text-4] Allow padding to be applied at line start and end 14:38:41 Nigel: We can come back to these issues for further discussion next week assuming we're quorate. 14:39:33 Topic: WebVTT CR publication, actions 14:39:54 Nigel: David closed the call for consensus saying it passes, and I think he has asked for a 14:39:59 .. transition request to be prepared. 14:40:19 Philippe: I need to do something similar as with IMSC 1.1. 14:40:25 .. Which one came first? 14:40:35 Nigel: The IMSC 1.1 decision was declared first. 14:40:44 Philippe: Then I will put WebVTT at the bottom of my queue. 14:42:01 Nigel: I want to close off the two outstanding issues on this, which have been cluttering the agenda 14:42:09 .. pointlessly for years I think: 14:42:12 action-396? 14:42:12 action-396 -- David Singer to Produce evidence of request for wide review for webvtt, for the archive -- due 2015-04-17 -- OPEN 14:42:12 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396 14:42:28 close action-396 14:42:28 Closed action-396. 14:42:37 Nigel: I believe David considers this done! 14:42:41 action-502? 14:42:41 action-502 -- Thierry Michel to Explain to david that we need a more consistent disposition of comments for webvtt. -- due 2017-08-10 -- OPEN 14:42:41 http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/502 14:43:13 Nigel: If Thierry hasn't done this yet then I'm surprised. Reopen if necessary please. 14:43:16 close action-502 14:43:16 Closed action-502. 14:43:38 Topic: AD Community Group 14:44:34 -> https://www.w3.org/community/blog/2018/04/05/proposed-group-audio-description-community-group/ Proposed Group: Audio Description Community Group 14:44:47 Nigel: I proposed this on April 5, and it now has 13 supporters. 14:45:42 .. The idea is to create a profile of TTML2 for AD, eventually to be added to the TTWG Charter 14:45:47 .. for Rec track later. 14:46:15 Philippe: If you want to add this to the Charter then that can be done by discussion with 14:46:28 .. Thierry, Wendy et al. Similarly if you want to create a new WG, talk to Wendy. 14:46:46 .. FYI they are tracking those type of things in GitHub so you can go there and add them 14:46:50 .. to their list. 14:46:51 https://github.com/w3c/strategy/projects/2 14:46:59 Nigel: Great, thank you. 14:47:36 Nigel: Who looks after the creation of the CG? 14:48:05 Philippe: Let me find out - I'll make sure the right person presses the right button! 14:48:08 Nigel: Okay, thank you. 14:49:02 .. By the way, we will be looking for an Editor for that AD profile. 14:50:08 Topic: Meeting close 14:50:26 Nigel: We've hit the end of our agenda, so thank you everyone, have the rest of the time back! [adjourns meeting] 14:50:29 rrsagent, make minutes 14:50:29 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/04/19-tt-minutes.html nigel 14:52:28 CG has been approved 14:59:27 -> https://www.w3.org/community/audio-description/ AD Community Group 14:59:32 Nigel: Thank you! 15:01:36 scribeOptions: -final -noEmbedDiagnostics 15:01:39 rrsagent, make minutes 15:01:39 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/04/19-tt-minutes.html nigel 15:49:48 nigel has changed the topic to: TTWG meetings Thursdays 1000 Boston time. Next agenda to be published Tuesday or Wednesday. 16:27:47 Zakim has left #tt