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19:51:22 <SimonCox> meeting: DCAT team 2014-04-04
19:52:02 <SimonCox> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.04.04
19:52:10 <SimonCox> present+
19:52:17 <SimonCox> chair: SimonCox
19:52:31 <SimonCox> regrets: ArminHaller
19:52:48 <SimonCox> present?
19:53:04 <SimonCox> zakim: who is present?
19:53:12 <SimonCox> rrsagent: who is present?
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19:53:40 <SimonCox> zakim, who is present?
19:53:40 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, SimonCox.
19:53:49 <SimonCox> zakim, present?
19:53:49 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, SimonCox.
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20:01:33 <NicholasCar> present+
20:01:34 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present+
20:01:38 <roba> present+
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20:05:20 <SimonCox> scribenick: NicholasCar
20:05:29 <NicholasCar> scribe NicholasCar
20:05:51 <NicholasCar> TOPIC: confirm agenda
20:06:01 <SimonCox> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.04.04
20:06:14 <DaveBrowning> present+
20:06:58 <alejandra> could we maybe discuss the pending pull request: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/183 ?
20:08:38 <alejandra> ok, thanks
20:08:55 <alejandra> SimonCox: we can slot that topic in after we heard from Rob
20:09:05 <NicholasCar> TOPIC: confirm minutes for last week
20:09:08 <SimonCox> topic: confirm minutes
20:09:08 <SimonCox> https://www.w3.org/2018/03/28-dxwgdcat-minutes
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20:09:30 <alejandra> 0 (wasn't present)
20:09:33 <SimonCox> +1
20:09:34 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
20:09:37 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:09:38 <AndreaPerego> present+ AndreaPerego
20:09:39 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:09:51 <NicholasCar> +1
20:09:54 <roba> +0
20:10:11 <NicholasCar> RESOLVED: confirm munutes for last week
20:10:20 <NicholasCar> TOPIC: new chair required next week
20:10:49 <alejandra> I'm on leave and not sure if I will be able to join (depending on wifi availability)
20:11:07 <NicholasCar> I have nothing particular on
20:11:13 <roba> maybe skip next week?
20:11:17 <NicholasCar> no!
20:11:23 <NicholasCar> no!
20:11:38 <NicholasCar> ACTION: Simon to contact Peter to chair next week
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20:12:01 <NicholasCar> TOPIC: reminder about working spaces
20:12:34 <NicholasCar> SimonCox: please draft material in wiki spaces
20:12:54 <NicholasCar> SimonCox: collaboration process will be explained better soon (today)
20:13:04 <NicholasCar> TOPIC: RobA will report on profiles work
20:13:06 <SimonCox> q?
20:13:12 <NicholasCar> q+
20:13:42 <SimonCox> Please use https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/DCAT-Profiles-Topics
20:13:58 <NicholasCar> RobA: only a mall group, Reuben, Lars and him, mostly about HTTP headers
20:14:11 <roba> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/tree/roba-profile/dcat/rdf
20:14:40 <NicholasCar> RobA: has introduced a profile.ttl and profile_examples.ttl ontology and examples of profiling
20:15:25 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:15:48 <NicholasCar> SimonCox: suggests use of wiki to introduce profiles work not in RDF (accessible)
20:15:57 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, make logs world
20:16:00 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
20:16:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/04/04-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:16:57 <NicholasCar> q?
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20:17:06 <SimonCox> ack NicholasCar
20:17:33 <Makx> preent+ Makx
20:17:36 <alejandra> NicholasCar: first to say that the profiling work is important for W3C in general to address it
20:17:52 <alejandra> ... I propose to separate out from the DCAT work in its own module
20:18:05 <Makx> present+ Makx
20:18:07 <alejandra> ... I've written out a summary
20:18:27 <alejandra> ... I've sent it to kcoyle and she has sent me comments
20:18:52 <alejandra> ... I haven't read it in detail but she suggests that separating out could be done in the F2F
20:19:19 <alejandra> ... we've proposed a few profiles (e.g. DCAT 2014 as a profile of the revised DCAT)
20:19:38 <alejandra> ... three different implementations happening anyway
20:19:39 <roba> q+
20:19:52 <alejandra> ... RobA's ontology
20:20:08 <SimonCox> q?
20:20:11 <alejandra> ... I started to write up what is a profile and how to use it
20:20:14 <SimonCox> ack roba
20:20:38 <NicholasCar> (thanks for scribing Alejandra!)
20:20:56 <NicholasCar> RobA: profiling is metadata about profiling, not a methodology
20:21:10 <alejandra> is there a link to that ontology?
