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19:59:01 <SimonCox> meeting: dcat team 2018-03-28
19:59:44 <SimonCox> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.03.28
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20:02:36 <NicholasCar> scribe: NicholasCar
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20:02:45 <SimonCox> thanks NicholasCar
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20:03:05 <NicholasCar> chair: SimonCox
20:03:15 <SimonCox> Topic: confirm agenda
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20:03:34 <SimonCox> regrets: Alejandra
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20:05:55 <SimonCox> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:DCAT-Telecon2018.03.28
20:07:21 <SimonCox> q?
20:07:39 <SimonCox> topic: approve minutes of last meeting
20:07:49 <SimonCox> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2018Mar/0342.html
20:07:50 <NicholasCar> agenda confirmed
20:08:25 <arminhaller> +1
20:08:27 <SimonCox> +1
20:08:30 <NicholasCar> +1
20:08:31 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> +1
20:08:35 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:08:43 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> 0 (absent last time)
20:08:43 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:08:50 <PWinstanley> 0 not there
20:09:09 <SimonCox> Topic: DCAT rec FPWD
20:09:13 <NicholasCar> resolution: agenda confirmed
20:09:31 <SimonCox>  https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/
20:09:42 <NicholasCar> SimonCox: FPWD due asap
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20:10:12 <NicholasCar> SimonCox: FPWD is DCAT 1.0 plus a lot of places for potential change marked
20:10:23 <SimonCox> q?
20:11:01 <SimonCox> Proposed: the DCAT Team recommend that the DXWG release the Editors Draft of the revised DCAT Recommendation as FPWD
20:11:08 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:11:14 <SimonCox> ack AndreaPerego
20:12:18 <NicholasCar> AndreaPerego raised the issue of a missing changelog
20:12:36 <NicholasCar> SimonCox thinks one could be added
20:13:01 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
20:13:30 <SimonCox> Friendly amendment from AndreaPerego
20:14:00 <SimonCox> Proposed: the DCAT Team recommend that the DXWG release the Editors Draft of the revised DCAT Recommendation as FPWD, with changelog added as an Annex
20:14:11 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:14:16 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:14:32 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> q+ on process (https://www.w3.org/2018/Process-20180201/#first-wd)
20:14:32 <AndreaPerego> action: AndreaPerego to complete DCAT changelog
20:14:32 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
20:14:33 <NicholasCar> +1
20:14:34 <SimonCox> +1
20:14:41 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:14:58 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
20:15:04 <NicholasCar> trackbot, start telcon
20:15:04 <trackbot> Sorry, but no Tracker is associated with this channel.
20:15:30 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> +1
20:15:48 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:15:56 <PWinstanley> +1
20:15:58 <arminhaller> +1
20:16:24 <SimonCox> Topic: DCAT Topics
20:16:35 <AndreaPerego> Resolved: the DCAT Team recommend that the DXWG release the Editors Draft of the revised DCAT Recommendation as FPWD, with changelog added as an Annex
20:17:18 <SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/milestones
20:17:29 <NicholasCar> (thanks Andres, trying to work out commands)
20:17:35 <SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/DCAT-Vocabulary-topics
20:18:41 <SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/Application-profiles
20:19:10 <SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/Data-service
20:19:22 <SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/Data-aspects---semantics
20:20:46 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> How would thos  wiki pages turn / relate to specification?
20:20:52 <SimonCox> Topic: DCAT Modules
20:21:02 <SimonCox> q?
20:21:11 <SimonCox> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
20:21:53 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, make logs world
20:22:03 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
20:22:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/03/28-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:23:06 <arminhaller> also pull request can then be delayed to be accepted until after the vote
20:24:18 <SimonCox> q?
20:24:22 <SimonCox> ack Stijn_Goedertier_AIV
20:24:22 <Zakim> Stijn_Goedertier_AIV, you wanted to comment on process (https://www.w3.org/2018/Process-20180201/#first-wd)
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20:24:49 <NicholasCar> q?
20:25:17 <SimonCox> Topic: DCAT Modules
20:26:37 <SimonCox> q?
20:26:48 <SimonCox> topic: scope of DCAT
20:27:57 <SimonCox> q?
20:28:06 <NicholasCar> q+
20:28:10 <DaveBrowning> q+
20:28:12 <SimonCox> ack NicholasCar
20:28:24 <SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/172
20:28:47 <SimonCox> ack DaveBrowning
20:29:25 <NicholasCar> q+
20:29:32 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
20:29:39 <AndreaPerego> q+ to note that is probably more about the scope of dcat:Catalog, and only in a second stage about DCAT as a whole
20:29:47 <SimonCox> ack NicholasCar
20:30:33 <SimonCox> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
20:30:38 <PWinstanley_> +1 to Nic's comment - increasingly the public sector space will have digital service endpoints
20:31:40 <NicholasCar> NicholasCar suggested that a better DCAT service handling will allow joining DCAT information to other ontology's information that deal with services and systems
20:31:51 <SimonCox> ack AndreaPerego
20:31:51 <Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to note that is probably more about the scope of dcat:Catalog, and only in a second stage about DCAT as a whole
20:31:55 <SimonCox> q?
