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14:59:36 <ivan> Meeting: Publishing Working Group Telco
14:59:36 <ivan> Chair: Garth
14:59:36 <ivan> Date: 2018-04-06
14:59:36 <ivan> Regrets+ vlad, jmulliken, nickruffilo
14:59:36 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publ-wg/2018Apr/0001.html
14:59:37 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2018-04-06: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publ-wg/2018Apr/0001.html
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16:04:53 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/Meetings/Minutes/2018/2018-03-26-pwg
16:04:53 <wolfgang> Topic 1: Approve minutes
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16:04:57 <garth> present+ Garth
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16:05:47 <wolfgang> Resolved: Minutes approved
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16:06:12 <wolfgang> Topic 2: Review and augment F2F Agenda
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16:06:17 <timCole> present+ Tim_Cole
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16:06:34 <garth> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Qe8Q8wMC1LKy_-JO-UCy8bFw4D4VN0si1Q5EPW9c-rY/edit#
16:06:38 <wolfgang> garth: suggested set of topics for F2F
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16:07:21 <wolfgang> ... not yet topics applied to time schedule
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16:08:24 <wolfgang> ivan: we should run through these topics, gauge the needed time for each one
16:08:51 <garth> q?
16:08:51 <wolfgang> ... you want me to explain various items?
16:09:13 <wolfgang> ... 2 weeks ago report on epub 3.2
16:09:34 <wolfgang> ... lot of things led to this effort
16:09:53 <wolfgang> ... relationship between 3.2 info set and our work
16:10:37 <wolfgang> ... Business Group possibly working on ISO standardization of EPUB
16:11:44 <wolfgang> ... finalizing WP info set (final set of items)
16:12:19 <wolfgang> ... 2 TFs: Manifest and Affordances TF - would like to decide on WAM or not-WAM issue
16:12:32 <tzviya> q+
16:12:38 <wolfgang> ... Affordances quite clear, but has to be done
16:13:04 <wolfgang> ... 3.2 impact and related issue (first item on the first day?)
16:13:11 <laurentlemeur> note: on gotomeeting, for phone users, mute/unmute is *6
16:13:33 <wolfgang> ... any question?
16:13:51 <wolfgang> tzviya: 1 hour for summary wrapup, action items
16:14:47 <wolfgang> ... maybe reserve 2 hours for this or even whole afternoon - we need assignments and plan how to go forward
16:15:00 <wolfgang> ivan: I agree
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16:15:50 <wolfgang> ... the implementation strategies and plans quite complicated - maybe just outline some alternatives
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16:16:32 <wolfgang> ... is there any report on Sync CG?
16:17:10 <wolfgang> Marisa: it would be good to update everybody at F2F
16:17:44 <wolfgang> ivan: testing - we don't have too many testable structures as manifest issue is still open
16:18:20 <wolfgang> ... item on packaging - we had some work on that in PWP part
16:18:45 <wolfgang> we should move ahead but exact packing format is out of our hands
16:19:39 <wolfgang> ... Accessibility ,e.g. page number equivalents
16:19:56 <Avneesh> q+
16:20:21 <garth> q?
16:20:24 <wolfgang> ... UA vs. Publication responsibility is not only a11y, but general question
16:20:38 <garth> ack tzviya
16:21:10 <wolfgang> tzviya: page numbers - not specific for WP, but also for HTML
16:21:53 <wolfgang> garth: in EPUB 3.2 as an affordance or info set item or ...
16:22:14 <wolfgang> tzviya: maybe not an issue for this WG
16:22:35 <wolfgang> garth: in 3.2 page-map
16:22:53 <wolfgang> tzviya: added this to DPUB-ARIA
16:22:58 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-aria-1.0/#doc-pagelist
16:23:07 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-aria-1.0/#doc-pagebreak
16:23:23 <wolfgang> dauwhe: ol in HTML
16:23:27 <laudrain> q+
16:23:37 <wolfgang> tzviya: some of this may be solved already
16:24:13 <garth> http://www.idpf.org/epub/301/spec/epub-contentdocs.html#sec-xhtml-nav-def-types-pagelist
16:24:30 <garth> q?
16:24:34 <garth> ack Avneesh
16:24:37 <wolfgang> avneesh: even there is ARIA-role pagebreak available, will come perhaps a bit later, but extremely important for education
16:24:38 <laudrain> ack Avn
16:25:58 <George> I agree with Ivan that everybody wants page functionality.
16:26:00 <wolfgang> ivan: not as a separate a11y issue - go to print page number equivalent, see it rather as an affordance
16:26:00 <garth> ack laudrain
16:26:04 <garth> q?
16:27:00 <wolfgang> luc: discussions with romain about epub-types and ARIA-roles - 2 different things because epub:type for structural semantics and ARIA role for A11Y
16:27:18 <wolfgang> ... we need structural semantics in WP
16:28:00 <wolfgang> avneesh: implementation should be accessible, but what happens if it is not - will it fail?
16:28:34 <wolfgang> ivan: exact list of conformance criteria needed to check whether an implementation is conformant
16:28:38 <garth> q?
16:29:06 <wolfgang> ivan: Did we miss any major topic
16:29:16 <wolfgang> ... we should handle in Toronto?
16:30:04 <bigbluehat> ivan: I'd like us to demo implementations of "web publications" (lowercase)
16:30:10 <wolfgang> garth: feel free to add your contribution until Wednesday
16:30:40 <wolfgang> ... as comment or additional bullet points
16:30:55 <garth> q?
16:31:09 <wolfgang> ivan: are we OK?
16:31:37 <garth> q?
16:31:44 <wolfgang> Topic 3: late breaking news from WAM or Affordances TF or AOB
16:32:03 <rdeltour> rdeltour: no progress from the WAM TF… :(
16:32:32 <dauwhe> EPUB3 CG meets this Thursday at 16UTC
16:32:36 <wolfgang> tzviya: any next meeting to announce for the 2 Task Forces?
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