IRC log of dxwgdcat on 2018-04-04

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meeting: DCAT team 2014-04-04
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agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.04.04
19:52:10 [SimonCox]
present+
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chair: SimonCox
19:52:31 [SimonCox]
regrets: ArminHaller
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present?
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zakim: who is present?
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rrsagent: present?
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19:53:40 [SimonCox]
zakim, who is present?
19:53:40 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, SimonCox.
19:53:49 [SimonCox]
zakim, present?
19:53:49 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, SimonCox.
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present+
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present+
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present+
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present+
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scribenick: NicholasCar
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scribe NicholasCar
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TOPIC: confirm agenda
20:06:01 [SimonCox]
https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.04.04
20:06:14 [DaveBrowning]
present+
20:06:58 [alejandra]
could we maybe discuss the pending pull request: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/183 ?
20:08:38 [alejandra]
ok, thanks
20:08:55 [alejandra]
SimonCox: we can slot that topic in after we heard from Rob
20:09:05 [NicholasCar]
TOPIC: confirm minutes for last week
20:09:08 [SimonCox]
topic: confirm minutes
20:09:08 [SimonCox]
https://www.w3.org/2018/03/28-dxwgdcat-minutes
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0 (wasn't present)
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+1
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+1
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+1
20:09:38 [AndreaPerego]
present+ AndreaPerego
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+1
20:09:51 [NicholasCar]
+1
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+0
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RESOLVED: confirm munutes for last week
20:10:20 [NicholasCar]
TOPIC: new chair required next week
20:10:49 [alejandra]
I'm on leave and not sure if I will be able to join (depending on wifi availability)
20:11:07 [NicholasCar]
I have nothing particular on
20:11:13 [roba]
maybe skip next week?
20:11:17 [NicholasCar]
no!
20:11:23 [NicholasCar]
no!
20:11:38 [NicholasCar]
ACTION: Simon to contact Peter to chair next week
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20:12:01 [NicholasCar]
TOPIC: reminder about working spaces
20:12:34 [NicholasCar]
SimonCox: please draft material in wiki spaces
20:12:54 [NicholasCar]
SimonCox: collaboration process will be explained better soon (today)
20:13:04 [NicholasCar]
TOPIC: RobA will report on profiles work
20:13:06 [SimonCox]
q?
20:13:12 [NicholasCar]
q+
20:13:42 [SimonCox]
Please use https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/DCAT-Profiles-Topics
20:13:58 [NicholasCar]
RobA: only a mall group, Reuben, Lars and him, mostly about HTTP headers
20:14:11 [roba]
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/tree/roba-profile/dcat/rdf
20:14:40 [NicholasCar]
RobA: has introduced a profile.ttl and profile_examples.ttl ontology and examples of profiling
20:15:25 [AndreaPerego]
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20:15:48 [NicholasCar]
SimonCox: suggests use of wiki to introduce profiles work not in RDF (accessible)
20:15:57 [AndreaPerego]
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20:16:57 [NicholasCar]
q?
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ack NicholasCar
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preent+ Makx
20:17:36 [alejandra]
NicholasCar: first to say that the profiling work is important for W3C in general to address it
20:17:52 [alejandra]
... I propose to separate out from the DCAT work in its own module
20:18:05 [Makx]
present+ Makx
20:18:07 [alejandra]
... I've written out a summary
20:18:27 [alejandra]
... I've sent it to kcoyle and she has sent me comments
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... I haven't read it in detail but she suggests that separating out could be done in the F2F
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... we've proposed a few profiles (e.g. DCAT 2014 as a profile of the revised DCAT)
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... three different implementations happening anyway
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q+
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... RobA's ontology
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q?
20:20:11 [alejandra]
... I started to write up what is a profile and how to use it
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ack roba
20:20:38 [NicholasCar]
(thanks for scribing Alejandra!)
20:20:56 [NicholasCar]
RobA: profiling is metadata about profiling, not a methodology
20:21:10 [alejandra]
is there a link to that ontology?
20:21:21 [NicholasCar]
RobA: doesn't intend to replace a constraints language
20:21:24 [alejandra]
is it in the branch you pointed out?