20:21:21 <NicholasCar> RobA: doesn't intend to replace a constraints language
20:21:24 <alejandra> is it in the branch you pointed out?
20:21:30 <SimonCox> q?
20:21:33 <NicholasCar> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/tree/roba-profile/dcat/rdf
20:21:44 <NicholasCar> link to obt above
20:21:50 <NicholasCar> s/obt/ont/
20:22:06 <NicholasCar> q+
20:22:11 <roba> i will put up a wiki page too
20:22:22 <NicholasCar> q-
20:22:36 <NicholasCar> I was going to suggest work on a wiki page as next step regardless
20:23:10 <NicholasCar> ACTION: RobA to extablish a profiles wiki page
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20:24:22 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:24:30 <NicholasCar> TOPIC: address outstanding pull request for ED
20:24:46 <SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/183
20:25:32 <NicholasCar> SimonCox: the pull adds in red boxes to the draft
20:25:35 <SimonCox> https://rawgit.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-catalog-scope-simon/dcat/index.html
20:26:43 <alejandra> +q
20:26:52 <SimonCox> ack alejandra
20:26:54 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +q
20:27:28 <NicholasCar> SimonCox: inclusions in document after issue, are these ok?
20:27:39 <SimonCox> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
20:27:49 <NicholasCar> alejandra: changes to text only and they are useful so should be ok
20:28:18 <AndreaPerego> I think that, formally, we need a resolution from the DCAT group, and after ask a vote (via mail) from the WG
20:28:23 <NicholasCar> Jaroslav_Pullmann: scope extension is significat, should be included
20:28:29 <SimonCox> Proposed: accept PR 183 for FPWD
20:28:40 <alejandra> +1
20:28:44 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:28:46 <NicholasCar> 0
20:28:49 <AndreaPerego> 0
20:28:50 <roba> 0
20:28:54 <SimonCox> +1
20:29:03 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
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20:29:23 <roba> * nick pass scribe baton to me when you wish...
20:29:31 <NicholasCar> RESOLUTION: accept PR 183 for FPWD
20:29:41 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:29:47 <NicholasCar> (fine rob, unless you really want to do this!)
20:29:54 <NicholasCar> TOPIC: license and rights
20:30:03 <roba> * not really :-) thanks
20:30:07 <SimonCox> domain https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/104 - MakxDekkers
20:30:11 <alejandra> +q
20:30:47 <alejandra> q-
20:31:27 <NicholasCar> ACTION: SimonCox to report pull req decision to Karen
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20:31:38 <SimonCox> Makx not on audio?
20:32:15 <SimonCox> do this first then: range https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/114 - NicholasCar
20:33:05 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:33:11 <alejandra> NicholasCar: I had promised to present to the group more thoughts and the outcome of having a relaxed range would be
20:33:34 <alejandra> ... I've looked at ODRL v2
20:33:58 <alejandra> ... no mention of licenses in ODRL v2 but my understanding is that would fall into Agreement
20:34:15 <alejandra> ... I've looked into common licenses and started to break them down into their parts
20:34:50 <alejandra> ... it makes sense to express licenses in ODRL v2 way
20:35:04 <SimonCox> q?
20:35:20 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:35:59 <alejandra> NicholasCar: I did a small extension of ODRL 2 to add License
20:36:13 <AndreaPerego> q+ to note POE WG publish BPs which include a section on how to represent standard licences - http://w3c.github.io/poe/bp/
20:36:26 <SimonCox> ack AndreaPerego
20:36:26 <Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to note POE WG publish BPs which include a section on how to represent standard licences - http://w3c.github.io/poe/bp/
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20:37:31 <alejandra> NicholasCar: I was thinkin on contacting ODRL people
20:37:39 <Jaroslav_Pullmann_> q+
20:37:40 <alejandra> s/thinkin/thinking
20:38:14 <SimonCox> (Renato Iannella is in Brisbane!)
20:38:24 <Jaroslav_Pullmann_> Andrea, do you have a link to the mentioned work of the ODRL group?
20:38:32 <AndreaPerego> http://w3c.github.io/poe/bp/
20:38:48 <Jaroslav_Pullmann_> thanks!
20:38:49 <SimonCox> q?
20:38:54 <SimonCox> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann_
20:38:59 <NicholasCar> SimonCox: this is a test of the completed ODRL2 work
20:39:31 <alejandra> Jaroslav_Pullmann_: what is the objective?