20:34:46 <NicholasCar> AndreaPerego draws the distinction between things in a Catalogu (perhaps we should allow not just Dataset) and Services better described as a Distribution to access Datasets
20:34:59 <NicholasCar> s/Catalogu/Catalog/
20:35:06 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to address the issues separately ;)
20:35:10 <SimonCox> q?
20:36:13 <NicholasCar> +1 to progress in the steps SimonCox outlined
20:36:34 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
20:36:39 <SimonCox> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
20:37:10 <NicholasCar> AndreaPerego highlighted the difficulty of coordinating all the issues
20:38:30 <SimonCox> Proposed: DCAT Catalogs may include data distribution services
20:38:59 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> +1
20:39:03 <SimonCox> +1
20:39:04 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
20:39:07 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:39:09 <arminhaller> +1
20:39:11 <PWinstanley_> +1
20:39:13 <NicholasCar> +1
20:39:25 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:39:55 <SimonCox> AndreaPerego: +1 verbally
20:39:55 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
20:40:19 <SimonCox> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
20:40:42 <NicholasCar> RESOLVED: DCAT Catalogs may include data distribution services
20:41:09 <SimonCox> q+
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20:42:50 <NicholasCar> TOPIC: service classification
20:43:17 <NicholasCar> SimonCox describes previous instances of vocabularies for service classification
20:43:53 <SimonCox> https://inspire.ec.europa.eu/metadata-codelist/SpatialDataServiceType
20:44:06 <SimonCox> q?
20:44:10 <SimonCox> ack SimonCox
20:44:42 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> This is an example of an INSPIRE download service metadata record: http://catalog.inspire.geoportail.lu/geonetwork/srv/eng/catalog.search#/metadata/34646802-4538-4fbf-8c21-bff4aae0fc38
20:44:57 <AndreaPerego> Geocat list of URIs for protocols: https://github.com/GeoCat/Cat-Interop/blob/master/LinkPropertyLookupTable.csv
20:47:25 <SimonCox> Proposed: DCAT Catalogs may include other services, which may be classified by type
20:47:57 <AndreaPerego> INSPIRE service type classification (based on ISO 19115:2003): http://inspire.ec.europa.eu/metadata-codelist/SpatialDataServiceType
20:48:11 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> definitely, +1
20:48:11 <SimonCox> +1
20:48:16 <NicholasCar> +1
20:48:20 <DaveBrowning>  +1
20:48:20 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:48:24 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:48:25 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> +1
20:48:30 <arminhaller> +1
20:48:34 <NicholasCar> resolved: DCAT Catalogs may include other services, which may be classified by type
20:48:35 <PWinstanley_> +1
20:48:49 <SimonCox> Proposed: DCAT Catalogs may include data catalogs
20:49:11 <PWinstanley_> +1
20:49:20 <SimonCox> +1
20:49:25 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> +1
20:49:28 <NicholasCar> +1 - this is very useful for manageable Linked Data
20:49:31 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> is the term "include" broad enough? ... "related"?
20:49:32 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:49:33 <PWinstanley_> (I think this was included in the EC DCAT-AP1.1 update
20:49:34 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:49:43 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1
20:49:47 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
20:49:47 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:50:03 <PWinstanley_> q?
20:50:03 <NicholasCar> resolved: DCAT Catalogs may include data catalogs
20:50:22 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
20:50:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/03/28-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:51:09 <SimonCox> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/Cataloguing-data-services
20:52:43 <NicholasCar> q?
20:53:14 <NicholasCar> SimonCox has described the suggestions made in https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/wiki/Cataloguing-data-services
20:53:29 <SimonCox> ack Jaroslav_Pullmann
20:54:36 <NicholasCar> Jaroslav_Pullmann raised the nature of one catalogue "including" another
20:56:37 <SimonCox> q?
20:56:47 <NicholasCar> SimonCox discussed use of dctype:Service v. delcaring a new DCAT class of Service
20:56:48 <SimonCox> Proposed: Description of data services in DCAT Catalogs shall use a class defined for DCAT
20:57:19 <NicholasCar> +1
20:57:22 <AndreaPerego> Need to think a bit more about this...
20:57:26 <SimonCox> q?
20:57:32 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> +1, really supporting the separation of "distribution" and "delivery"
20:57:33 <AndreaPerego> Sorry.
20:57:43 <SimonCox> +1
20:57:52 <PWinstanley_> +1
20:58:02 <NicholasCar> ...as long as wel make the mapping to dctype:Service explict I can't see the harm
20:58:11 <DaveBrowning> +1, (if I understand correctly)
20:58:14 <arminhaller> +1
20:58:20 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> +1
20:58:32 <NicholasCar> resolved: Description of data services in DCAT Catalogs shall use a class defined for DCAT
20:58:33 <AndreaPerego> 0
20:58:43 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> q+
20:59:07 <NicholasCar> rrsagent, generate minutes
20:59:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/03/28-dxwgdcat-minutes.html NicholasCar
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20:59:19 <NicholasCar> present-
20:59:22 <Stijn_Goedertier_AIV> thanks all
20:59:24 <Jaroslav_Pullmann> present-
20:59:26 <riccardoAlbertoni> bye all..
20:59:37 <PWinstanley_> bye
20:59:41 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
20:59:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2018/03/28-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
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