20:21:30 [SimonCox]
q?
20:21:33 [NicholasCar]
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/tree/roba-profile/dcat/rdf
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link to obt above
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s/obt/ont/
20:22:06 [NicholasCar]
q+
20:22:11 [roba]
i will put up a wiki page too
20:22:22 [NicholasCar]
q-
20:22:36 [NicholasCar]
I was going to suggest work on a wiki page as next step regardless
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ACTION: RobA to extablish a profiles wiki page
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20:24:22 [AndreaPerego]
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TOPIC: address outstanding pull request for ED
20:24:46 [SimonCox]
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/183
20:25:32 [NicholasCar]
SimonCox: the pull adds in red boxes to the draft
20:25:35 [SimonCox]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-catalog-scope-simon/dcat/index.html
20:26:43 [alejandra]
+q
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ack alejandra
20:26:54 [Jaroslav_Pullmann]
+q
20:27:28 [NicholasCar]
SimonCox: inclusions in document after issue, are these ok?
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ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
20:27:49 [NicholasCar]
alejandra: changes to text only and they are useful so should be ok
20:28:18 [AndreaPerego]
I think that, formally, we need a resolution from the DCAT group, and after ask a vote (via mail) from the WG
20:28:23 [NicholasCar]
Jaroslav_Pullmann: scope extension is significat, should be included
20:28:29 [SimonCox]
Proposed: accept PR 183 for FPWD
20:28:40 [alejandra]
+1
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+1
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0
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0
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0
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+1
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+1
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20:29:23 [roba]
* nick pass scribe baton to me when you wish...
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RESOLUTION: accept PR 183 for FPWD
20:29:41 [AndreaPerego]
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20:29:47 [NicholasCar]
(fine rob, unless you really want to do this!)
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TOPIC: license and rights
20:30:03 [roba]
* not really :-) thanks
20:30:07 [SimonCox]
domain https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/104 - MakxDekkers
20:30:11 [alejandra]
+q
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q-
20:31:27 [NicholasCar]
ACTION: SimonCox to report pull req decision to Karen
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20:31:38 [SimonCox]
Makx not on audio?
20:32:15 [SimonCox]
do this first then: range https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/114 - NicholasCar
20:33:05 [AndreaPerego]
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20:33:11 [alejandra]
NicholasCar: I had promised to present to the group more thoughts and the outcome of having a relaxed range would be
20:33:34 [alejandra]
... I've looked at ODRL v2
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... no mention of licenses in ODRL v2 but my understanding is that would fall into Agreement
20:34:15 [alejandra]
... I've looked into common licenses and started to break them down into their parts
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... it makes sense to express licenses in ODRL v2 way
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q?
20:35:20 [AndreaPerego]
q+
20:35:59 [alejandra]
NicholasCar: I did a small extension of ODRL 2 to add License
20:36:13 [AndreaPerego]
q+ to note POE WG publish BPs which include a section on how to represent standard licences - http://w3c.github.io/poe/bp/
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ack AndreaPerego
20:36:26 [Zakim]
AndreaPerego, you wanted to note POE WG publish BPs which include a section on how to represent standard licences - http://w3c.github.io/poe/bp/
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20:37:31 [alejandra]
NicholasCar: I was thinkin on contacting ODRL people
20:37:39 [Jaroslav_Pullmann_]
q+
20:37:40 [alejandra]
s/thinkin/thinking
20:38:14 [SimonCox]
(Renato Iannella is in Brisbane!)
20:38:24 [Jaroslav_Pullmann_]
Andrea, do you have a link to the mentioned work of the ODRL group?
20:38:32 [AndreaPerego]
http://w3c.github.io/poe/bp/
20:38:48 [Jaroslav_Pullmann_]
thanks!
20:38:49 [SimonCox]
q?
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ack Jaroslav_Pullmann_
20:38:59 [NicholasCar]
SimonCox: this is a test of the completed ODRL2 work
20:39:31 [alejandra]
Jaroslav_Pullmann_: what is the objective?