20:39:41 <alejandra> NicholasCar: allow a machine express a license
20:39:57 <alejandra> ... automatically surface certain message that people might need to agree to
20:40:02 <alejandra> ... restrict access to data
20:40:13 <Makx> q+
20:40:25 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:41:16 <SimonCox> q?
20:41:21 <SimonCox> q+
20:41:54 <NicholasCar> Jaroslav_Pullmann: will be meeting ODRL@ colleagues next week in Vienna
20:42:24 <SimonCox> ack Makx
20:42:25 <AndreaPerego> https://www.w3.org/2018/vocabws/
20:43:27 <SimonCox> ack AndreaPerego
20:43:29 <NicholasCar> q+
20:44:04 <SimonCox> ack SimonCox
20:44:43 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:45:21 <SimonCox> ack NicholasCar
20:45:39 <SimonCox> NicholasCar: will be setting up register of common licenses
20:45:57 <SimonCox> ... will allow us to have confidence that there will be something for DCAT predicates to point to
20:46:38 <SimonCox> SimonCox: so we can develop the predicates (use, access, obligations) in DCAT
20:46:49 <SimonCox> q?
20:47:27 <SimonCox> makx: development of license details is outside scope of DCAT
20:47:32 <SimonCox> ack AndreaPerego
20:47:33 <Jaroslav_Pullmann_> q+
20:48:21 <NicholasCar> AndreaPerego: we should make ODRL2 group aware of our interests since they are preparing a Dest Practice document
20:48:28 <NicholasCar> s/Dest/Best/
20:49:14 <NicholasCar> AndreaPerego: we can delegate relevant work to us to ODRL2 group
20:49:16 <SimonCox> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann_
20:49:33 <NicholasCar> AndreaPerego: we have or can do a similar delegation for data quality to DQV
20:49:37 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: delegate like we also do for data quality
20:49:45 <NicholasCar> q?
20:50:28 <roba> q+\
20:50:44 <roba> q-\
20:50:47 <roba> q+
20:50:56 <NicholasCar> Jaroslav_Pullmann: we need to better cater for different clients (automated clients)
20:50:58 <SimonCox> ack roba
20:51:35 <Makx> q+
20:51:40 <SimonCox> ack Makx
20:51:52 <NicholasCar> roba: the concern seems to be the attachement point of dataset -> license, not license details
20:52:52 <NicholasCar> Makx: licenses & rights out of scope for this group, agrees we need to know how to link to them, has laready stated you can use dct:LicenseDocument or odrl:Policy
20:53:12 <SimonCox> q?
20:53:30 <alejandra> +1 to Makx's comment
20:53:44 <NicholasCar> q+
20:54:00 <SimonCox> ack NicholasCar
20:54:49 <SimonCox> odrl:hasPolicy is the appropriate super-property, DCAT may need a taxonomy underneath that
20:55:07 <SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/104
20:55:22 <NicholasCar> TOPIC: license domain
20:55:58 <NicholasCar> SimonCox: we appear to have reached concensus
20:56:53 <SimonCox> q?
20:57:00 <NicholasCar> Makx: (summarising) one SHOULD put it on Distribution, one MAY put it on Datasets but SHOULD NOT put it on Dataset and not Distribution and if there are multiple, there may be a conflict
20:57:41 <NicholasCar> SimonCox: can close the issue when resulting changes have been made in doc & RDF
20:57:48 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:58:03 <NicholasCar> ACTION: Makx will try to do these changes via Pull Request
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20:58:23 <NicholasCar> SimonCox: we (editors) will provides notes for this
20:58:40 <NicholasCar> q?
20:59:50 <NicholasCar> AndreaPerego: we will need to wait until after the FPWD to accept this PR - SimonCox agrees
21:00:05 <SimonCox> proposed: close issue 104, when makx has completed action
21:00:07 <SimonCox> +1
21:00:09 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:00:10 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:00:11 <NicholasCar> +1
21:00:14 <Jaroslav_Pullmann_> +1
21:00:21 <Makx> +1
21:00:26 <NicholasCar> RESOLVED: close issue 104, when makx has completed action
21:00:28 <alejandra> +1
21:00:31 <SimonCox> ack AndreaPerego
21:01:07 <NicholasCar> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:01:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/04/04-dxwgdcat-minutes.html NicholasCar
21:01:10 <Jaroslav_Pullmann_> bye!
21:01:13 <Jaroslav_Pullmann_> present-
21:01:32 <NicholasCar> thanks Andrea!
21:01:35 <NicholasCar> present-
21:01:48 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:01:53 <alejandra> thanks, and bye!
21:02:03 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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