20:39:41 [alejandra]
NicholasCar: allow a machine express a license
20:39:57 [alejandra]
... automatically surface certain message that people might need to agree to
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... restrict access to data
20:40:13 [Makx]
q+
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q+
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q?
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q+
20:41:54 [NicholasCar]
Jaroslav_Pullmann: will be meeting ODRL@ colleagues next week in Vienna
20:42:24 [SimonCox]
ack Makx
20:42:25 [AndreaPerego]
https://www.w3.org/2018/vocabws/
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ack AndreaPerego
20:43:29 [NicholasCar]
q+
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ack SimonCox
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q+
20:45:21 [SimonCox]
ack NicholasCar
20:45:39 [SimonCox]
NicholasCar: will be setting up register of common licenses
20:45:57 [SimonCox]
... will allow us to have confidence that there will be something for DCAT predicates to point to
20:46:38 [SimonCox]
SimonCox: so we can develop the predicates (use, access, obligations) in DCAT
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q?
20:47:27 [SimonCox]
makx: development of license details is outside scope of DCAT
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ack AndreaPerego
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q+
20:48:21 [NicholasCar]
AndreaPerego: we should make ODRL2 group aware of our interests since they are preparing a Dest Practice document
20:48:28 [NicholasCar]
s/Dest/Best/
20:49:14 [NicholasCar]
AndreaPerego: we can delegate relevant work to us to ODRL2 group
20:49:16 [SimonCox]
ack Jaroslav_Pullmann_
20:49:33 [NicholasCar]
AndreaPerego: we have or can do a similar delegation for data quality to DQV
20:49:37 [SimonCox]
AndreaPerego: delegate like we also do for data quality
20:49:45 [NicholasCar]
q?
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q+\
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q-\
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q+
20:50:56 [NicholasCar]
Jaroslav_Pullmann: we need to better cater for different clients (automated clients)
20:50:58 [SimonCox]
ack roba
20:51:35 [Makx]
q+
20:51:40 [SimonCox]
ack Makx
20:51:52 [NicholasCar]
roba: the concern seems to be the attachement point of dataset -> license, not license details
20:52:52 [NicholasCar]
Makx: licenses & rights out of scope for this group, agrees we need to know how to link to them, has laready stated you can use dct:LicenseDocument or odrl:Policy
20:53:12 [SimonCox]
q?
20:53:30 [alejandra]
+1 to Makx's comment
20:53:44 [NicholasCar]
q+
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ack NicholasCar
20:54:49 [SimonCox]
odrl:hasPolicy is the appropriate super-property, DCAT may need a taxonomy underneath that
20:55:07 [SimonCox]
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/104
20:55:22 [NicholasCar]
TOPIC: license domain
20:55:58 [NicholasCar]
SimonCox: we appear to have reached concensus
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q?
20:57:00 [NicholasCar]
Makx: (summarising) one SHOULD put it on Distribution, one MAY put it on Datasets but SHOULD NOT put it on Dataset and not Distribution and if there are multiple, there may be a conflict
20:57:41 [NicholasCar]
SimonCox: can close the issue when resulting changes have been made in doc & RDF
20:57:48 [AndreaPerego]
q+
20:58:03 [NicholasCar]
ACTION: Makx will try to do these changes via Pull Request
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20:58:23 [NicholasCar]
SimonCox: we (editors) will provides notes for this
20:58:40 [NicholasCar]
q?
20:59:50 [NicholasCar]
AndreaPerego: we will need to wait until after the FPWD to accept this PR - SimonCox agrees
21:00:05 [SimonCox]
proposed: close issue 104, when makx has completed action
21:00:07 [SimonCox]
+1
21:00:09 [AndreaPerego]
+1
21:00:10 [DaveBrowning]
+1
21:00:11 [NicholasCar]
+1
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+1
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+1
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RESOLVED: close issue 104, when makx has completed action
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+1
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ack AndreaPerego
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21:01:10 [Jaroslav_Pullmann_]
bye!
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present-
21:01:32 [NicholasCar]
thanks Andrea!
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present-
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21:01:53 [alejandra]
thanks, and bye!
21:02:03 [AndreaPerego]
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